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Organic hydro?

Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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Been a salts guy for ever but thinking of switching it up so I can get involved in the organic versus salts debate :). Don't want to give up my setups that I have put together the last 5 years so was thinking of this lineIMG_2943.PNGhas anyone actually used these products? I use their non organic products now and am quite happy for the price paid. Also the guys that run the place are great to deal with. Thanks for any help!
 
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platt

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theres no debate hehehe it doesn't matter if its a wildbeest or a calf, The control panel of basic biology its been gored 24/7 yep, so what ^
Budley Doright said:
Also the guys that run the place are great to deal with.
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well if they are nice just let the love/money flow.. i do
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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platt said:
theres no debate hehehe it doesn't matter if its a wildbeest or a calf, The control panel of basic biology its been gored 24/7 yep, so what ^

well if they are nice just let the love/money flow.. i do
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The nice thing is it's cheap :) I can get it at the plant where it's made. The debate thing is really kinda like flush versus non flush and will never end lol. Just wanting to change things up I guess.
 
Rasta Roy

Rasta Roy

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I know it sucks to get rid of the equipment you got but you're not growing organic unless you are building a living soil.

Growers used to salt fertilizers that switch over to nonsalt based liquid fertilizers (sometimes considered organic because of how it's made) are often disappointed by the results of "switching to organic". They might get a better flavor profile but their yields suffer dramatically.

There's a million things going on in a healthy soil that are simply unrecreatable for a bottled nutrient.

Unfortunately, you gotta ditch the hydro gear and get away from the bottles if you want to get real results growing organically.

You can check out my thread it's good starting point for people new to the organic concept.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/organic-growing-an-introductory-guide.921380/
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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Rasta Roy said:
I know it sucks to get rid of the equipment you got but you're not growing organic unless you are building a living soil.

Growers used to salt fertilizers that switch over to nonsalt based liquid fertilizers (sometimes considered organic because of how it's made) are often disappointed by the results of "switching to organic". They might get a better flavor profile but their yields suffer dramatically.

There's a million things going on in a healthy soil that are simply unrecreatable for a bottled nutrient.

Unfortunately, you gotta ditch the hydro gear and get away from the bottles if you want to get real results growing organically.

You can check out my thread it's good starting point for people new to the organic concept.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/organic-growing-an-introductory-guide.921380/
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I actually do grow outdoors using a living soil mix with compost but not indoors. Even the guys that make the stuff do say yields will not be as good as salts in hydro but it is certified as organic so I guess it fills a need. Still on the fence as to switch and I actually prefer the taste of my indoor lol. I know, I know lol.
 
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Rasta Roy

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Budley Doright said:
I actually do grow outdoors using a living soil mix with compost but not indoors. Even the guts that make the stuff do say yields will not be as good as salts in hydro but it is certified as organic so I guess it fills a need. Still on the fence as to switch and I actually prefer the taste of my indoor lol. I know, I know lol.
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Being certified doesnt really mean much...bottles are not providing you the carbon elements you need, or the diverse microbiology.

I grow 100% organic, no bottled fertilizers, just a healthy built up soil with the occasional alfalfa or kelp meal steeped in water and applied. A AACT with just worm castings and molasses. Last time I applied a guano tea it was too much and unnecessary.

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Forgive the shitty picture quality...but that's me not even 30 days into flower. I'm definitely on track to hit 1 gram per 1 watt of electricity.

People that think switching organic will drop your yields are people that just switched to certified organic bottled nutes instead of building up their soil with organic matter. Making your own compost and worm castings might seem daunting but it's actually easy, will save you tons money on fertilizer, will reduce your carbon footprint on the environment, and will grow you massive quantities of sweet sticky weed.
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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Rasta Roy said:
Being certified doesnt really mean much...bottles are not providing you the carbon elements you need, or the diverse microbiology.

I grow 100% organic, no bottled fertilizers, just a healthy built up soil with the occasional alfalfa or kelp meal steeped in water and applied. A AACT with just worm castings and molasses. Last time I applied a guano tea it was too much and unnecessary.

