i think i have cracked it .....READ ME ....need ppl

[tropicalcannabispatient]

what u are not getting is i am exploitied the plants genetics on the next lvl

since it is a auto flower it is made like this it tries to build as fast as it can with a short growing season programmed into the genetics of it

u can delay the stages changing and increase the growth of the plant .......where u see 2 inches i can see 4 inchs in 24 hours ........what i have told these ppl will make a big plant for them with thick thick buds testing high in thc

i need them to test this and give me feed back ......so i can tweak the system more (different set up difffernt results but everyone should see a general increase in all ascepts of growing a auto flower)

i based everything i know off 14 breeders .......that is tiny i need more info from more ppl to get it tuned in just right

u really don't need none of that in a super soil with teas and top dress. U will get maybe even better results smothered smocke, better taste everything!!! thats all a gimmick VERY RESPECTFULLY

 

[tropicalcannabispatient]

what u are not getting is i am exploitied the plants genetics on the next lvl

since it is a auto flower it is made like this it tries to build as fast as it can with a short growing season programmed into the genetics of it

u can delay the stages changing and increase the growth of the plant .......where u see 2 inches i can see 4 inchs in 24 hours ........what i have told these ppl will make a big plant for them with thick thick buds testing high in thc

i need them to test this and give me feed back ......so i can tweak the system more (different set up difffernt results but everyone should see a general increase in all ascepts of growing a auto flower)

i based everything i know off 14 breeders .......that is tiny i need more info from more ppl to get it tuned in just right

will u supply the nutrients', boosters , synthetic additives,. And supersoil? Because thats a lot of money there down the drain for the same results or i will say IMHO I BET A 100% BETTER AND CHEAPER WITH SS, TEAS AND TOP DRESSING. BUT IF U SUPPLY ALL IM DOWN TO TRY!!

 

[tropicalcannabispatient]

I do love teas and topdress... I am an old school school quixote

but experiemtns are great... so long as nothing's being sold per say... though her, if it works the book's your's to write....

And if any of it can do something for someone, under the right conditions... well, we'll never know til someone tries right?

not it

i will know is hes promoting products here or not if he supply everything for the experiment, but if u have to buy everything u known what it is.. RESPECTFULLY TALKING

 

[justugh]

sorry but disagree sounds like a waste of money and a lot , i will prefer teas or top dress. GL

then u do not under stand fast growing plants

teas are nothing but milk shakes for the micros and fungi ....they have no real power at all
top dressing less then 1/3 of it will each the root zone in time for it to be benifit
top dressing and teas (might work for a plant that grows for 5 months but not one for 2 and half)


Photo plants .....cost more then auto plants just on the design of the system needed to do a cycle system so always pulling in
numbers do not lie on that fact run them yourself .... top dressing and teas (might work for a plant that grows for 5 months but not one for 2 and half)

my system done right requires no flushing at all ......just strait water the plant will do the rest of the work ......tring to move a 5 foot plant around when half of it is tied to main stalk from weight bending the branches .....flush is not a option unless u built it into the design of the floor

try it yourself just super soils and organic feeds do not have the power to build the branch bending weights ( a slow growing plant maybe but not a fast one)

i been helping ppl here for the last few years with it tuning parts of this into 1 mass thing for ppl to try this is the product of that .......it should do well under any light source...the thc count will be higher in this ....the oil vs the plant material should be higher too is only a few percent...thickness will be improved....the taste and burn will come out fine (repeatable results)

 

[justugh]

will u supply the nutrients', boosters , synthetic additives,. And supersoil? Because thats a lot of money there down the drain for the same results or i will say IMHO I BET A 100% BETTER AND CHEAPER WITH SS, TEAS AND TOP DRESSING. BUT IF U SUPPLY ALL IM DOWN TO TRY!!

