RM3
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puppet accounts start these debates for traffic lol
EXPERIMENTS 101 - What Have You Tried - What Works/Doesn't Work
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greasemonkeymann
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heh, yeaaa.. you did well in that regard my friend..
did well for sure
whitebb2727
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RM3
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I was just makin a joke
Odin*
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How can you doubt Dr. Who? He never lies. He has Chem from 1989. He has tons of grow logs. He doesn't just google everything and pretend it's his personal experience. Come on man, surely you've seen his dank pics.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure he knows what he is doing. However, I have run tests over the course of 5 years on hundreds of strains and all of the science available on the subject supports my conclusion (and one article does so almost to the "Hour"). I have been exposing my plants to 24hrs of dark pre-12/12 for 10 years.
Some of the information I posted is old, some is recent discoveries, but nothing I've found contradicts my own findings.
Edit- What is happening here? I can't segment quotes and now I quote Captn and it doesn't properly "quote". Shenanigans!
whitebb2727
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greasemonkeymann
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you think so?
from what I hear even the mods don't get compensated for their time (not sure WHY they do it, tbh)
so suppose they could... just seems like a lot of work considering the lack of reward.
it would explain some of the outrageous threads...
but I've met some outrageous people
Odin*
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Perhaps "counting" was a waste of time. You can't count the qualitative increase in trichome production as you can quantify it. Terpene development, this is what I was referring to. 4-5 days in, when tiny flowers are present, the terpenes developed in that time give off a "finished" scent (when the plants are brushed against). This level of terpene development (in the strains tested) does not occur within 4-5 days of 18/6 to 12/12. With 24 hours of dark, it does.
Please clarify, "In over 40 years of growing...", cannabis?
You cherry picked a "buzz word" (biomass). Yes, "biomass" is used in the article, but it states that this information will be applicable amongst varying plants to generate "crops that grow faster, produce greater yields of food or generate more biomass per acre". So, yes, absolutely, manipulating the light cycle will accelerate flowering as well as increase flower production. In my experience, matured plants with a healthy root system that are subjected to 24hrs of darkness pre-12/12 will not only produce more resin, but flower material as well (larger buds).
An acceleration in the onset of flowering will result in shortened flowering time, that's a given. Apply it anywhere. All else being equal, a quicker start results in a quicker finish.
I don't need to explain the benefit of 24hrs of darkness, the research presented does that. I will say that anything longer (36, 48, 72, 96) appears to "stress" the plant, slowing onset. I suspect this is due to nutrient "exhaustion" at each bud site (exaggerated yellowing) and the plant in general.
In my experience, the difference is ~a week to 10-11 days. Purely anecdotal, but these results are (in general) amongst clones from the same mother, in the same room, introduced to bloom periodically, multiples introduced at each interval. Also illustrated varied terpene development and yield (24hrs dark being optimal). I've never counted trich's. Visual, the "nose", yield, and the smoke have been my points of reference. Pepsi Challenge amongst friends and family also.
You say "unlike"- Yes, I did, but I started that side note with "nb" (i.e.; "Nota Bene"). That highlights notable points and includes the information that follows. I did not include all of the information, "nb" highlighted an area of interest, reading that particular section would have "filled in the blanks". Anyhow, this is what I was referring to within that article;
"The situation in LDPs is, however, different. Generally they are less responsive to night break treatment (Thomas and Vince-Prue, 1997). In contrast to SDPs, longer night interruptions are needed, and the flowering response is often semi-quantitative in nature. Furthermore, in contrast to SDPs, most LDPs require far-red light at the end of the light period to interpret the light period as a long day (Thomas, 1998; Thomas and Vince-Prue, 1997). If instead far-red light is followed by red light in the second part of the day, promotion of flowering is poor or absent (Fig. 3). In SDPs the light quality given at different parts of the light period has little effect on flowering. These differences in responses to night or day are not perfectly correlated with SDPs or LDPs, and some SDPs also show a weak response to light quality during the day. For this reason, plants can be classified as either dark dominant or light dominant. SDPs are predominantly dark dominant, while LDPs are predominantly light dominant."
So, exposure to Far-Red and (deep) Red light (or any other color, for that matter) have little effect on flowering in Short Day/Long Night plants, such as cannabis.
Regardless, the information regarding Pfr and Pr (Far-Red and Red receptors), Far-Red Light and Red Light, has been misinterpreted. You are not going to get an extra 2 hours of "Lights On" by exposing the plant to Far-Red. You can, however, assist the onset of Flower by exposing the plant to Far-Red during your first "night" of transition. Far-Red exposure converts Pfr to Pr, low Pfr levels and high Pr levels trigger bloom. Once in bloom, as the article states, qualities of light make little difference (darkness converts Pfr to Pr, so 12/12 sustains low Pr). In other words, trying to get a plant to bloom that is already in bloom won't make it bloom "more".