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Forgive the shitty picture quality...but that's me not even 30 days into flower. I'm definitely on track to hit 1 gram per 1 watt of electricity.

People that think switching organic will drop your yields are people that just switched to certified organic bottled nutes instead of building up their soil with organic matter. Making your own compost and worm castings might seem daunting but it's actually easy, will save you tons money on fertilizer, will reduce your carbon footprint on the environment, and will grow you massive quantities of sweet sticky weed.
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IMG_2774.JPG organic with a bit of tea and fish emulsion :)
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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The whole ideal was of the thread was "has anyone used liquid organic nutes in hydro, and how'd it workout", no need to convince me about the benefits of organic soil grows, my fields are rented to a local dairy farmer are all certified to feed the organic dairy :), but I do get faster yields from my hydro setup than anything organic can do, that equals more :). Again I kind of like the hydro taste as it seems more refined but that's me, perhaps I've smoked way more dirt pot over the last 40 years and sick of it lol. I'll never go back to full on soil inside so the reason for the thread as well. Also if it's certified organic then it's an organic grow according to the government and that's good enough for me lol, just saying that there are I guess different levels of organic, but again this was not an organic is better or worse thing, it was a is this gonna grow plants big and fat :).
 
Rasta Roy

Rasta Roy

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Budley Doright said:
The whole ideal was of the thread was "has anyone used liquid organic nutes in hydro, and how'd it workout", no need to convince me about the benefits of organic soil grows, my fields are rented to a local dairy farmer are all certified to feed the organic dairy :), but I do get faster yields from my hydro setup than anything organic can do, that equals more :). Again I kind of like the hydro taste as it seems more refined but that's me, perhaps I've smoked way more dirt pot over the last 40 years and sick of it lol. I'll never go back to full on soil inside so the reason for the thread as well. Also if it's certified organic then it's an organic grow according to the government and that's good enough for me lol, just saying that there are I guess different levels of organic, but again this was not an organic is better or worse thing, it was a is this gonna grow plants big and fat :).
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I hear you bro!

The answer is no. No it will not grow plants big and fat. I just wanted to point out why is all! When it comes to hydro the certified organic nutes (commonly fermented extracts) can be a huge problem for your water lines as well. They leave behind a lot of biological film so you have to clean and flush your lines with enzyme solutions twice as often. Even then problems are still highly likely. On top of that some brands or organic nutes are not properly chelated and while when dumped in a soil with humic content those nutes can be changed to an uptakeable form...in hydro that's not there. So you don't even know if you'll get proper nute uptake.

When it comes to hydro growing I would strongly suggest sticking with chemical ferts. Organic ferts aren't gonna give you the benefit they should and you're gonna give yourself maintenance headaches.
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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Rasta Roy said:
I hear you bro!

The answer is no. No it will not grow plants big and fat. I just wanted to point out why is all! When it comes to hydro the certified organic nutes (commonly fermented extracts) can be a huge problem for your water lines as well. They leave behind a lot of biological film so you have to clean and flush your lines with enzyme solutions twice as often. Even then problems are still highly likely. On top of that some brands or organic nutes are not properly chelated and while when dumped in a soil with humic content those nutes can be changed to an uptakeable form...in hydro that's not there. So you don't even know if you'll get proper nute uptake.

When it comes to hydro growing I would strongly suggest sticking with chemical ferts. Organic ferts aren't gonna give you the benefit they should and you're gonna give yourself maintenance headaches.
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The natures own line was developed for hydro but yes it can cause some issues I've heard lol. I chill my water so that may help and also run hydroguard. But yes at the end of the day I really need as much as I can get :).
 
Rasta Roy

Rasta Roy

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Budley Doright said:
The natures own line was developed for hydro but yes it can cause some issues I've heard lol. I chill my water so that may help and also run hydroguard. But yes at the end of the day I really need as much as I can get :).
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I hear ya man. If you're looking to straight cash crop I wouldn't bother with switching.
 
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