i think i have cracked it .....READ ME ....need ppl

[justugh]

hello

those that know me know i am a crazy ass mad scientist trying to figure out a repeatable system for any auto flowering strain that will make some killer shit and allow me to leave and have a lay person keep to my plan

i think i got it

it is a combo of super soil mixed with a modified organic chemical feed system to add on to what is already there ...and to counter as some strains are mag hogs or cal hogs or just want more and more and more

a auto flower is a Feed based plant ........if u can maintain the correct lvls with out any flux the plant can be tricked into longer veggie stages and flowering stages ....this also means u can flip them into flowering too by altering the feed

sorry if a ramble this is 4 years of work mashed into a experiment u can repeat to prove or disprove

super soil mix
roots organic greenfield base soil 2 bags (1.5 cf ones)
http://www.aurorainnovations.org/green-fields.html
roots organic elemental .........1/2 cup
http://www.aurorainnovations.org/elemental.html
special lime ......1/2 cup
https://www.amazon.com/Dolomite-Magnesium-Greenway-Biotech-Inc/dp/B00OEEGCHS
azomite...........1/4 cup
myko..............1 cup
https://www.amazon.com/Xtreme-Gardening-RT4402-Mykos-2-2-Pound/dp/B003STB5N6
blood meal ........3 cops
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000CO80OM
bone meal .........3 cups
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000COBYMC
Langbeinite.......1 1/2 cup
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00VJN96LG

now u need 4 other things
1 is more soil to use in upper part of planter
2 bio live .....this is for adding half cup to the upper part of the planter soil (help with shock)
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00VJN8XTC
3 epson salt
4 humic acid
https://www.amazon.com/TeraVita-SP-90-Humic-Soluble-Powder/dp/B00912FRO2

u mix up the super soil on a tarp get it all spread out then flip into pile rack out flip into pile rack out (make sure u turn the rack upside down so prongs in air not to rip tarp) ......put the super soil in a trash can (has a 55 gallon plastic trash bag liner and a lid )

take 1/4 cup of epson salts 1/4 cup of the powder humic acid and mix 1/2 of each into a gallon of water pour that into the super soil trash can ...do it again with other half and cap the trash can .....leave out in sun or warm area for 2-6 weeks (usable after 2 weeks but longer the better) .....every few days open the lid use it to fan in some fresh air and then cap it back off

once it is ready u put 1/3 to 1/2 of the planter bottom part full of this mix .....the upper part is for the bag soil plus 1/4 cup of the bio alive (pack the super soil down and the put in a few scoops of regular stuff add in the bio live toss in a 2 more scoops and hand mix the loose soil in the planter pack it down and top it off with regular bag soil )

take the planter and water it down .....give 3 days to dry out little before u plant the plug in there

as for the feed it is pretty simple
rapid start ..........6 mls to gallon of water (start to 2 weeks into flowering)
https://www.amazon.com/General-Hydroponics-Rapid-Start-Branching/dp/B005H79552
B-52....starts with 3 mls ends at 10 mls increasing the amount per gallon as it gets older...i use this to 1 week before i cut the plant
https://www.amazon.com/Advanced-Nutrients-B-52-Fertilizer-Booster/dp/B00DCY257C


that is it for grow ....at about 2/3 weeks u are going to see the plants get a N toxic effect that is it hitting the super soil ......it is a shock hence the B-52 to help recovery and adjustment (it will recover and will thrive)

flowering is where the fun starts ....if the strain needs something this is where it will show it so it is best o have a few things on hand like calmag+ (it should not but some strains are more demanding then other this my no means is 100% prefect).

