Male Flowers.. Again?!?!

[JohnCee]

I picked up this clone called permafrost and had no issues growing it the first run, up until about 30 days into flower when I accidentally caused some heat stress and let my dwc run completely dry for a day in high temps (the roots were steaming, lol). This caused this clone to hermie (or so I think), and I did not catch it and let it run. It was probably a week or two away from harvest when I realized this and pulled it out of the room in and attempt to save the other ladies in the room.

I finished all of that batch and I just started my next flowering run, and it's 26 days into flowering and I'm hit with what appears to be another hermie plant... using the same cutting of that strain from before. Now, I'm wondering if I did not clean my rooms well enough (used a bleach based spray cleaner), or if it's just genetics, but the buds frost up wonderfully and I want to try this so bad, but I can't stop the hermie.

I'm likely getting ready to glove up and trash this one, scrub the room again, and throw in a different strain to test if it's the genetics or the room.

Thoughts?

 

[KryptoBud]

That's a hermie without a doubt. Put trash bag over it when you move it, the sack are popping open already. I'd consider finding a new source for clones.

 

[JohnCee]

That's a hermie without a doubt. Put trash bag over it when you move it, the sack are popping open already. I'd consider finding a new source for clones.

So it's nothing that I did to cause this? I was just wondering if maybe I didn't clean my room good enough from the last pollinated harvest. I have probably 20 feet of actual ventilation ducting, and under my reflectors that I didn't clean, could that have caused this run to pollinate? I had a different strain in the same room during the pollination outbreak, and that had nanners.. so I know there use to be lurking pollen.

I guess the only way to say for sure is to run a different strain, right?

 

[Odin*]

... I was just wondering if maybe I didn't clean my room good enough from the last pollinated harvest. ... I had a different strain in the same room during the pollination outbreak, and that had nanners.. so I know there use to be lurking pollen.

Pollen doesn't cause your girls to go bananas, pollen causes them to seed. The bananas toss the pollen.

You had a different strain that had bananas at the same time as the "Permafrost"? If so, it sounds like there is something in your environment/nutrient regimen that is causing them to go tranny.


How many tranny-free runs do you have with your current setup?

 

[orangeade5]

Check for light leaks

 

[Kingrow1]

A strain called permafrost strikes me as something that is quite intolerable to heat!!!!!!!!!

 

[JohnCee]

Pollen doesn't cause your girls to go bananas, pollen causes them to seed. The bananas toss the pollen.

You had a different strain that had bananas at the same time as the "Permafrost"? If so, it sounds like there is something in your environment/nutrient regimen that is causing them to go tranny.

How many tranny-free runs do you have with your current setup?

I had this other strain, Ripped Bubba, finishing up 2-3 weeks before Permafrost, but as I mentioned before I wasn't really paying attention to the Permafrost as all the sacks were developing/opening. When I realized how bad the Permafrost had gotten, the Ripped Bubba was just starting to finish up, I chopped the Ripped Bubba and it wasn't until trimming when I noticed that it had started developing nanners and tiny immature seeds. Once I seen this I chopped the Permafrost because it still had 2-3 weeks left, cleaned my entire room with a bleach based spray (minus the small areas like hoods/reflectors/cords/ventilation ducting), which took a good three days to actually air the fumes out.

In my adjoining 4'x4' vegetation room I had another Permafrost waiting to go, so I tossed that in the flowering room and within 26 days of flowering (my current run) I had noticed male flowers. Before running the first Permafrost I had successfully completed many runs without any kind of hermaphroditing. I'm running in a completely light-leak proof room (constructed myself) and I follow my nutrient regimen exact. This run I had been taking care of this girl entirely to prevent what happened to the first one, the temperatures never went above 85, water was always topped and nutes added when needed.. she's pretty clean, green, and healthy.. minus the male flowers. Could this be because of any previous remaining pollen, or is this likely caused by the strain genetics? The reason that I ask is because in the first Permafrost run, the Ripped Bubba also developed nanners (no visible sacks), which makes me think pollen was prevalent. However, the Ripped Bubba was also exposed to the higher temperatures, meaning the nanners could have been it's own response to the heat, which does not really confirm or deny anything in regards to pollen or the environment.

I'll be trashing this lady and cleaning the room here in a couple of hours when I get enough time allotted time for the task. How crazy do you think I'll have to go when cleaning the room? I actually have another couple of nice sized ladies in veg which are from a different strain and ready to go. I really need to get my rotation on point.. all these hermaphroditing setbacks are becoming quite annoying.

Check for light leaks

That was something that I kept in mind when constructing my rooms and they appear to be entirely light-leak proof.

A strain called permafrost strikes me as something that is quite intolerable to heat!!!!!!!!!

One would think, right? I managed to keep the temperatures under 85 this run, and she has shown no signs any heat stress.. or other stress for that matter.

 

[Kingrow1]

If they are all clones from the same plant chances are the weakest just transgendered out on you, maybe its down to a particular location in the grow room, could be a harder strain to grow than others.

 

[JohnCee]

If they are all clones from the same plant chances are the weakest just transgendered out on you, maybe its down to a particular location in the grow room, could be a harder strain to grow than others.

It all started with the same clone, but I have gave this cut out to buddies of mine and they've grown it without any hiccup at all. I'm just wondering if I didn't clean well enough and it pollinated or something. My mind is just blown trying to figure this one out.

 

[KryptoBud]

It all started with the same clone, but I have gave this cut out to buddies of mine and they've grown it without any hiccup at all. I'm just wondering if I didn't clean well enough and it pollinated or something. My mind is just blown trying to figure this one out.

I don't think you're understanding plant reproduction. If you had pollen left in your room after the first hermie it may cause seeding, but it's not going to cause a female plant to grow male parts, that's controlled by genetics. If you have more cuttings from the original clone I'd toss em in the trash. All you can do now is clean your room and have another go at it. good luck

 

[JohnCee]

I don't think you're understanding plant reproduction. If you had pollen left in your room after the first hermie it may cause seeding, but it's not going to cause a female plant to grow male parts, that's controlled by genetics. If you have more cuttings from the original clone I'd toss em in the trash. All you can do now is clean your room and have another go at it. good luck

Thank you for taking a moment and explaining that to me. I've never really had any encounters with hermies, or males so this experience has been quite interesting and educational for me.

 

[JohnCee]

Though, I've had a buddy running the same exact cut without any kind of issues.. and I was there to physically see this for myself in person.

After thinking the only variable that happened, which could have caused any kind of stress was my ph meter broke for a couple of days, but it doesn't appear that she took any stress from it.

Just making me wonder..