Greenpoint seeds!!

[DonBrennon]

Tasty. One of the RIU's sponsors. Two T1s for a 4x2 closet, growing two plants at a time and lending my side lighting to my San Pedro Cacti. I may get a third, just to round it out, but two are doing just fine. One per plant.

Sooo..........those cobs aren't from an 'Authorised' cree/citi/bridgelux retailer, where's the difference?

 

[Olive Drab Green]

Sooo..........those cobs aren't from an 'Authorised' cree/citi/bridgelux retailer, where's the difference?

The difference is that the fixtures are more than just their parts. They are custom built into standalone fixtures, therefore it has changed form to a point where Cree is not solely represented. The entire fixture was built by Rahz/Tasty using parts from a variety of companies. I think if you breed with a strain and sell your cross, that is acceptable.

Earn your keep with your own sweat and blood, not by plagiarizing and reselling what someone else put theirs into.

 

[DonBrennon]

The difference is that the fixtures are more than just their parts. They are custom built into standalone fixtures, therefore it has changed form to a point where Cree is not solely represented. The entire fixture was built by Rahz/Tasty using parts from a variety of companies. I think if you breed with a strain and sell your cross, that is acceptable.

Earn your keep with your own sweat and blood, not by plagiarizing and reselling what someone else put theirs into.

Ok......I bought my Mazda off my Parents' next door neighbour. He bought it off an Authorized Mazda retailer................. Seeds are possessions, the same as cars are. If you buy something, you own it and have every right to do what you want with it, even sell it, without anybodies permission. The guy I bought the car from is a civil servant and far from shady.................

 

[Olive Drab Green]

Ok......I bought my Mazda off my Parents' next door neighbour. He bought it off an Authorized Mazda retailer................. Seeds are possessions, the same as cars are. If you buy something, you own it and have every right to do what you want with it, even sell it, without anybodies permission. The guy I bought the car from is a civil servant and far from shady.................

Cars aren't exactly in the same boat. They're kind of regulated in a way that they can be bought and privately traded. Breeder seeda are meant to be bought, collected, and grown, and I feel that reselling a breeder's seeds without his permission or at least properly infirm informing them is bad business practice.

 

[Olive Drab Green]

Ok......I bought my Mazda off my Parents' next door neighbour. He bought it off an Authorized Mazda retailer................. Seeds are possessions, the same as cars are. If you buy something, you own it and have every right to do what you want with it, even sell it, without anybodies permission. The guy I bought the car from is a civil servant and far from shady.................

You know, Don, and the thing is, if it were just a free-for-all like that, I don't know how we'd ever be able to preserve the authenticity of a strain for posterity without serious risk of complete failure. That's the main reason I disagree with the concept that seeds aren't intellectual property. Many of the amazing strains we have today would be figuratively strangled to death by the miasma of inauthentic or deliberately renamed seeds, worse than that disappointing trend is today.

I really think standards should be held. Otherwise we're just trashy stoners like people think we are.

 

[DonBrennon]

Cars aren't exactly in the same boat. They're kind of regulated in a way that they can be bought and privately traded. Breeder seeda are meant to be bought, collected, and grown, and I feel that reselling a breeder's seeds without his permission or at least properly infirm informing them is bad business practice.

BS

 

[Olive Drab Green]

BS

Whatever it is you feel, I guess. This is how I feel. Very strongly.

 

[kmog33]

I don't play that game. If you are selling it, you should have authorization. Like I said, it's like stealing a song from a musician. Unless you grow it for yourself. Or cross it, then it's no longer in its original state. Don't be crooked, and try to play on technicalities. That's one of the biggest problems with the world today, people trying to get one over on each other.

You obviously don't understand how business or sales work. Legally you are wrong here.

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[Olive Drab Green]

You obviously don't understand how business or sales work. Legally you are wrong here.

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Whatever you say, bro. Tell that to any other artist whom someone tries to rip off. Like I said, it's that memtality that leads to the loss of legitimately amazing strains.

 

[kmog33]

You know, Don, and the thing is, if it were just a free-for-all like that, I don't know how we'd ever be able to preserve the authenticity of a strain for posterity without serious risk of complete failure. That's the main reason I disagree with the concept that seeds aren't intellectual property. Many of the amazing strains we have today would be figuratively strangled to death by the miasma of inauthentic or deliberately renamed seeds, worse than that disappointing trend is today.

I really think standards should be held. Otherwise we're just trashy stoners like people think we are.

It's called the free-market for a reason. If you buy something from someone without contractual stipulations, it is 100℅ yours to do whatever you want with. Honestly I bet legally hso has absolutely no power over this situation as they are trying to complain about gear they already sold and is technically no longer theirs.