organic bloom (any organic bloom .......10 mls per gallon)

these ones u add in with organic feed only a few times....power house chemical feed
https://www.amazon.com/FX14045-Granular-Fertilizer-Tri-Pack-Canisters/dp/B000HY2ODU

open sesame.......half the amount it tells u for a gallon only 3 times....timing this right before the plant goes into stretch and giving 2 more feeds to finish out
beastie bloom.....half the amount it tells u for a gallon only 4 times ....timing when they are phating out
cha ching.........half the amount it tells u for a gallon only 2 times ....timing right near the end before u cut it (try to have 10 days before u cut last time used)
this is chemical feed it is a balancing act for power to build even more on and keeping the smoke clean .....done right the micros will still be alive and controlling PH

bud candy........10 mls of this when ever u water
https://www.amazon.com/Advanced-Nutrients-Bud-Candy-Fertilizer/dp/B003OTZ2PW
honey from Humboldt (soil) .......3 mls of this in the water (help the micros in soil)
http://www.humboldtnutrients.com/blog/humboldt-honey-es/

watering .....when i say watering i mean water and feed u can skip feeding every once and while but i do not unless it is the 1 week before i cut the plant down
it is pretty simple .......every planter has a maximum amount of water it can hold before it leaks out (7 gallon soil fabric soil pots it is 1 gallon of water so makes it easy )
when u start off the plants u need to control the amount of water u are giving it to force plant to root out looking for water....so u do not want to give the planter the full amount of water......starting off water from the outside of the planter in to the center

first true leaf to 2 nodes on the plant u only give it 1 quart of water every 2 days (3 mls of b-52)
3 nodes to 5 nodes u give it half gallon of water every 2 days (6 to 5 mls of b-52)
5 nodes and stretching out ....1 gallon every 3 days (10 mls of b-52 untill 1 week before cut)
full flowering ..1 gallon of water every 2 days .....u can go every 3 days but water really counts

i need to know how it does for u
1 did u fallow or modify the plan
2 what strain and breeder
3 what was the growth (how tall and big in what size planter )
4 what lights did u use
5 anything to report
6 how much did u make off it ......what would u grade the it as compared to other grows

 

[GardenGnome83]

Why not just grow regular bud in super soil?

 

[thewanderingjack]

Wow, this is long but interesting, I am definitely going to read through... though I like photoperiods just fine myself, and as an indoor guy they work as well for me (since I am the master of time!!!)

 

[justugh]

Why not just grow regular bud in super soil?

becuase they will take even more .....a auto plant is a monster waiting for the feed to grow ......just simple augments to the soil is not enough to get it act like it is in a hydro

i have chemical reports on what i have done this feed and soil plan should make a avg of atleast 4 oz tightest nugs with thc in the 20's ( by no means is this everything to max a plant out but this is the first step in seeing if the experiment is repeatable by other ppl given me even more data to keep tweaking ) ......instead of me working by myself i just increased my lab space and strain being tried so the over all work decreases so it can be done in say 2 3 more years

ppl are great they help me in my work......i freely share what i know .....it is how i got this far this fast .....share what i know ppl use on theirs it confrims the experiments i move to the next logical step

 

[GardenGnome83]

becuase they will take even more .....a auto plant is a monster waiting for the feed to grow ......just simple augments to the soil is not enough to get it act like it is in a hydro

i have chemical reports on what i have done this feed and soil plan should make a avg of atleast 4 oz tightest nugs with thc in the 20's ( by no means is this everything to max a plant out but this is the first step in seeing if the experiment is repeatable by other ppl given me even more data to keep tweaking ) ......instead of me working by myself i just increased my lab space and strain being tried so the over all work decreases so it can be done in say 2 3 more years

ppl are great they help me in my work......i freely share what i know .....it is how i got this far this fast .....share what i know ppl use on theirs it confrims the experiments i move to the next logical step

How long does it take from seed to harvest? Wouldn't clones do you better?
More harvested in the timeframe?