As this change from Pfr to Pr in darkness is gradual and not immediate, the 24hr initial dark period will convert a greater amount of Pfr to Pr than 12 hours of dark will. Therefore, not only a hastened response due to inhibited ELF3, but a more potent response due to lower Pfr/higher Pr.
Edit- Ha! Got rid of you "end quotes".
tropicalcannabispatient
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thre
thread school??? Edit: What. Thats supposed to mean?
RM3
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It is discussed in many of my old Riddleme threads like this one
https://www.rollitup.org/t/the-truth-about-flushing.409622/
Gary Goodson
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I have used @RM3 boil method several times and here is my opinion on it. It's not for everyone and it can't be used in all types of grows.
I wouldn't pour boiling water in my dwc buckets. It doesn't make much of a difference in water only organics. I don't see it as a practical option for large scale grows. It would be a pain in the ass to boil hundreds of plants.
It does, however, improve the taste when using salt based fertilizers. The biggest difference I saw was in this situation.
So I'm not knocking it and NO your plants won't just fall over dead because you poured boiling water on them. I was actually suprised how well they did for the 5 days after. They just slowly faded to a nice banana yellow. I was expecting fucked up leaves and sickly looking plants, but that was not the case.
So to all that are considering this option I say, give it a try. Just keep in mind that some situations are better suited for this method.
I wouldn't pour boiling water in my dwc buckets. It doesn't make much of a difference in water only organics. I don't see it as a practical option for large scale grows. It would be a pain in the ass to boil hundreds of plants.
It does, however, improve the taste when using salt based fertilizers. The biggest difference I saw was in this situation.
So I'm not knocking it and NO your plants won't just fall over dead because you poured boiling water on them. I was actually suprised how well they did for the 5 days after. They just slowly faded to a nice banana yellow. I was expecting fucked up leaves and sickly looking plants, but that was not the case.
So to all that are considering this option I say, give it a try. Just keep in mind that some situations are better suited for this method.
primabudda
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ok thanks i will gary.
tropicalcannabispatient
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I don't believe in flushing !! U flush toilets not plants. I flush in my first grow and then discarded
but i really like when "stuff" like this happens there is always a massive amount of knowledge in the thread
greasemonkeymann
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primabudda
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You know i'm going to read this post ^^^ while i'm in the edit box because, and give an honest reply, mature and honest, no hate.
*reads*
you sound angry at everyone sorry, i don't like doing this trust me. (i won't go into detail () < these are enough)
tropicalcannabispatient
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this is the part in his post that killed me: I threw beans in Miracle Gro potting soil. Never added anything but water, and harvested some amazing buds. Even did it under CFL. YEAH RIGHT DUDE. WUAAAAAAA. Look closely at what he said: I threw beans in miracle grow potting soil, NEVER ADDED ANYTHING BUT WATER,AND HE SAY HE HARVESTED SOME AMAZING BUDS!!! WTF. AJJAJJAJAJAJ
greasemonkeymann
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I totally agree with you man.
BUT
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i'm almost tempted to get some MG soil and do a water only in a bigass container, with some killer genetics..
just saying, I've seen genetics that will get you some knockout herb regardless of how you grow it.
that being said I sure as shit am not going to deviate from my compost based soil.
but it's tempting...
ttystikk
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Experiments! Yeah, I've done a few lol
Let's see;
Vertical growing; yep, works!
HID lighting; works but inefficient
Water cooled COB LED; yes it works, and it's efficient!
RDWC; works but inconsistent
Tupur; works!
SIPS; still testing, results are being vetted
Water chilling as HVAC; works!
I could go on, but only if folks are interested.
Let's see;
Vertical growing; yep, works!
HID lighting; works but inefficient
Water cooled COB LED; yes it works, and it's efficient!
RDWC; works but inconsistent
Tupur; works!
SIPS; still testing, results are being vetted
Water chilling as HVAC; works!
I could go on, but only if folks are interested.
whitebb2727
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You don't think the owner and friends make money? There are puppets.
tropicalcannabispatient
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lmfao, yeah i did already: One plant with a 600 watts hps, 20 gallon bin still got hungry at day 63 and started to eat herself, so i added nuts, i know it can be done but it won't be AMAZING NUGS LIKE OP SAY, after that 63 days if i would continue just water only i knew it would be shit.. So i can't tell really because i didn't finish the grow water only, but most definitely it would be shit herb, THE ONLY WAY i see this happening it was moving her to a new soil and continue water only, but not with the same depleated soil and water only., thats a nono