i am not suppling it with all that much

read the the feed plan.......water 1 time every 2 days in 45 days .....so 22 waterings in flowering .....with the last 2 or 3 just plain old water

there is no grow
just rootting hormones 3 mls fo about 17 waterings 51 mls
b-52 to handle the shock and quick form of NandK 190 mls plus 75 for growth total for grow 265 mls

the flowering is all organic .......
honey breaks down to 3mls times 19 so 57 mls
bud candy is 10 mls by 19 so 190 mls
organic bloom is 10 mls 19 so190 mls
open sesame is 1 and half tbsp total
beastie is 2 tbsp total
cha ching is 1 tbsp to 1 and half tbsp

for 1 plant that makes 4 oz to 8 going at 300-250 a oz
cost effeictive or not u make the call

 

[justugh]

i will know is hes promoting products here or not if he supply everything for the experiment, but if u have to buy everything u known what it is.. RESPECTFULLY TALKING

look around under my name here in auto flowering and grow room

u will see everything leading up to this .....feel free to fallow the line of thinking

the only thing i did not include in this was the lighting tricks .......as ppl can not do exactly what i can do i left it up to them for a variable but as i have done cfls t5s hids and leds i have a good understanding what this should do for them

yes i am that kind of niger special in every way i am blunt honest and share what i got .........i know one thing about weed i can not share as it was promise to someone other then that what ever info knowledge or skill i have picked up u can freely access by going hey amish fucker and asking me the ?

 

[thewanderingjack]

i will know is hes promoting products here or not if he supply everything for the experiment, but if u have to buy everything u known what it is.. RESPECTFULLY TALKING

While I get your gist, as an in general: when you're really just a guy in a garage, even with a good idea, it can hard to have the resources to test it out... so... I mean that's part of this thread's point, I think, to find people willing to help him try. I like to experiment. I might not mind trying something like this ut, should it not cost me much... it's sort of like anything else... people have info, some's good, some not, some, unquantifiable... we check it out, due some research, if anything makes sense... hen heck ok... if things just don't add up... well there you go.

 

[tropicalcannabispatient]

look around under my name here in auto flowering and grow room

u will see everything leading up to this .....feel free to fallow the line of thinking

the only thing i did not include in this was the lighting tricks .......as ppl can not do exactly what i can do i left it up to them for a variable but as i have done cfls t5s hids and leds i have a good understanding what this should do for them

yes i am that kind of niger special in every way i am blunt honest and share what i got .........i know one thing about weed i can not share as it was promise to someone other then that what ever info knowledge or skill i have picked up u can freely access by going hey amish fucker and asking me the ?

read this

 

[thewanderingjack]

ok, read it, now what? (OOOOH I hope this is good... like bunnies out the hat OMG IS IT BUNNIES?!

 

[Budzbuddha]

Why not just grow regular bud in super soil?

Haha ... Sorry

 

[ovo]

That's not market. Only in the boonies. Can't believe you buy them expensive nutes and you call yourself Amish.

 

[tropicalcannabispatient]

then u do not under stand fast growing plants

teas are nothing but milk shakes for the micros and fungi ....they have no real power at all
top dressing less then 1/3 of it will each the root zone in time for it to be benifit
top dressing and teas (might work for a plant that grows for 5 months but not one for 2 and half)


Photo plants .....cost more then auto plants just on the design of the system needed to do a cycle system so always pulling in
numbers do not lie on that fact run them yourself .... top dressing and teas (might work for a plant that grows for 5 months but not one for 2 and half)

my system done right requires no flushing at all ......just strait water the plant will do the rest of the work ......tring to move a 5 foot plant around when half of it is tied to main stalk from weight bending the branches .....flush is not a option unless u built it into the design of the floor

try it yourself just super soils and organic feeds do not have the power to build the branch bending weights ( a slow growing plant maybe but not a fast one)

i been helping ppl here for the last few years with it tuning parts of this into 1 mass thing for ppl to try this is the product of that .......it should do well under any light source...the thc count will be higher in this ....the oil vs the plant material should be higher too is only a few percent...thickness will be improved....the taste and burn will come out fine (repeatable results)

