Official 'FUCK THE POLICE' Thread. (Examples of Police Brutality)

[whitebb2727]

I'm not calling for removal of arms for police. I also understand the need for ar15 and such for police. I understand it is a hard job. I understand all this but there has to be more accountability and punishment for violating civil rights.

 

[ttystikk]

But that is not the point being argued! Police can ONLY get military hardware via the 1033 program. Mere "mil spec" is a separate issue, and imo it clouds the main argument that was raised some pages back.

It's the point I'M arguing.

You can make up any argument you want; the truth is that police are more heavily armed than ever before, they abuse the civil rights of more people than ever before- and here you are arguing semantics.

Fascist.

Bobbin is a sewing machine part.

Bobby is a given name, and a nickname for British police officers.

If my text recognition program gets it wrong, de nada. Your excuses still fall flatter than a turd on the altar.

 

[ovo]

You're a closet fascist, aren't you? You're fine with ignoring the civil rights of American citizens

 

[ttystikk]

I'm not calling for removal of arms for police. I also understand the need for ar15 and such for police. I understand it is a hard job. I understand all this but there has to be more accountability and punishment for violating civil rights.

I don't think police have any need for fully automatic weapons.

AGREED that police need to be held far more accountable than they are, and I believe that buck stops at the DA's office.

 

[whitebb2727]

But that is not the point being argued! Police can ONLY get military hardware via the 1033 program. Mere "mil spec" is a separate issue, and imo it clouds the main argument that was raised some pages back.

It was pointed out that military weaponry was not bought and the 1033 was brought up. That is fine and dandy. I agree they receive military stuff that way. They also buy it. Ok, maybe they don't buy actual serialized equipment. They do in fact buy the same type equipment that functions identical to military counter part. In every way. They also buy military equipment. The armored vehicle built by the shop I listed was a armored vehicle capable of launching grenades and had other serious hardware. It was a British military vehicle if I remember correct.

What do they need all this shit for? I understand the need for a swat unit but come on.

 

[whitebb2727]

I don't think police have any need for fully automatic weapons.

AGREED that police need to be held far more accountable than they are, and I believe that buck stops at the DA's office.

Not every cop but there is a need for few. I would also agree that most the ar15 that cops get should be semi auto. The only function for a full auto is fire superiority. If that is a problem call in the national guard.

 

[ttystikk]

Not every cop but there is a need for few. I would also agree that most the ar15 that cops get should be semi auto. The only function for a full auto is fire superiority. If that is a problem call in the national guard.

Perhaps a few- who are held fully accountable for anything they do with such weaponry in the presence of civilians- to include threats and brandishing.

 

[ttystikk]

Go suck more cop dick; /quote] Fuck you.

Now THERE'S a real winning argument, cop sucker.

 

[cannabineer]

Okay, genius- enlighten us as to the FUNCTIONAL DIFFERENCES between 'military' and 'mil spec'.

I did. The key word is "serialization".

Different numbers stamped on the same frame, as much different as an Olds Bravada was from a Chevy Blazer. It's a cosmetic difference and your pathetic attempts to point out differences only serve to expose where your real loyalties lie.

Do they? How? Does it show that I prefer a true fact to a convenient one? (Compare and contrast with your demagoguery.)

You're a closet fascist, aren't you? You're fine with ignoring the civil rights of American citizens, aren't you?

If you can find me saying so on this site, have at it. Bring the reference. Until then, liar liar. I neither said not espouse what you charge here.

Just admit it. You'll feel better.

Oh, that is venal bobbin word cleverness, isn't it? It is not very effective.

 

[ttystikk]

I did. The key word is "serialization". Do they? How? Does it show that I prefer a true fact to a convenient one? (Compare and contrast with your demagoguery.) If you can find me saying so on this site, have at it. Bring the reference. Until then, liar liar. I neither said not espouse what you charge here. Oh, that is venal bobbin word cleverness, isn't it? It is not very effective.

That's not a functional difference. No one's checking serial numbers in a firefight, stupid. If it fires the same ammo to the same effect, it's the same. Capice?

Clever enough- you caught it, didn't you?

I don't have to hear you actually mouth the words, 'I'm a fascist!' to know you'd happily go along with it. The rest of your drivel suffices plenty well enough, a does the lack of any kind of denial.

 

[cannabineer]

It was pointed out that military weaponry was not bought and the 1033 was brought up. That is fine and dandy. I agree they receive military stuff that way. They also buy it. Ok, maybe they don't buy actual serialized equipment. They do in fact buy the same type equipment that functions identical to military counter part. In every way. They also buy military equipment. The armored vehicle built by the shop I listed was a armored vehicle capable of launching grenades and had other serious hardware. It was a British military vehicle if I remember correct.

