Vegamatrix

[Lordhooha]

So I'm looking at new nutrients next run and I've been looking at vegamatrix and just wanted to know if folks are having good results? Are they worth the money? To give some insight I currently run roots organic soil greenfields, original and promix bx mixed up. Stuff it in 5 gallon pots moving to 15 gallon pots next run. An I run roots foundations, bloom. Organically done's fossilized bat guano which is a 1-10-0 and their bloom boost which is a 0-0-23 the full Aptus line for the boosters and I alternate great white, and mammoth-p that I get what I feel like is a super rounded out mycorrhizae content in my soil. I mean I swear so much I think my soil could walk it's so alive. I'm not having any issues with my current lineup I just like trying new things.

So post you thoughts and/or experiences with the Vegamatrix line or if you have something different I could try in this veggie organic movement. I'm open to suggestions.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

i've used vegamatrix for almost two years now, was gifted two of the pint sized starter sets and have gone through both of those and about halfway through the quarts i got to replace them. actually i still have small bottles of the hard and quick and the amp it, you use so little of them a quart should last for 2 or 3 years.
they're good nutes with an easy to understand schedule. i use about half what they say through veg and about 75% during flower.
easy sliding A B system, more A during veg, more B during flower, their own cal-mag called boost, their cannazhyme called primezyme, trace minerals in the amp it, a product called hard and quick that strengthens branches and promotes short internodal length, used for about 3 weeks before the flip and 2 weeks after to control stretching, and they have a bud booster called big and sticky, used for 3 or 4 weeks during mid flower.
they recommend using a microbial tea, i make my own, a little scd-bioag and a product called root assist microbe complete from skunk labs. i use it twice a month and get good results.
i can't say they're a lot better than anything else, because its all i've ever used indoors. my previous experience is using the GH line outside.
i like it, and would recommend you at least try it. i've looked at the prices of various lines, and if you buy what you actually need out of all of them...the prices are amazingly similar.....like they had sat down and agreed to it beforehand.....which is ridiculous, of course.

 

[Lordhooha]

i've used vegamatrix for almost two years now, was gifted two of the pint sized starter sets and have gone through both of those and about halfway through the quarts i got to replace them. actually i still have small bottles of the hard and quick and the amp it, you use so little of them a quart should last for 2 or 3 years.
they're good nutes with an easy to understand schedule. i use about half what they say through veg and about 75% during flower.
easy sliding A B system, more A during veg, more B during flower, their own cal-mag called boost, their cannazhyme called primezyme, trace minerals in the amp it, a product called hard and quick that strengthens branches and promotes short internodal length, used for about 3 weeks before the flip and 2 weeks after to control stretching, and they have a bud booster called big and sticky, used for 3 or 4 weeks during mid flower.
they recommend using a microbial tea, i make my own, a little scd-bioag and a product called root assist microbe complete from skunk labs. i use it twice a month and get good results.
i can't say they're a lot better than anything else, because its all i've ever used indoors. my previous experience is using the GH line outside.
i like it, and would recommend you at least try it. i've looked at the prices of various lines, and if you buy what you actually need out of all of them...the prices are amazingly similar.....like they had sat down and agreed to it beforehand.....which is ridiculous, of course.

Thanks for the input man. I've been reading on the talking to a few ppl locally at my grow stores. But I like to get as much info as I can before I buy and start feeding my ladies some random new brand of stuff. The whole veggie organic thing is interesting to me. Now reading their schedule it says to feed them very watering minus one watering every so often of fresh water. Is this how you run it? Kyle or his marketing team claim it's virtually non burning did you have any issues with that?

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

feed/water/cal-mag/water/feed....monday feed, tuesday water, wednesday calmag......... you could feed every day but if you did you'd have to use like maybe 30% of the recommended amount. even though it says every watering i use it about every 3 or 4 days. the only reason the cal-mag is in my rotation is i'm growing in either coco or hempy buckets, when i was using soil i didn't need it.
i use the system half strength every 3 or 4 days in veg, about 3/4 strength during flower, and am happy with the results. it WILL burn your tips if you use too much of the grow, but you have to use quite a bit.
i also make sure to get about 10-15% run off each watering, when i first started i didnt do that and in about a month i got salt build up and had to flush. i don't have to do their skip a watering step because i get the run through now and the salts don't build up.

 

[greasemonkeymann]

Thanks for the input man. I've been reading on the talking to a few ppl locally at my grow stores. But I like to get as much info as I can before I buy and start feeding my ladies some random new brand of stuff. The whole veggie organic thing is interesting to me. Now reading their schedule it says to feed them very watering minus one watering every so often of fresh water. Is this how you run it? Kyle or his marketing team claim it's virtually non burning did you have any issues with that?

an expensive nutrient line, almost makes ya wonder if you could do it cheaper and better with different methods...

i also make sure to get about 10-15% run off each watering, when i first started i didnt do that and in about a month i got salt build up and had to flush. i don't have to do their skip a watering step because i get the run through now and the salts don't build up.

salt build up?
flushing?

