Is there anything currently better then amare?

[Nugachino]

(Sunlight)

 

[BM9AGS]

You erase them cuz they're shit and you can't stand leaving up crummy calling cards? Seems a logical rationale.

Yes I'm calling you a shill, based on nothing more than the last 15 pages of you suckling Amare cock in this very thread... while carefully cleaning up every shred of evidence.

Monica Lewinsky would be proud.

Where's your advertiser badge, suck boy? Or are you still going to try to convince us you aren't on the payroll?

You sir should be a detective because you nailed it on the head.....even tho a common passer by should see it

 

[PetFlora]

I have a few things to say here... I guess this will be mainly aimed at OP and other newbies who might come across this thread. I don't post very often, but i read a lot, and I've been around RIU for a couple of years now. I see so many people here whining about the harsh language of others, when companies producing grow lights are being questioned. Well, let me tell you, I learned more about grow lights in all of their aspects in a damn week, by critically reading posts here from some of the most vocal opponents, of what i thought was leading led companies, than i did by researching on my own for months. It was a jungle to navigate in 2 years ago, and it's even worse now with more options on the market. So much false advertising... If you're new to all this, it's just overwhelming. The thing that people should realize, is that the users here on RIU are basically the only ones who consequently expose bullshit advertising, false claims and the likes. Sometimes that comes off a tad harsh, but hey, thank you, thank you, thank you!!! You guys have saved me a shitload of money i could and would have wasted on overpriced and outdated led tech. I have never seen continuous bashing of a company here that didn't deserve it one way or another.
@Hybridway : for the most part you seem to come off as decent guy, certainly a better grower than myself, lol. However, with slight exaggeration, just about every thread you have ever posted in, Amare somehow gets mentioned... If the owner is your friend, employer, lover, or whatever, and you want to promote the lights, i think that's cool with everyone here, as long as you're upfront with it!! This forum forces honesty, which is exactly what i love about it.
Sorry for the long rant

what came first the chicken or the egg?

I am the first to do grow threads with Amare lights, going back to June 2014. And even though I posted weekly pic updates, the jackals and haters (who had their own click and/or agendas- still do) were relentless. I was even threatened with exposure if I posted again, so I stayed away for a year. Looks like that person's karma has come home to roost

Anyway, when people do that, if you don't defend yourself, assuming the product is good, which Amare was and has only gotten better, then those looking for help choosing what to buy, are left thinking the haters are correct

In truth, Amare is as good as any DIY CoB (more complete than most), only it comes fully assembled with a terrific warranty. For many, including myself, I am willing to pay extra for the peace of mind. And as I have said before, the difference in price is only 7-14gms tops @ $10-15/g. Considering how long the light will last, IMO negligible

 

[Snaddehat]

what came first the chicken or the egg?

The Rooster

 

[Snaddehat]

what came first the chicken or the egg?

I am the first to do grow threads with Amare lights, going back to June 2014. And even though I posted weekly pic updates, the jackals and haters (who had their own click and/or agendas- still do) were relentless. I was even threatened with exposure if I posted again, so I stayed away for a year. Looks like that person's karma has come home to roost

Anyway, when people do that, if you don't defend yourself, assuming the product is good, which Amare was and has only gotten better, then those looking for help choosing what to buy, are left thinking the haters are correct

In truth, Amare is as good as any DIY CoB (more complete than most), only it comes fully assembled with a terrific warranty. For many, including myself, I am willing to pay extra for the peace of mind. And as I have said before, the difference in price is only 7-14gms tops @ $10-15/g. Considering how long the light will last, IMO negligible

I think you're right with regards to hateful posts. That's what i meant by reading critically. If people spend a little time and effort, I think it's easy to see who contributes to the community by asking valid questions, testing tech etc. and who doesn't. I've always been taught: Gather as much information as possible, from as many sources as possible, and then make up your own mind. Oh, and a wise man once told me: Always remember, when you point your finger, there's 3 fingers pointing back hehe

 

[monkeychief]

Amare must be doing something right to be hated on to a point of reaching for straws now. Sad really. They introduced the first Cree cob light and an enhanced 95cri cob spectrum back in 2014 when NONE of the current cob companies were even around. There seems to be a serious lack of integrity and respect for the truth here and a company must be in the RIU clique to be accepted regardless. Great business model and ethics for the resident vendors, but bad for those who are seeking the truth.

 

[Rahz]

2 T4-V725s = 600w lamp, pre-built for $1340 plus shipping...

If you slow down a bit and read what you quoted you will see i stated I did not use the same number of COB's.