 

[justugh]

Wow, this is long but interesting, I am definitely going to read through... though I like photoperiods just fine myself, and as an indoor guy they work as well for me (since I am the master of time!!!)

photo are the best for medical needs as the terepenes lvls are better .......but when it comes to wreck weed (yes i know but it is wreck u weed so i call it that) auto flowers are the better choice as they can fill the THC counts wanted and offer i higher amount of taste profiles over a given time and grow area .....making the small supplier to a shop competive ( will always get top shelf prices if make top shelf product)

 

[justugh]

How long does it take from seed to harvest? Wouldn't clones do you better?
More harvested in the timeframe?

what strain
quickest turn around 50 days longest 110 avg is about 78

i made 1 auto plant do 23 sellable oz plant did 26oz 22 or 20 grams ........it took a 4x4x6 area up by itself......110days total on the plant.....hydro plant alls i did was mess up 1 thing and the plant took to it growing like that

this is the change of it to soil ......lowering the cost but getting best out of it

 

[thewanderingjack]

photo are the best for medical needs as the terepenes lvls are better .......but when it comes to wreck weed (yes i know but it is wreck u weed so i call it that) auto flowers are the better choice as they can fill the THC counts wanted and offer i higher amount of taste profiles over a given time and grow area .....making the small supplier to a shop competive ( will always get top shelf prices if make top shelf product)

Hadn't heard that, any links? (I'll look into it too of course, but a place to start is nice)

 

[justugh]

Hadn't heard that, any links? (I'll look into it too of course, but a place to start is nice)

i just confirmed it with oregon shops 2 months ago

they do not care aslong as the paperwork in order and the THC counts show that high they will buy anything .......they do not know they might have auto on the shelf now

the rest is just common drug sense .......ppl are fickle so the same thing over and over and over again like a photo op using clones they will want the product less ....so it will make the price drops and u are hussling the weed father away from your area looking to sell it out get the money back and do the next batch

most growers can not afford to sit on 50 lbs of weed waiting for the market demand for that strain to go back up so worth selling product


auto flowers u are always cycling the strains u pick the number of strains u want get the seeds and make 1000 times more then what u paided for the seed ......plus auto flowers can be done same area veggie and flowering they like both lightwaves ....finally autos u can do a 24/0 timing

that makes 35 days in auto flower equal 70 days in photo ........u just have to have the water and feed so it can keep growing

 

[thewanderingjack]

I see a lot of your logic as sound, but I'd like some more data... about the chemical properties effects

The supply/demand issues are true, always has been... whenever there's something not already widely available on the market it gets popular, over produced and then floods, so that no one wants it anymore (get too used to it, just heard something new whatever) and it adds to production when you have to move it further.

And some of what you're about the time too (I mean certainly autos don't need to worry about switching lights etc etc and tend to run faster.... except... IDK, I'm not a commercial grower (have worked with/for, but have ever been)... but for one... never heard of a 35 day from seed to harvest grow (maybe I misunderstood that? you were just comparing the two for similarities at different times I think). Shortest autos I know are in the 60+ days. In terms of growth amount and final production amounts, idk, I haven't really heard anything to make think there's a final conclusion on that, otherwise One would be HEAVILY favored over the other, despite added trouble it might be or whatever.

Using "feminized" seeds/clones you can be pretty sure of plant quality and potential. There's a lot of short finishing photo strains too. Using a perpetual grow set up, you can always be harvesting. And changing your supply.

But I think more it's about situation... like I said, I am growing for personal use... so with my needs, and my general sort of out view (That I don't need to reach record numbers) it's worth it for me to have more time to myself, or not have to tend as much... it's why I don't grow vertical... I could have way more plants for the space/light I have... but also more work.

Different set up for different situations.. but that's why I like your thread, you're trying to do something or a certain effect, and if it's working, then power to you for doing it and even more for sharing it. ROCK ON!!!!!

 

[tropicalcannabispatient]

Wow, this is long but interesting, I am definitely going to read through... though I like photoperiods just fine myself, and as an indoor guy they work as well for me (since I am the master of time!!!)

i thought u where dead? U ok? Lol

 

[thewanderingjack]

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(If you mean because of the horde of angry villagers I seem to attract sometimes... you know, the wing nut types who like to rant and curse and flame... meh... no problems... I'm a clever boy )

 

[tropicalcannabispatient]

i thought that using mycos and organic or living soil didn't mix with synthetic fertilizers chemically made with salts and other garbage? So im confused now. why u will build a living soil for almost a month and a half to then kill it with chemical fertilizer and salt and other shit? im lost and sounds like a waste of money on amendants.. I guess u learn something new everyday..