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

i've looked at all the major lines of nutes, and i'll tell you right now, if you pare it down to what you actually need, they're all very close to each other in prices. the cheap lines like GH are only cheap for the basic shit, the addons will eat any savings you get over buying better stuff to begin with.
you'll get salt build up with any nutes if you don't water till you get flow through.
you only have to flush if you let it build up...like any nute line.....
want a banana now?

 

[Lordhooha]

an expensive nutrient line, almost makes ya wonder if you could do it cheaper and better with different methods...


salt build up?
flushing?

Compared to what I've been using it comes out way cheaper. I didn't think it was too bad.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

at the rate i use it, a quart bottle of the grow, bloom, boost, or primezyme lasts me almost 9 months. the hard and quick, and amp it i have in the small bottles i was gifted 2 years ago yet, a quart bottle of either when i need it will last well over a year. a quart of the big and sticky also last at least a year. thats growing 10 to 15 seedlings/clones and flowering 3 to 5 plants, all the time, as soon as i have room in the flower tent i stick something in it.
so i'm spending maybe 150 a year on nutes.
sell a few grams to my friends and thats my nutes for a year.
and all i have to do is measure them out twice a week.
some people tell me go organic, compost...so i have to make compost, raise worms, buy expensive "all natural" stuff if i don't make it myself, have buckets of stinking tea sitting around....
some people buy all their own base ingredients and make their own soils...again, if you have the time, the place to do it, and the inclination to play with a chemistry set...have fun.
if you like doing it, do it.
i feel a close enough connection with the plants without using earthworms as personal messengers

 

[greasemonkeymann]

some people tell me go organic, compost...so i have to make compost, raise worms, buy expensive "all natural" stuff if i don't make it myself, have buckets of stinking tea sitting around....
some people buy all their own base ingredients and make their own soils...again, if you have the time, the place to do it, and the inclination to play with a chemistry set...have fun.
if you like doing it, do it.
i feel a close enough connection with the plants without using earthworms as personal messengers

it's not about that, and I don't use teas much anymore
so past having a wormbin (surprisingly NOT labor intense at all)
a compost (easy and fun, well worth the results)

I work 50+ hrs a week, I have a surgically repaired back, and I have limited FLAT space
It doesn't take much time, and really not even much effort.

It's not hard, and i'd be willing to bet if you did it, and did the pepsi challenge after?
you'd never go back.

It's not playing with chemistry, that's more what you bottle feeders are doing, it's simply biology.

 

[platt]

nah, its more like bottle feeders are chemo wanabes.... lol. GMM there are rather more variety of chemicals contained in 1cc of dirt than into a dutch formula 3 part nuteline, man, we lost that battle the day we choose playing with dirt if we attain to biology basics^

i feel a close enough connection with the plants without using earthworms as personal messengers

yeah finding the way to manage a rizosphere with the minimum inputs, for ex a 3 part formula without additives, tells a lot of the grower methods & technique and the salubrity of the growspot. For ex, after countering whatever systemic illness the grower introduced indoors, doing a succesful run under the minimum (dutch formula) is self explanatory for the average grower.
On the other hand, the application of bennies could be interpreted like a rizosphere ownership rights transfer ^. If this has a negative connotation i'd say i'm a persistent sinner on this department... for many reasons

 

[greasemonkeymann]

nah, its more like bottle feeders are chemo wanabes.... lol. GMM there are rather more variety of chemicals contained in 1cc of dirt than into a dutch formula 3 part nuteline, man, we lost that battle the day we choose playing with dirt if we attain to biology basics^

not sure I follow you, are you referring to man-made chemicals?

 

[platt]

definitely, GMM^ The merely existence of bennies encourage a continuous supply/release of chemicals to their surrounds. This belongs to soil growers at some extent^ And the chemical nature of this unique atmospheres` is just one of the many ways that govern their interactions.
The way they interact (bennies) cant be extrapolated from a mammal food chain. Wrong approach. Its more like the human opens the fridge---so the microwave explodes---so, somehow(chemo related issue) the chef remains alive to wank around the kitchen ^

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

definitely, GMM^ The merely existence of bennies encourage a continuous supply/release of chemicals to their surrounds. This belongs to soil growers at some extent^ And the chemical nature of this unique atmospheres` is just one of the many ways that govern their interactions.
The way they interact (bennies) cant be extrapolated from a mammal food chain. Wrong approach. Its more like the human opens the fridge---so the microwave explodes---so, somehow(chemo related issue) the chef remains alive to wank around the kitchen ^

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[platt]

Another guy who never heard about the role & chemical composition of those metabolics wastes/set of enzymes/acids, etc? then type and explore a bit around secondary metabolytes.
I wont have sons sry^

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

you have to realize when you're typing stuff out, the rest of us can't hear the voices in your head that are finishing your thoughts for you.

 

[platt]

well if we use bennies and manipulate organic substrates.....
dunno i always asume we are on the same page, thats true i concurr^

You ever heard about them? cos they impregnate our soils in the same way number e impregnates the cosmos..