SORRY BUT I DON'T FALL FOR THAT!! SUPERSOIL HAS EVERYTHING MA PLANTS NEED I DONT EVEN NEED TO TOP DRESS OR TEAS. ITS JUST WATER AND ITS ALL THERE, MAYBE A LITTLE SILICA THATS IT... NOW BY ALL THE PRODUCTS U SAY I NEED FOR THAT EXPERIMENT U TOLD ME ALREADY ABOUT THE ML TO USE. OK. NOW TELL ME THE PRICES ALL TOGETHER WITH THE ROOTS ORGANIC AND ALL IN BECAUSE I CHECKED ALL THE INKS OF THE PRODUCTS U POSTED AND SUGGEST NOW GIVE ME THE GRAND TOTAL TO GET LIKE U SAY A SUPER NATURAL HARVEST!! RESPECTFULLY..

 

[thewanderingjack]

A materials cost sheet is important for potential testers to see... at least in terms of your recommended types of media, and whatever nutrients... I mean, you did it so you know. And I'd like to without running around everywhere, ball park... hopefully I can find a better deal on them but what should I expect to shell out (taking into account purchase sizes, not just actual nutrients used, since I can't not buy the whole amount... I can figure out how much it'll do myself I guess that's cool)

You gotta give people as much info as you can, to get them to make that effort too...

 

[imaghostx]

hello

those that know me know i am a crazy ass mad scientist trying to figure out a repeatable system for any auto flowering strain that will make some killer shit and allow me to leave and have a lay person keep to my plan

i think i got it

it is a combo of super soil mixed with a modified organic chemical feed system to add on to what is already there ...and to counter as some strains are mag hogs or cal hogs or just want more and more and more

a auto flower is a Feed based plant ........if u can maintain the correct lvls with out any flux the plant can be tricked into longer veggie stages and flowering stages ....this also means u can flip them into flowering too by altering the feed

sorry if a ramble this is 4 years of work mashed into a experiment u can repeat to prove or disprove

super soil mix
roots organic greenfield base soil 2 bags (1.5 cf ones)
http://www.aurorainnovations.org/green-fields.html
roots organic elemental .........1/2 cup
http://www.aurorainnovations.org/elemental.html
special lime ......1/2 cup
https://www.amazon.com/Dolomite-Magnesium-Greenway-Biotech-Inc/dp/B00OEEGCHS
azomite...........1/4 cup
myko..............1 cup
https://www.amazon.com/Xtreme-Gardening-RT4402-Mykos-2-2-Pound/dp/B003STB5N6
blood meal ........3 cops
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000CO80OM
bone meal .........3 cups
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000COBYMC
Langbeinite.......1 1/2 cup
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00VJN96LG

now u need 4 other things
1 is more soil to use in upper part of planter
2 bio live .....this is for adding half cup to the upper part of the planter soil (help with shock)
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00VJN8XTC
3 epson salt
4 humic acid
https://www.amazon.com/TeraVita-SP-90-Humic-Soluble-Powder/dp/B00912FRO2

u mix up the super soil on a tarp get it all spread out then flip into pile rack out flip into pile rack out (make sure u turn the rack upside down so prongs in air not to rip tarp) ......put the super soil in a trash can (has a 55 gallon plastic trash bag liner and a lid )

take 1/4 cup of epson salts 1/4 cup of the powder humic acid and mix 1/2 of each into a gallon of water pour that into the super soil trash can ...do it again with other half and cap the trash can .....leave out in sun or warm area for 2-6 weeks (usable after 2 weeks but longer the better) .....every few days open the lid use it to fan in some fresh air and then cap it back off

once it is ready u put 1/3 to 1/2 of the planter bottom part full of this mix .....the upper part is for the bag soil plus 1/4 cup of the bio alive (pack the super soil down and the put in a few scoops of regular stuff add in the bio live toss in a 2 more scoops and hand mix the loose soil in the planter pack it down and top it off with regular bag soil )

take the planter and water it down .....give 3 days to dry out little before u plant the plug in there