Thugpug has made an entire breeding company based on this. He take gggs strains and crosses them to make f1s and calls them his strains. He's even used testers to do this, which means that probably GGG could go after him legally as he did not pay for them at all, but as it's cannabis seeds, good luck, lol.

What if hso right now messages you and told you you couldn't grow out any more if their gear you bought from them? Would you listen? Because they should have rights to their gear that they made even after you paid for it? Legally, that's not the way any product that can be bought or sold is handled, nor do I think it should be. That would be fucked, could you imagine your internet company not allowing you to use the internet on Tuesdays and Thursdays, even though you Pat for 24 hour service, because the CEO wanted the bandwidth for video gaming or something, lol. You would probably stop using that internet company.

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[Olive Drab Green]

It's called the free-market for a reason. If you buy something from someone without contractual stipulations, it is 100℅ yours to do whatever you want with. Honestly I bet legally hso has absolutely no power over this situation as they are trying to complain about gear they already sold and is technically no longer theirs.

Thugpug has made an entire breeding company based on this. He take gggs strains and crosses them to make f1s and calls them his strains. He's even used testers to do this, which means that probably GGG could go after him legally as he did not pay for them at all, but as it's cannabis seeds, good luck, lol.

What if hso right now messages you and told you you couldn't grow out any more if their gear you bought from them? Would you listen? Because they should have rights to their gear that they made even after you paid for it? Legally, that's not the way any product that can be bought or sold is handled, nor do I think it should be. That would be fucked, could you imagine your internet company not allowing you to use the internet on Tuesdays and Thursdays, even though you Pat for 24 hour service, because the CEO wanted the bandwidth for video gaming or something, lol. You would probably stop using that internet company.

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You clearly don't understand the term free market, bro. Even patents exist in a free market. Intellectual property also exists in a free market economy.

They aren't confronting him for growing their shit, they are confronting him for selling their shit without approval Z

 

[kmog33]

Whatever you say, bro. Tell that to any other artist whom someone tries to rip off. Like I said, it's that memtality that leads to the loss of legitimately amazing strains.

Lol, I'm a ghost producer for Tiësto, feed me, griz, the phat crew, and a few other guys on the mau5trap label, I know a lot about this, and you are wrong. If I ever tried to take credit for the stuff I've sold to them, I would get sued based on my contract. I agreed to sell them what they use in their music, and it is now theirs, even though I wrote it.

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[Olive Drab Green]

Lol, I'm a ghost producer for Tiësto, feed me, griz, the phat crew, and a few other guys on the mau5trap label, I know a lot about this, and you are wrong. If I ever tried to take credit for the stuff I've sold to them, I would get sued based on my contract. I agreed to sell them what they use in their music, and it is now theirs, even though I wrote it.

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Prove to me you work with Tiesto. That seems like a pretty tall tale. Pretty crazy if you're telling the truth. Gonna need proof, bro. And you are wrong, not me. Again, patents and intellectual property exist in a free market economy.

 

[kmog33]

You clearly don't understand the term free market, bro. Even patents exist in a free market. Intellectual property also exists in a free market economy.

They aren't confronting him for growing their shit, they are confronting him for selling their shit without approval Z

You think hso has patents on any of this? And what intellectual property do you think was stole from hso? And patents do not protect any company from what I do with their product. Did you even read my entire post or just the first sentence, because that was not an intelligent response to all of the info I provided in that post lol.

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[Beemo]

I feel that reselling a breeder's seeds without his permission or at least properly infirm informing them is bad business practice.

i dont remember signing a contract when buying beans.

 

[kmog33]

He doesn't need their approval lol. They sold gear that doesn't belong to them anymore. I can resell the hso gear I have if I want.

It will still be their gear, just through a third party, have you ever heard of amazon, lol. That's a whole site/ business that thrives on what you are upset about.

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[Olive Drab Green]

You think hso has patents on any of this? And what intellectual property do you think was stole from hso? And patents do not protect any company from what I do with their product. Did you even read my entire post or just the first sentence, because that was not an intelligent response to all of the info I provided in that post lol.

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Patents don't protect people from what you do with their product? Bro, stop being foolish. That is what a patent is for. To protect intellectual property.

 

[kmog33]

Prove to me you work with Tiesto. That seems like a pretty tall tale. Pretty crazy if you're telling the truth. Gonna need proof, bro. And you are wrong, not me. Again, patents and intellectual property exist in a free market economy.

Again, you need to read the whole posts,

Lookup ghost producer...

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[kmog33]

Patents don't protect people from what you do with their product? Bro, stop being foolish. That is what a patent is for. To protect intellectual property.

You don't understand business, sales, intellectual property, free market, or third party markets. I'm starting to see this is a stupid debate based on the ignorance of one party.

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[kmog33]

Patents protect you from what people do with your products, as well as protect your product from being stolen or reproduced.

None of these things happened here lol.

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