"I can't get mad that the system is rigged against the white guy." -Whoopi Goldberg

Flaming Pie

Flaming Pie

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Fogdog said:
Hmmm, you cite statistics when convenient and doubt them when its not. But I'm not replying to point out your obvious hypocrisy.

Statistics are best used to bolster a point. You just cite these stats as if they make a point. They don't. They only show the trends which I think you and I can agree are awful.

Do we also agree that the justice system through it's biased application of sentencing laws to make it 6 times more likely to incarcerate black men than white men arrested for similar crimes is a major factor in this trend? Also racial profiling of young black men to selectively stop, search, perform background checks, beat them and arrest them is another factor? If so, then I'd like to know what happened to the real Desert Dude.
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The point is that the democrats have been actively trying to remove fathers from the equation. They focused heavily on removing black fathers by jailing them.
 
SneekyNinja

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blu3bird said:
It's the court system, not dems or reps, trying to remove fathers from the family, it doesn't matter what color you are. 100% truth.
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Who's makes the laws the courts uphold?

And they're not locking up "fathers", they're just locking up all the black males they can, regardless of familial status.

:dunce:
 
Flaming Pie

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UncleBuck said:
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Wrong answer. Right answer is the mom works all the time and a stranger raises her child or she receives government aid which effectively makes the state "daddy".

If daddy gets out of prison, he has a hard time finding work. Drug crimes keep him from going to college or receiving food stamps. Likely he'll get arrested again being black and poor. Cops have an incentive from the government to make busts and arrests.

Thank billary for that one.
 
UncleBuck

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Flaming Pie said:
Wrong answer. Right answer is the mom works all the time and a stranger raises her child or she receives government aid which effectively makes the state "daddy".

If daddy gets out of prison, he has a hard time finding work. Drug crimes keep him from going to college or receiving food stamps. Likely he'll get arrested again being black and poor. Cops have an incentive from the government to make busts and arrests.

Thank billary for that one.
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you're blaming bill clinton for single motherhood now?

he was the child of a single mother too.

you are just not that bright.
 
Fogdog

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PCXV said:
Can you explain in simple terms the best source for the metrics of police interactions with black vs white males? This statistic is so muddled by the varying methods and reasoning and honestly I'm a little confused.
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You are right in that the statistics are muddled. You asked a good question and just digging around the internet produced some really unsatisfying results.

I went to the Bureau of Justice Statistics and pulled up arrest data for 2012 directly from the following link:
http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=datool&surl=/arrests/index.cfm#

I also found a report on prison populations at the same BJS website:
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/p13.pdf

The data in the report is for 2013 and contains a breakdown of prison populations by race and ethnicity for state and federal prisons.

Data from both sources are summarized in the table below.

Rates quoted in the table are number of arrests or sentenced prisoners per 100,000 of US population of same race.
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I had it wrong in an earlier about arrest rates being the same between black and white men. The arrest rate is double for black people compared to whites. Why this may be so is discussed in later. The incarceration rate for black people is 6 times that of whites. As said in another post, once the justice system begins its work, the results are biased against black men and women.


A study on factors contributing to juvenile arrests can be found in this nih study:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2981137/

Conclusions
To summarize, findings suggest that increased exposure to early risk factors account for most discrepancies in juvenile arrest rates between Black and White boys, as race was no longer a significant predictor of general, violence-related, or theft-related arrests once risk factors were accounted for in the models.

To summarize:
Race is not a significant factor to explain arrest rates. Social, family and economic factors are.
Black people are arrested at a twice the rate as white people
The bias in the justice system is seen in the fact that black people are six times more likely to be incarcerated compared to white people.
 
UncleBuck

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Flaming Pie said:
Single black mothers can thank her for their husbands being victimized. 1994 crime bill. Hillary pushed big for it.
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ya mean, the same bill that 2/3 of the black congressional caucus voted for, and which hillary did not vote for?

that was a "law and order" bill, by the way. aren't you brainwashed like a zombie for the "law and order candidate"?

go be a dumb fucktard somewhere else. politics is not your thing. you are simply too stupid.

i don't mean any of that in a cruel way. you just aren't smart.
 
Fogdog

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OGEvilgenius said:
What is the source for those facts? Because I couldn't find anything that suggests the conviction rates are higher for black men than white men.
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Source is posted a just above UB's but here the sources are again:
I went to the Bureau of Justice Statistics and pulled up arrest data for 2012 directly from the following link:
http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=datool&surl=/arrests/index.cfm#

I also found a report on prison populations at the same BJS website:
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/p13.pdf

Have fun with that.

desert dude said:
This shit is not secret. English. Can you read it?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States

"Homicide
According to the US Department of Justice, blacks accounted for 52.5% of homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with whites 45.3% and "Other" 2.2%. The offending rate for blacks was almost 8 times higher than whites, and the victim rate 6 times higher. Most homicides were intraracial, with 84% of white victims killed by whites, and 93% of black victims killed by blacks.[38][39][40]"

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf
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You are eager to post simple minded shit without an explanation. In my post just above UB's is a study looking a risk factors. Race is not a risk factor for criminality. Other factors are. You are still a bone headed racist piece of shit.
 
Flaming Pie

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UncleBuck said:
ya mean, the same bill that 2/3 of the black congressional caucus voted for, and which hillary did not vote for?

that was a "law and order" bill, by the way. aren't you brainwashed like a zombie for the "law and order candidate"?

go be a dumb fucktard somewhere else. politics is not your thing. you are simply too stupid.

i don't mean any of that in a cruel way. you just aren't smart.
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So it was a good thing for black people? Hilarry didn't campaign to get it passed? She was a very hands on first lady. You know that.
 
Fogdog

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Flaming Pie said:
The point is that the democrats have been actively trying to remove fathers from the equation. They focused heavily on removing black fathers by jailing them.
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The Republican controlled congress passed the 1994 crime bill with bipartisan support including 2/3 or the black caucus. Congress at the time was led by Newt Gingrich and his GOP had majority control of both houses. To say it was a democratic bill is beyond stupid and ignores the facts. Our justice system went to work and did what it was set up to do a long time ago and it did it's job very well. So, tell me, do you know where the largest populations of black men are held prisoner? Universally in red states. Do you know they want to keep them incarcerated because local governments make money leasing out their work.

You are really stretching the idea that you are a good little christian with your attempt to shift blame away from where it lies. I'm not saying the issue is due to red or blue party machinations. This one should not be a red or blue issue. It has to stop and politicizing it will make doing so that much harder.
 
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