as for the feed it is pretty simple
rapid start ..........6 mls to gallon of water (start to 2 weeks into flowering)
https://www.amazon.com/General-Hydroponics-Rapid-Start-Branching/dp/B005H79552
B-52....starts with 3 mls ends at 10 mls increasing the amount per gallon as it gets older...i use this to 1 week before i cut the plant
https://www.amazon.com/Advanced-Nutrients-B-52-Fertilizer-Booster/dp/B00DCY257C


that is it for grow ....at about 2/3 weeks u are going to see the plants get a N toxic effect that is it hitting the super soil ......it is a shock hence the B-52 to help recovery and adjustment (it will recover and will thrive)

flowering is where the fun starts ....if the strain needs something this is where it will show it so it is best o have a few things on hand like calmag+ (it should not but some strains are more demanding then other this my no means is 100% prefect).

organic bloom (any organic bloom .......10 mls per gallon)

these ones u add in with organic feed only a few times....power house chemical feed
https://www.amazon.com/FX14045-Granular-Fertilizer-Tri-Pack-Canisters/dp/B000HY2ODU

open sesame.......half the amount it tells u for a gallon only 3 times....timing this right before the plant goes into stretch and giving 2 more feeds to finish out
beastie bloom.....half the amount it tells u for a gallon only 4 times ....timing when they are phating out
cha ching.........half the amount it tells u for a gallon only 2 times ....timing right near the end before u cut it (try to have 10 days before u cut last time used)
this is chemical feed it is a balancing act for power to build even more on and keeping the smoke clean .....done right the micros will still be alive and controlling PH

bud candy........10 mls of this when ever u water
https://www.amazon.com/Advanced-Nutrients-Bud-Candy-Fertilizer/dp/B003OTZ2PW
honey from Humboldt (soil) .......3 mls of this in the water (help the micros in soil)
http://www.humboldtnutrients.com/blog/humboldt-honey-es/

watering .....when i say watering i mean water and feed u can skip feeding every once and while but i do not unless it is the 1 week before i cut the plant down
it is pretty simple .......every planter has a maximum amount of water it can hold before it leaks out (7 gallon soil fabric soil pots it is 1 gallon of water so makes it easy )
when u start off the plants u need to control the amount of water u are giving it to force plant to root out looking for water....so u do not want to give the planter the full amount of water......starting off water from the outside of the planter in to the center

first true leaf to 2 nodes on the plant u only give it 1 quart of water every 2 days (3 mls of b-52)
3 nodes to 5 nodes u give it half gallon of water every 2 days (6 to 5 mls of b-52)
5 nodes and stretching out ....1 gallon every 3 days (10 mls of b-52 untill 1 week before cut)
full flowering ..1 gallon of water every 2 days .....u can go every 3 days but water really counts

i need to know how it does for u
1 did u fallow or modify the plan
2 what strain and breeder
3 what was the growth (how tall and big in what size planter )
4 what lights did u use
5 anything to report
6 how much did u make off it ......what would u grade the it as compared to other grows

Definitely something here. i did something similar to my last autos and they vegged for twice as long started flowering around day 70. im not complaining about the extra time because they are going to be the biggest autos i have ever grown. only been in flower for a week and a half and the plants are 4 feet tall each.

 

[justugh]

That's not market. Only in the boonies. Can't believe you buy them expensive nutes and you call yourself Amish.

i just broke it down .....the amount of money spent on 1 plant to get what i get is more then justified

if u can not find ppl willing to buy your weed at the price u want then something is wrong with your weed .......just need high thc no seeds and a good taste profile it flies off my shelf
i live on a major trafficking path i-95 i-70

they have choices on what weed to buy .......they buy mine last month i only got rid of 3 jars as the stuff from out west has come in so they went and tried that this month i done 4 jars already with another qp going out in a few days (infact i am testing it this afternoon to make sure the THC lvl is to my standards before i tell the guy to come by and get it)

the simple fact is the price on soil and feed is recovered by the first oz made and sold .....and the rest of it is sheer profit
so buy the stuff tab it up use it on the plant that first oz u get for sell for 200 bucks and u are whole with 3 other oz on that plant plus the left over feed for the next set of plants

please before u talk anymore run the numbers and see u have no footing to argue on
look at the amount that is getting used vs how much is in a quart (1000 mls in a quart)
the most getting used is the B-52 .........u have enough for 4 plants in 1 quart on my plan making a avg of 4 oz so 16 oz