 

[tropicalcannabispatient]

sounds to me very respectfully like u trying to promote products here, with super soil u dont need all that garbage just water and maybe molasses or a couple of teas but i won't add chemical fertilizers to my ss. Respectfully disagree.

 

[thewanderingjack]

Should I start a thread, Molasses, yay or nay? I am curious what the consensus is so far and getting info, because I am considering it.

 

[tropicalcannabispatient]

Should I start a thread, Molasses, yay or nay? I am curious what the consensus is so far and getting info, because I am considering it.

yay

 

[justugh]

i thought that using mycos and organic or living soil didn't mix with synthetic fertilizers chemically made with salts and other garbage? So im confused now. why u will build a living soil for almost a month and a half to then kill it with chemical fertilizer and salt and other shit? im lost and sounds like a waste of money on amendants.. I guess u learn something new everyday..

plant is feed based the quick supply of high power food is chemical .....no ifs ands or butts to it

i have tried supersoil on crack ......about 4 times the power of this ......they still want more

what this is a blend of both worlds into something that makes a strong good tasting weed with great bulk to it .........hydro will always out do soil do to the fact the water and feed are one u can reall gett up there in ppm like 4000 range and the plant will use a gallon and half of water in 24 hours

the chemical feed coming it allows the plant to intake it from the roots plus intake what it has offered u are only boosting it to keep the red vein from showing up and make the buds thick as coke cans

as most of the feed and power is in the soil and the chemical is a augment as long as u do not go crazy on the chemical the soil staies in balance do to the micros ( the bud candy the honey and the bloo organic plus the soil itself)

Should I start a thread, Molasses, yay or nay? I am curious what the consensus is so far and getting info, because I am considering it.

a low dose like that yes u will see a better reaction in the plants with u adding some in .......the simple sugars are fuel for micros and the slight hike to the K amount whould see little faster rooting

 

[justugh]

what u are not getting is i am exploitied the plants genetics on the next lvl

since it is a auto flower it is made like this it tries to build as fast as it can with a short growing season programmed into the genetics of it

u can delay the stages changing and increase the growth of the plant .......where u see 2 inches i can see 4 inchs in 24 hours ........what i have told these ppl will make a big plant for them with thick thick buds testing high in thc

i need them to test this and give me feed back ......so i can tweak the system more (different set up difffernt results but everyone should see a general increase in all ascepts of growing a auto flower)

i based everything i know off 14 breeders .......that is tiny i need more info from more ppl to get it tuned in just right

 

[tropicalcannabispatient]

plant is feed based the quick supply of high power food is chemical .....no ifs ands or butts to it

i have tried supersoil on crack ......about 4 times the power of this ......they still want more

what this is a blend of both worlds into something that makes a strong good tasting weed with great bulk to it .........hydro will always out do soil do to the fact the water and feed are one u can reall gett up there in ppm like 4000 range and the plant will use a gallon and half of water in 24 hours

the chemical feed coming it allows the plant to intake it from the roots plus intake what it has offered u are only boosting it to keep the red vein from showing up and make the buds thick as coke cans

as most of the feed and power is in the soil and the chemical is a augment as long as u do not go crazy on the chemical the soil staies in balance do to the micros ( the bud candy the honey and the bloo organic plus the soil itself)



a low dose like that yes u will see a better reaction in the plants with u adding some in .......the simple sugars are fuel for micros and the slight hike to the K amount whould see little faster rooting

sorry but disagree sounds like a waste of money and a lot , i will prefer teas or top dress. GL

 

[thewanderingjack]

I do love teas and topdress... I am an old school school quixote

but experiemtns are great... so long as nothing's being sold per say... though her, if it works the book's your's to write....

And if any of it can do something for someone, under the right conditions... well, we'll never know til someone tries right?

not it