Organic super soil mix from scratch - for ROLS

bassman999

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This last run I got a bad case of mites.

I am bleaching the room, tent etc...what should I do with the soil?
Should I reuse it after some chemical, neem etc...or throw it away bleach containers and start over?

I would automatically opt for the latter if money wasnt an issue.
 
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hillbill

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After going through all that, sure just go ahead. No and you know better. If you must get cheap soil right now, just lighten it up and amend it cheaply to get going again. Can't take a chance here. Gotta be mixes and stuff on sale right now. That time of year and big box stores are changing to fall and winter stock. Good luck.....have fun and blurple sucks.
 

bassman999

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After going through all that, sure just go ahead. No and you know better. If you must get cheap soil right now, just lighten it up and amend it cheaply to get going again. Can't take a chance here. Gotta be mixes and stuff on sale right now. That time of year and big box stores are changing to fall and winter stock. Good luck.....have fun and blurple sucks.
I was just oping they would die soon or not be in the soil anyway, but alas I suppose I know.
Can the soil ever be reused if stored for say 6 months, or should I put it in trash can?
 

hillbill

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I put mine in the garden. A whole ecosystem exists out there to deal with the bastards. I live in a very forested area and the barbarians are at the gate. The only thing between them and my girls is I. Take no chances here.

Your difference in production will pay for new dirt many times over. And imagin tearing everything down again! Not to mention that sick feeling when you see your first signs of new Borg. Again!
 

bassman999

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I put mine in the garden. A whole ecosystem exists out there to deal with the bastards. I live in a very forested area and the barbarians are at the gate. The only thing between them and my girls is I. Take no chances here.

Your difference in production will pay for new dirt many times over. And imagin tearing everything down again! Not to mention that sick feeling when you see your first signs of new Borg. Again!
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Maybe I can use the soil for planting them outdoors?
I am not convinced the house is totally clear yet and my clones are almost ready to flower if done indoors.
 

hillbill

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Neem oil can be real good in the future as well as diatomaceous earth which I keep sprinkled in my area at all times. First inch or two of stem also. Watering your new mix with neem mixture works. I spray my general area with Pyrethrins from time to time....not the plants. Get rid of any towels and carbon pre filters.

I have had incredible wars with them and it was back and forth for a long time. Good luck, fearless and smart.

The way I first got SM was bringing plants in from the deck!
 

bassman999

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Neem oil can be real good in the future as well as diatomaceous earth which I keep sprinkled in my area at all times. First inch or two of stem also. Watering your new mix with neem mixture works. I spray my general area with Pyrethrins from time to time....not the plants. Get rid of any towels and carbon pre filters.

I have had incredible wars with them and it was back and forth for a long time. Good luck, fearless and smart.


The way I first got SM was bringing plants in from the deck!
I have DE and Neem meal in the soil and on top.
I was surprised I got them.
Ill try the Pyrethrins sprayed in area.

What is wrong with the carbon filter?
I use that to fed fresh and clean (I thought) air into tent.

My garden and pets are likely where mites come from.
I wont grow veggies next yr and see if that helps
 

hillbill

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I have DE and Neem meal in the soil and on top.
I was surprised I got them.
Ill try the Pyrethrins sprayed in area.

What is wrong with the carbon filter?
I use that to fed fresh and clean (I thought) air into tent.

My garden and pets are likely where mites come from.
I wont grow veggies next yr and see if that helps
The carbon filter needs to take in air from inside the tent and filter it so as to make the place smell innocent. Needs to go inside. In any case a filter sucks an incredible amount of air and small light organic bits into itself. Thins like leaf bits with eggs or Borg.

Spider mites are all around here and love wild nicotiana. That stuff is all over the woods here. I do MJ stuff early and shower after garden stuff or lawn work. I sprinkle de at the doors and deck and maintain constant alertness.

Got spinous ad will get azamax!
 

tropicalcannabispatient

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i need some advice guys, i mixed a ss recipe from subcool but today is my second week cooking it and i was too dry but while i was watering the ss i was talking to my friend and i put too much water now its smelling really bad like straight SHIT and is too wet what can i do to fix it? Buy some perlite and add it or what? Tnx for the help
 

sworth

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Spread it out and dry it out a bit. I've had the bottom of my mix smell like this from not turning it and so the water collected at the bottom and it all went anaerobic....
 

hillbill

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You could mix some peat and perlite in which will lower the moisture. NAPA 8822 oil dry may help also. Spread it out and let it air dry. Sometimes my mix smell bad for a few days but I use poultry litter and fish meal.

Does water drip or does it squirt if you squeeze a handful?
 

SupraSPL

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After a few years I have had to cave in and add perlite to the mix. I noticed that the ladies in smaller pots were doing better than in the larger pots so aeration is suspect. The old perlite from the Roots organic soil has broken down and apparently the 8822 diatomaceous earth is holding too much water. So I bought a few 3.5 cu ft bags or perlite and a few 1.5 cu ft bags or Growstone GS-2 (thank you @REALSTYLES for recommending growstone). Growstone GS-2 cost a bit more than perlite but it should hold up longer for those who reuse the soil.

Since bumping up the aeration the ladies do seem to be doing better.
 