8 3590's 140mm pin heat sinks Khatod lenses and two mean well 320-2100b drivers. Add less than $100 for angled aluminum wires etc and you're no where near the timber price.

$1349 from timber .............

If one were to go with citizen or vero the diy cost comes down even more.

 

[ThaiBaby1]

Amare must be doing something right to be hated on to a point of reaching for straws now. Sad really. They introduced the first Cree cob light and an enhanced 95cri cob spectrum back in 2014 when NONE of the current cob companies were even around. There seems to be a serious lack of integrity and respect for the truth here and a company must be in the RIU clique to be accepted regardless. Great business model and ethics for the resident vendors, but bad for those who are seeking the truth.

so why are they still using CXB3070's?

 

[BM9AGS]

so why are they still using CXB3070's?

Highest profit margin! Duh

 

[Danielson999]

Amare must be doing something right to be hated on to a point of reaching for straws now. Sad really. They introduced the first Cree cob light and an enhanced 95cri cob spectrum back in 2014 when NONE of the current cob companies were even around. There seems to be a serious lack of integrity and respect for the truth here and a company must be in the RIU clique to be accepted regardless. Great business model and ethics for the resident vendors, but bad for those who are seeking the truth.

I think it has about 2% to do with Amare (no address/phone number on website type of stuff) and 98% to do with a certain person on RIU who gets paid in Amare product to promote their lights. He's gone into their threads and called the small cob companies liars and thieves. He shamelessly tells people Amare is superior and will grow more weed. The list of his atrocities runs deep and you will see that the vast majority of hatred towards Amare is actually directed at this particular person. I can say for myself that I have never said anything about Amare until I repeatedly watched this person ruin other threads on a daily basis. Disrespecting DIY community members who have given so much of their time and effort to others for virtually nothing in return most times.
I have nothing against Amare but they should get their website updated with a physical address and phone number to add some credibility. I think they grow plants on par with other lights and for those who want the enhanced spectrum and have some extra money sitting around I see no other reason not to get them. Heck, I have gen 6 Vero's and they grow just fine, they just cost a tad more to run than newer cobs, no biggie.

 

[monkeychief]

so why are they still using CXB3070's?

They have 3590 models too and besides, he's always up to something.

Interesting how other RIU clique approved companies still offer 3070, but are not scrutinized for it such as GoGreen and Johnson's who just recently switched to the Citizens.

I think it has about 2% to do with Amare (no address/phone number on website type of stuff) and 98% to do with a certain person on RIU who gets paid in Amare product to promote their lights. He's gone into their threads and called the small cob companies liars and thieves. He shamelessly tells people Amare is superior and will grow more weed. The list of his atrocities runs deep and you will see that the vast majority of hatred towards Amare is actually directed at this particular person. I can say for myself that I have never said anything about Amare until I repeatedly watched this person ruin other threads on a daily basis. Disrespecting DIY community members who have given so much of their time and effort to others for virtually nothing in return most times.
I have nothing against Amare but they should get their website updated with a physical address and phone number to add some credibility. I think they grow plants on par with other lights and for those who want the enhanced spectrum and have some extra money sitting around I see no other reason not to get them. Heck, I have gen 6 Vero's and they grow just fine, they just cost a tad more to run than newer cobs, no biggie.

Pointed taken, but there are no saints here on RIU and the same can be said about many here. This is no reason to demonize and discredit a company and it's growers, especially when the results speak for itself. Amare is like the DE of LED and straight COBs are HPS. To his/her and everything in between their own and good luck.

 

[Nenno44]

Amare is like the DE of LED and straight COBs are HPS.

silly

 

[Chronikool]

The Rooster

Probably the most relevant post on this thread...

 

[Stephenj37826]

They have 3590 models too and besides, he's always up to something.

Interesting how other RIU clique approved companies still offer 3070, but are not scrutinized for it such as GoGreen and Johnson's who just recently switched to the Citizens.



Pointed taken, but there are no saints here on RIU and the same can be said about many here. This is no reason to demonize and discredit a company and it's growers, especially when the results speak for itself. Amare is like the DE of LED and straight COBs are HPS. To his/her and everything in between their own and good luck.

See the difference is though is I don't have a REP going in every thread in this section telling everyone how much better our light is than any other light.

