Dumb newbie question about photoperiod

HikersDad

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Okay, go ahead and start laughing now. I can take it... :roll:

I'm about 2 months into my first grow. It's a basic Afghan strain, five plants, nothing fancy. I currently have them 18/6 under LED lights on "Veg" setting. Everything's going great so far, especially considering this is my first time.

However, here's the dumb question: Will the plants continue in vegetative mode till I switch the lights over to "Bloom" and change the photoperiod to approx 12/12, or should I start worrying about them spontaneously entering cannabis puberty?

Thanks for your help.

HikersDad
 

Bacala

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As long as you don't try to veg for eight months or something, they will wait for you. Depending on strain and possibly other factors, some can show sex before switching.
 

THE KONASSURE

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They show sex anytime depends on the strain autos can do it from node 2 regs from node 4 but normally not till they have 8 nodes and they start to stagger

meaning you no longer get branches together making a letter T but the ladder

red light brakes down the flowering hormone and makes them rebuild more of that hormone during lights off

the more red light you use and the longer the dark period the more flowering hormone the plants produce

but if you set your led to "bloom" you`ll just get more light probably more red light and that`ll just make them veg more at 18/6 but @ 12/12 or 10/14 they`ll flower pretty hard afghan based plants are normally 7-8 weeks some go 10 weeks pretty short flowering times, compared to straight sativa`s but every grows hybrids these days anyway
 

HikersDad

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Wow, you guys are fast!! Thank you both.

Bacala, it's nice to know the plants will wait for me (within reason). I don't intend to keep them in veg mode for eight months, but I would like to let them grow some more.

The Konassure, I was never quite sure how that veg/bloom setting worked. Thank you for the explanation. I checked the lights. You're right, the Bloom setting adds more red light. It's interesting that flowering is triggered by BOTH the type of light AND the photoperiod.

Overall, I think growing cannabis will turn into a nice hobby. I grew orchids for several years, so I'm not a complete noob, but cannabis has some interesting twists that will keep it fun.

Thank you both again.
 

legallyflying

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Konnasure was barking up the right tree although its actually NOT that simple, there is currently a bunch of research being done about red wavelength and flower set.

Basically the easy way to think about it is this... plants are ALWAYS producing a flowering messenger (hormone) called florigen. When a certain level of florigen in the plant is reached... flower production begins. The catch is this.. light, not just red light, breaks down florigen QUICKLY.

So.. if you need X amount of florigen in the plant then you need X amount of DARK to let the florigen build up to a level where flowering starts.

It actually gets REALLY COMPLICATED fast when lookinh at different wavelengths of light, short day plants, long day plants, etc etc. But im a nutshel, that is how it works.

Your plants will actually start flowering with only 10 hours of dark, not 12. We run 14/10 for the first 5 weeks of flower. That enables us to provide 15% more light which equals 15% more growth in the key growth phases.
Then 12/12, then 10/14 for maturation.
 

HikersDad

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Your plants will actually start flowering with only 10 hours of dark, not 12. We run 14/10 for the first 5 weeks of flower. That enables us to provide 15% more light which equals 15% more growth in the key growth phases.
Then 12/12, then 10/14 for maturation.
Thank you, LegallyFlying. That is fascinating. Do you ever leave your plants in complete darkness? I'm kinda dreading that phase because it sounds so daunting.
 

MonkeyPickAss

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Just tossing out there that you may want them to get bigger by keeping them in veg but they will get much bigger once you throw them into flower so keep that in mind.
 

THE KONASSURE

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Konnasure was barking up the right tree although its actually NOT that simple, there is currently a bunch of research being done about red wavelength and flower set.

Basically the easy way to think about it is this... plants are ALWAYS producing a flowering messenger (hormone) called florigen. When a certain level of florigen in the plant is reached... flower production begins. The catch is this.. light, not just red light, breaks down florigen QUICKLY.

So.. if you need X amount of florigen in the plant then you need X amount of DARK to let the florigen build up to a level where flowering starts.

It actually gets REALLY COMPLICATED fast when lookinh at different wavelengths of light, short day plants, long day plants, etc etc. But im a nutshel, that is how it works.

Your plants will actually start flowering with only 10 hours of dark, not 12. We run 14/10 for the first 5 weeks of flower. That enables us to provide 15% more light which equals 15% more growth in the key growth phases.
Then 12/12, then 10/14 for maturation.

when you run 14/10 do you go red heavy or blue heavy ?

I`ve had some strains where if you vegged for over 14 hour days every plant would sex male, I vegged at 20/4 and 18/6 and got all males off some "white diesel autos" so I stepped down to 14/10 for veg and then they started sexing female when I went to 10/14
Obviously they were not auto`s

but it did get me thinking I`ve seen study's normally higher veg temps, longer veg days and red light/excess heat can produce males, also more potassium during veg can also produce males

It`s my thinking that some people try to force males, if you force male sex then the females you get should be more stable

so there is something to be said for getting 10 regs and stressing them male hoping for just 1 to 2 females that way you would have a very stable female

All feminized seeds seem to be able to chuck out balls if you treat them certain ways, I think all females can do it pretty much maybe at one point canna was asexual or the plants survived once due to a hermi I mean it seems that if you fuck with them enough every strain can hemi ? so if a plant can hermi then it could have sexed male out of the pen with the right treatment

humans all start female and some due to chromosomes then develop into males this all still happens in the womb

canna seems to pick sex just around when its branches start to stagger, but almost all females seem to be able to throw out balls later too, I wonder if males can be made to make buds later in flowering I mean a plant should have full access to its dna profile they normally carry full dna lines of both male and female sides of the family tree, so they can regress and throw out anything momma or poppa could

or you know that`s how some girl with a PHD and a dna sequencer explained it to me after she said "plants take longer to sequence" and I asked why.
 

legallyflying

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Ahhhhh.missed that. I used to dread post harvest clean up but I grow enough now that I have people for that.