SupraSPL

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I got a cheap NPK test kit and the results say that my spent soil still has surplus N, surplus P and adequate K. So I stopped watering in fish hydrolysate and started using more blackstrap molasses. I backed down the chicken manure in the recipe and increased kelp meal and greensand. PH was good ~6.8

I also ran a test with a bag of Fox Farm Ocean Forest. The ladies in FFOF vegged up nice but immediately starved in flower and needed emergency potting up. The FFOF soak test showed 600 ppm TDS while my cooked soil is about 900 ppm TDS. My spent soil ranges from 550-750 ppm TDS.
 

hillbill

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Since growing with leds I need increased drainage. Tried par boiled rice hulls but they do break down after a few months of use. 8822 is great and I use about half of the amount of perlite. Seems to act like vermiculite.
 

greasemonkeymann

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I got a cheap NPK test kit and the results say that my spent soil still has surplus N, surplus P and adequate K. So I stopped watering in fish hydrolysate and started using more blackstrap molasses. I backed down the chicken manure in the recipe and increased kelp meal and greensand. PH was good ~6.8

I also ran a test with a bag of Fox Farm Ocean Forest. The ladies in FFOF vegged up nice but immediately starved in flower and needed emergency potting up. The FFOF soak test showed 600 ppm TDS while my cooked soil is about 900 ppm TDS. My spent soil ranges from 550-750 ppm TDS.
I've always been a massive advocate for LOTS of aeration in organic soils, especially the mixes predicated on compost or castings.
i run nearly 50% aeration, and i have literally 8 types in the soil.
each doing different things

i found a REALLY good site regarding organics and techniques employed for container plants
it's easily the most comprehensive read I've found in regards to a properly constructed soil mix
check it out, it's worth reading, even if it's all stuff you know.

http://organicsoiltechnology.com/subsrtates-and-soils

i admit i'm confused about the TDS readings you guys are taking, in an organic mix all that is going to change massively, especially if you are adding teas and water soluble nutrients, not sure what the advantage is of that test?
but i am phrasing that as a question because i'm not sure if it's for another reason or not?
just in my mind i'd say the only time you'd wanna do that would be if you had excess runoff or whatnot and you were trying to anticipate the availability of the nutrients and such, but past that a TDS test on an organic mix is going to be fairly misleading, no?
sorta the same thing with the NPK test too, much of the nutrients won't be detected in that test at all, an example would be that greensand you are adding..
also remember that much of the nutrients is sequestered in the organic material you have in there, the humus/peat and whatnot, even furthermore the availability of those nutrients is mostly predicated on the microbial interaction, and not even made soluble until they interact with it
testing your soil for soluble NPK with these little kits in organic growing is sorta not really applicable
because in true organics nutrients are soluble for very short periods from microbial interaction before they are uptaken by roots. Otherwise they are sequestered in organic matter/humus and cannot be detected by such tests.
or even still if it's a form of slow release nutrients it won't even be "there" (bioavailable or detectable) , examples are bone meals and rock phosphates, crab meal, etc
This is why NPK ratings on compost are so low but it actually could contain potentially more nutrients over time than a typical chelated salt nutrient would.

I'm only mentioning that because it'd be frustrating to make adjustments based on the test results, and have that create an issue or exacerbate an existing one.
make sense?
 
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greasemonkeymann

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After a few years I have had to cave in and add perlite to the mix. I noticed that the ladies in smaller pots were doing better than in the larger pots so aeration is suspect. The old perlite from the Roots organic soil has broken down and apparently the 8822 diatomaceous earth is holding too much water. So I bought a few 3.5 cu ft bags or perlite and a few 1.5 cu ft bags or Growstone GS-2 (thank you @REALSTYLES for recommending growstone). Growstone GS-2 cost a bit more than perlite but it should hold up longer for those who reuse the soil.

Since bumping up the aeration the ladies do seem to be doing better.
ah, funny you mention that!
ironically that was one of the points i liked in that link i put up for you on substrates.
But in specific smaller containers do just fine with smaller particles of aeration because of the overall pressure difference, larger containers need larger forms of aeration due to the larger amount of pressure on the soil, gooood ole simple gravity..
read the university PDF that is on that site for soil construction too
here's the link if you missed it

http://organicsoiltechnology.com/wp-content/uploads/Partical-sizes.pdf
 

DonTesla

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Tim Wilson (Microbeman) awesome microbial tea recipe scaled down for an indoor grow

1 liter non chlorinated water
25ml fresh EWC
5ml blackstrap molasses
2.5ml kelp meal
.66ml fish hydrolysate

Brew for 36 hours
Scaling Tims recipe down would actually be using 1 Tbsp of castings per litre, and a tsp of molasses and thats it, eh? but nice to see hydrolysate instead of emulsion, thats good. Not that I use it but always good to see less metal in the homies mixes.

The leaf mold is a long term deal and takes about 3 years to finish. ..
For leaves, it's almost all fungus rather than bacteria and the three years is no exaggeration. Worth it in the end, but patience is a must for leaf mold.
What about for wood chip compost, alpine fur wood chip compost, if you had access to a several acres of it, would you amend it with a N source, or just give it 3 plus years, so its that straight fungal dom compost..

a lot of my buddies build that super amazing, all in one compost, but there is something to be said for having fungal based, thermophilic compost hey. To add to a mix thats already amended nicely, it will just up yields and help with texture drainage and retention, is that about right, Wet? I have access to a lot of this stuff so I appreciate the different options for sure
 
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