 

[justugh]

costing the most is
rapid start ..........u can change it out to cheaper rooting feed but u will not have the fine tendrils that rapid start makes
fox farms powders.......it is 1 lb of each that supply should get u several months before needing to replace it
and the rest are cheap
bud candy and b-52 is the most of of those


your looking at maybe 1.20 a day in cost of feed plus power and most of that is power

 

[justugh]

what u are saying is 100% off

and if u ran the numbers like i just did u would see the plan i told ppl is pennies a day for a investment that is going to be 1200 -1000 return in 78 days

 

[tropicalcannabispatient]

i just broke it down .....the amount of money spent on 1 plant to get what i get is more then justified

if u can not find ppl willing to buy your weed at the price u want then something is wrong with your weed .......just need high thc no seeds and a good taste profile it flies off my shelf
i live on a major trafficking path i-95 i-70

they have choices on what weed to buy .......they buy mine last month i only got rid of 3 jars as the stuff from out west has come in so they went and tried that this month i done 4 jars already with another qp going out in a few days (infact i am testing it this afternoon to make sure the THC lvl is to my standards before i tell the guy to come by and get it)

the simple fact is the price on soil and feed is recovered by the first oz made and sold .....and the rest of it is sheer profit
so buy the stuff tab it up use it on the plant that first oz u get for sell for 200 bucks and u are whole with 3 other oz on that plant plus the left over feed for the next set of plants

please before u talk anymore run the numbers and see u have no footing to argue on
look at the amount that is getting used vs how much is in a quart (1000 mls in a quart)
the most getting used is the B-52 .........u have enough for 4 plants in 1 quart on my plan making a avg of 4 oz so 16 oz

TMI BRUH!! IM OUT PEACE!!

 

[justugh]

TMI BRUH!! IM OUT PEACE!!

thanks for messing up this posting

next time come ready ........i spent years working this

your throwing out half asses arguments went i counter them with logic u move to the next one u can think of .....until u run away
tired of this bullshit with ppl talking out the ass ....or telling ppl dated info...or just bullshit so their grows mess up ....i seen it all

this is why i am the amish fucker i come right i come ready

u want to play games like this go to TNT they are welcome there .....wish i could delete all your comments to this post to clean it up as u brought nothing of value into it

 

[Yodaweed]

then u do not under stand fast growing plants

teas are nothing but milk shakes for the micros and fungi ....they have no real power at all
top dressing less then 1/3 of it will each the root zone in time for it to be benifit
top dressing and teas (might work for a plant that grows for 5 months but not one for 2 and half)


Photo plants .....cost more then auto plants just on the design of the system needed to do a cycle system so always pulling in
numbers do not lie on that fact run them yourself .... top dressing and teas (might work for a plant that grows for 5 months but not one for 2 and half)

my system done right requires no flushing at all ......just strait water the plant will do the rest of the work ......tring to move a 5 foot plant around when half of it is tied to main stalk from weight bending the branches .....flush is not a option unless u built it into the design of the floor

try it yourself just super soils and organic feeds do not have the power to build the branch bending weights ( a slow growing plant maybe but not a fast one)

i been helping ppl here for the last few years with it tuning parts of this into 1 mass thing for ppl to try this is the product of that .......it should do well under any light source...the thc count will be higher in this ....the oil vs the plant material should be higher too is only a few percent...thickness will be improved....the taste and burn will come out fine (repeatable results)

Photo plants cost so much less than auto's they are literally free to clone, no need to pay for seeds at all and they don't need all this special treatment you are talking about AND they yield more, autoflowers are for people that grow outdoors in areas that have weird sunlight hours and they cant flower a photo plant in those outdoor hours.