How to you define grower bliss? Looking at a huge room full of plant debris, cords, tubing, and buckets and just saying "tear everything apart, scrub with bleach water and reassemble".

:)
 

legallyflying

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We run 14 on / 10 off to initiate flower. Horti HPS.

I have never heard of nutrient combinations forcing sex changes. Some strains are naturally unstable... girl scout for instance.. but if we find a male or a hermie we rip him out of her pot, gang rape it in a dirty dark corner then throw him in dumpster. Dont geg me wrong, i dig me some super hot tranny action... but not in the grow room man.
 

Bbcchance

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plants will actuallystart flowering with only 10 hours of dark, not 12. Werun 14/10 for the first 5 weeks offlower. That enables us to provide 15%more light which equals 15% moregrowth in the key growth phases.
Then 12/12, then 10/14 for maturation.



Trying this next run for sure....thanks!:peace:
 

THE KONASSURE

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We run 14 on / 10 off to initiate flower. Horti HPS.

I have never heard of nutrient combinations forcing sex changes. Some strains are naturally unstable... girl scout for instance.. but if we find a male or a hermie we rip him out of her pot, gang rape it in a dirty dark corner then throw him in dumpster. Dont geg me wrong, i dig me some super hot tranny action... but not in the grow room man.

Yeah lower N and more K can force males, he idea is there`s no N in the soil survival tells a horny plant that there must be females growing in that dirt hence they ate all the N and the K is going to make them flower hard

Then also popping seeds in soil you have flowered females in and not washed out can cause males as the seed detects the female hormones and think`s there up top waiting for a spunking

then ga3 speeds up veg and you can use it to veg at 12/12 even 10/14 or 8/16 but it will increase the chances of a male or a hermi

Last up is low humidity and dryer soil in veg this can also encourage males

You have a choice veg for males and hope to get a prize female or veg for females and hope none of them chuck balls if they get a lil stress later

Yeah some strains are more stable but I do think any female can be force to chuck out balls just a survival trait they have but some are way more stable, I`m not sure making hybrids made the problem of hermis better, lol
 

HikersDad

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Looks like he's talking about a zero light period before harvest.
Yes, sorry for being vague. The pre-harvest zero light period is what I was referring to. It seems that's a bit controversial. I've seen on other websites that it's an old-wives' tale, while other folks claim it's critical that your plants be in complete darkness for a day or more. That's what seems daunting to me. It sounds like if even a beam of light gets into the grow room, well, awful things will happen. Not sure just what though. :lol:

HikersDad
 

legallyflying

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Yeah lower N and more K can force males, he idea is there`s no N in the soil survival tells a horny plant that there must be females growing in that dirt hence they ate all the N and the K is going to make them flower hard

Then also popping seeds in soil you have flowered females in and not washed out can cause males as the seed detects the female hormones and think`s there up top waiting for a spunking

then ga3 speeds up veg and you can use it to veg at 12/12 even 10/14 or 8/16 but it will increase the chances of a male or a hermi

Last up is low humidity and dryer soil in veg this can also encourage males

You have a choice veg for males and hope to get a prize female or veg for females and hope none of them chuck balls if they get a lil stress later

Yeah some strains are more stable but I do think any female can be force to chuck out balls just a survival trait they have but some are way more stable, I`m not sure making hybrids made the problem of hermis better, lol
With all due respect, most of this soubds like hippie bullshit to me

Low nitrogen causing herms? Drier air and soil causing males?

If you have some literature citations it would be good reading but your anthropomorphic descriptions of things certainly doesn't seem overly convincing.
 

THE KONASSURE

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With all due respect, most of this soubds like hippie bullshit to me

Low nitrogen causing herms? Drier air and soil causing males?

If you have some literature citations it would be good reading but your anthropomorphic descriptions of things certainly doesn't seem overly convincing.

It`s not the low nitrogen causing a hermi low nitrogen during veg for a reg seed, can cause it to sex male, as it need to veg faster, the faster taller plants in veg are the ones I find are more likely to sex male right ?

Think of all the shit people do at the start and during veg to "reduce stress" why is that ? there not reducing stress they are reducing factors that cause male plants

But you know no matter what you do you can only effect a plant so much

If I dig up any of the studies I read a few years ago I`ll link you I do think quite a few of them were already on here

There`s obviously many factors that come into it
 

THE KONASSURE

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these cover some of it

http://www.1stmarijuanagrowerspage.com/how-to-improve-female-male-ratio-of-cannabis-plant.html

AND page 20 Medical growers bible has some info, they mention more K in veg will produce males more get the whole book in google for free

http://www.growingmarijuana.com/sex-of-plant.php

there`s tons mate

in fact I would bet you already do a lot of stuff to reduce males we all do anyone that`s had good advice on growing from seed and vegging well has probably been told 5 to 20 things they can do to reduce stress, these in reality encourage female sexing

I could dig up more info on how to make males but I got some shit to do now..........
 
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