What do they need all this shit for? I understand the need for a swat unit but come on.

If it wasn't serialized, it never was military. "Military style" is something else. They cannot purchase military equipment; Federal equipment grants are the one mechanism of which I know by which military gear gets into departmental inventory.

As for why they need it, there is a real de facto arms race between the police and criminals, esp. the organized criminals running the usual city rackets. They have some serious hardware. I think SWAT should get what they need to prosecute their war. If we want to change police policies, the one place to do it is the legislature. They implement what legislators decide.

 

[cannabineer]

That's not a functional difference. No one's checking serial numbers in a firefight, stupid. If it fires the same ammo to the same effect, it's the same. Capice?

Clever enough- you caught it, didn't you?

I don't have to hear you actually mouth the words, 'I'm a fascist!' to know you'd happily go along with it. The rest of your drivel suffices plenty well enough, a does the lack of any kind of denial.

I denied it above. You have advanced to full-on blatant dishonesty. Shame on you for accusing a valuable and informed member of blatant dishonesty and then showing nothing to back it up. And then descending into your own construction of plain lies!

as for mil spec vs. mil ... I will continue the discussion with whitebb. I think he is wrong, but I do not think he is being either dishonest or confrontational. He is bringing more adult behavior than you have been willing to bring.

 

[ttystikk]

I denied it above. You have advanced to full-on blatant dishonesty. Shame on you for accusing a valuable and informed member of blatant dishonesty and then showing nothing to back it up. And then descending into your own construction of plain lies!

as for mil spec vs. mil ... I will continue the discussion with whitebb. I think he is wrong, but I do not think he is being either dishonest or confrontational. He is bringing more adult behavior than you have been willing to bring.

I saw no such denials. Prove it.
Have a nice day, cop sucker.

 

[cannabineer]

I saw no such denials. Prove it.
Have a nice day, cop sucker.

Post 466. It must feel amazingly bad to be so easily exposed in your dishonesty. Here is the part you neglected to read.

If you can find me saying so on this site, have at it. Bring the reference. Until then, liar liar. I neither said not espouse what you charge here.

 

[ttystikk]

Post 466. It must feel amazingly bad to be so easily exposed in your dishonesty. Here is the part you neglected to read.

Post #466 isn't even yours, copsucker;


Thanks for playing.

 

[cannabineer]

Post #466 isn't even yours, copsucker;
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Thanks for playing.

You are correct; it was post 469.

The quoted is in there.

And it displays your dishonesty.

Here it is, since you neglected to read it again.

If you can find me saying so on this site, have at it. Bring the reference. Until then, liar liar. I neither said not espouse what you charge here.

I write an extra sentence to make sure you are not confused by my sig space.

 

[ttystikk]

I neither said not espouse what you charge here.

Oh, this? That's pretty weak sauce for a denial, fuzz lipper.

You've spent the rest of your day here apologizing for abusive cops and playing semantic games about military hardware and its proliferation into police departments nationwide.

And complaining about the occasional misspelling, can't forget that!

 

[cannabineer]

Oh, this? That's pretty weak sauce for a denial, fuzz lipper.

It is true, which distinguishes it from your claims.

I have not once espoused or otherwise recommended fascism. You must contort in order to bring that accusation. Its being baseless does not mean anything to you. If there were one single instance, you'd have it in your sig. The fact that you don't is revealing.

 

[whitebb2727]

I denied it above. You have advanced to full-on blatant dishonesty. Shame on you for accusing a valuable and informed member of blatant dishonesty and then showing nothing to back it up. And then descending into your own construction of plain lies!

as for mil spec vs. mil ... I will continue the discussion with whitebb. I think he is wrong, but I do not think he is being either dishonest or confrontational. He is bringing more adult behavior than you have been willing to bring.

I consider mil-spec to be the same as its actual military counterpart. It means it will stand up to the requirement of the military for said part. In my mind there is no difference.

I leave it at this. I see a need for police. I still don't like them. Seen too much shady shit with my own eyes to think otherwise.

 

[cannabineer]

I consider mil-spec to be the same as its actual military counterpart. It means it will stand up to the requirement of the military for said part. In my mind there is no difference.

I leave it at this. I see a need for police. I still don't like them. Seen too much shady shit with my own eyes to think otherwise.

I think the difference is central to programs like 1033. I see value in distinguishing between "military, entered into system" and "military lookalike".

I do not like the "militarization" trend for police either. It blurs the line between soldier and policeman. It isn't good for our republic when "spot the civilian" becomes difficult.
I also see a need for police. I wish they were limited to the same sort of gear I can purchase legally within my state. But that is a personal selfish argument. I want some of the toys too.