Who ever said that 3590s are better than 3070 anyways? It all has to do with how hard they are driven. I can build a cxb2540 light that will be more efficient than any light commercially available. Does that make cxb2540 better than cxb3590 no. A 3590 @75 watts is no better than a 3070 @50 watts. So again A closer look is always the best idea. That is why knowing what driver current is so valuable. 3590s at 50 watts will be slightly over 2 umol/j if actively cooled. If they are ran at 100 watts that number falls 20% to ~1.6 umol/j. A cxb3070 is roughly 1.8 umol/j actively cooled @50 watts.....

Do you know why it seems my company is approved here? (It's really not actually) I'm approved here. Note that I (A) actually take the time to help other with thier DIY builds. Do I sell DIY cobs? Nope so what do I gain? I pointed out one discrepancy with a testing method and it was hell from then on.


All that said I still stand by what I've always said about Amare they make a fine light. Is it light years ahead of other top tier products? NO!!!!! Is it a good value? Sure to me 100-200 dollars doesn't sway me in either direction. If I liked adding monos and I felt it added 5% that's what I'd buy. If I didn't though I wouldn't.

 

[ThaiBaby1]

See the difference is though is I don't have a REP going in every thread in this section telling everyone how much better our light is than any other light.

Who ever said that 3590s are better than 3070 anyways? It all has to do with how hard they are driven. I can build a cxb2540 light that will be more efficient than any light commercially available. Does that make cxb2540 better than cxb3590 no. A 3590 @75 watts is no better than a 3070 @50 watts. So again A closer look is always the best idea. That is why knowing what driver current is so valuable. 3590s at 50 watts will be slightly over 2 umol/j if actively cooled. If they are ran at 100 watts that number falls 20% to ~1.6 umol/j. A cxb3070 is roughly 1.8 umol/j actively cooled @50 watts.....

Do you know why it seems my company is approved here? (It's really not actually) I'm approved here. Note that I (A) actually take the time to help other with thier DIY builds. Do I sell DIY cobs? Nope so what do I gain? I pointed out one discrepancy with a testing method and it was hell from then on.


All that said I still stand by what I've always said about Amare they make a fine light. Is it light years ahead of other to tier products? NO!!!!! Is it a good value? Sure to me 100-200 dollars doesn't sway me in either direction. If I liked adding monos and I felt it added 5% that's what I'd buy. If I didn't though I wouldn't.

Not to stir the crap up more , but do you personally think the addition of mono's are worth it?

 

[Stephenj37826]

Not to stir the crap up more , but do you personally think the addition of mono's are worth it?

I have not seen scientific evidence saying either way. I guess I tossed around the idea of adding monos a while but still stand by my belief that a fixed spectrum is better for most (intermediate) growers. Spectral efficiency of a 3000k cob is pretty darn good. I would make my decision on overall efficiency more than spectrum I suppose. As stated I think mixing the two is worth 5% if the efficiency is equal.

 

[monkeychief]

See the difference is though is I don't have a REP going in every thread in this section telling everyone how much better our light is than any other light.

Who ever said that 3590s are better than 3070 anyways? It all has to do with how hard they are driven. I can build a cxb2540 light that will be more efficient than any light commercially available. Does that make cxb2540 better than cxb3590 no. A 3590 @75 watts is no better than a 3070 @50 watts. So again A closer look is always the best idea. That is why knowing what driver current is so valuable. 3590s at 50 watts will be slightly over 2 umol/j if actively cooled. If they are ran at 100 watts that number falls 20% to ~1.6 umol/j. A cxb3070 is roughly 1.8 umol/j actively cooled @50 watts.....

Do you know why it seems my company is approved here? (It's really not actually) I'm approved here. Note that I (A) actually take the time to help other with thier DIY builds. Do I sell DIY cobs? Nope so what do I gain? I pointed out one discrepancy with a testing method and it was hell from then on.


All that said I still stand by what I've always said about Amare they make a fine light. Is it light years ahead of other to tier products? NO!!!!! Is it a good value? Sure to me 100-200 dollars doesn't sway me in either direction. If I liked adding monos and I felt it added 5% that's what I'd buy. If I didn't though I wouldn't.

My respect, one of few on here that actually knows the facts.

 

[monkeychief]

silly

The SE450 mono's a 6500k based spectrum at 168w and the 3000k cobs are @300w. Not that silly.

 

[Nenno44]

So if I took 300w of cobs and attached it to a mars 300 I would have a sweet light and it would be the de hps of leds?

 

[PetFlora]

so why are they still using CXB3070's?

AFAIK, 3070s are simply smaller versions of 3590s. Seems they would work better in low tents, or when more even coverage is desired, minimizing extreme hot spots. Anybody?