Newbie in trouble.... help please

1st time grower needs help. 2 weeks into flower. Growing in a tent and I run into this. I forgot to switch nutes over when I first flipped but I started on Saturday with general hydro bloom...Floralicious plus...Flora micro. I gave them full strength tho. I know I messed up there. My question is....what is this? Can I fix it...and if so how? Or do I scrap em. Thanks in advance. Let me hear it all as this is my first time.... but plz all negativity keep to yourself. Thanks.... newbie in trouble
 

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Richard Drysift

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Definitely nute burn but they also look overwatered. Your mix looks like doo doo; sorry can't think of any other words to describe it; so trying to be positive lol.. think you need improve drainage of your mix and to do a good flush to get rid of the salt buildup in your containers. Let the soil dry out a bit & then pop them out of the containers. See if you can loosen the root ball & then rinse it off in a sink, tub, or outside with a hose.
Before you do this get some decent soil & add some extra perlite & maybe even some coco coir. Place in a vessel on standby....then once you've flushed the roots gently by hand replant into your fresh well draining mix. Give no nutes for a week or so & then if you want give them sparingly and at half strength or less. Only trouble is this could affect your harvest time; if these were my plants I would increase hours of light to let them veg for couple weeks to allow them to recover. You could end up with stringy delayed flowers and diminished yield if you let them go as is. These are not even showing pistils yet; you can easily flip em back again.
It does not matter much to the plant if you switch to bloom formula when you flip the lights. IMO it's better to keep giving veg nutes for the first 2 weeks of flowering transition and then giving bloom nutes in the 3rd week when they actually need the extra P.
 
I honestly started these before buying anything for them. Just started with soil from the garden. Now I have everything. Fox farm soil. Right nutes. Lights. Tent. These were kind of an experiment. Thanks for your words. I appreciate it. Really.
 

Indacouch

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N Tox for sure and remember your plants need a dry spell inbetween waterings ....and for future I'd always start with quater strength in nutes than work your way up ....quit feeding them and let them ask you for water instead of just keeping them wet IMO
 

Indacouch

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With watering what I usually do is obviously water thoroughly everytime and then il wait and count how long until I see the plant actually droop/wilt then Il just water a day before that .....as the plants get bigger they'll ask for more frequent water ...but small plants don't need water as often as you'd think .......once you get that down you'll be able to lift a pot and know if it's time to water or stick your finger in the soil .....the roots need oxygen so letting it get dry before watering is good thing ........constantly wet soil suffocates roots and stunts growth also leads to other problems root rot etc .....
 

Dr. Who

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It does not matter much to the plant if you switch to bloom formula when you flip the lights. IMO it's better to keep giving veg nutes for the first 2 weeks of flowering transition and then giving bloom nutes in the 3rd week when they actually need the extra P.

BING-fucking-GO! That is the best thing to do with synthetic nutrients.
 

Richard Drysift

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I honestly started these before buying anything for them. Just started with soil from the garden. Now I have everything. Fox farm soil. Right nutes. Lights. Tent. These were kind of an experiment. Thanks for your words. I appreciate it. Really.
Glad to help. Just one thing though if you are using ff soil you probably won't even need nutes for awhile; good luck happy growin.
 

Richard Drysift

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When they have:
A. Filled out the container with roots
B. Begin to fade in color
That could be anywhere from 3 weeks or longer. I don't want to confuse you but this is where organic and synthetic grows differ. If you are using regular tap water you'll see the plants lighten up earlier and then you'll need to give nutes on the regular but if you use a clean source of water that contains no chlorine or flouride additives like RO or rain/well water you can go longer without nutes if you even need them at all. Nutrients are designed for tap water grows because tap water and synthetic nutrients kills off the microbes that feed your plants by drying out their bodies; nutrient companies love this because then you are addicted to their products & forced to keep force feeding your plants. Plants don't need most of what's in the bottles nor do they care where food comes from. They will take what they need from the soil as they need it provided there is microbial activity to keep the party rockin.
It also depends upon how large the plants are in comparison to the container they are in. If you simply transplant to a bigass pot of fresh OF soil each time they begin to fade in color you can shelf your nutes indefinitely. Of course you are constrained by the limits of your grow space too so that's not always feasible.
In my experience I have found it is better to put what they need in the soil before they need it & then give them mostly just water the entire grow than it is to wait until they show deficiencies & then force feeding nutes. Nutrients work best in a hydroponic medium like coco and natural soil grows work best with water only soils. Trying to straddle between two different grow methods is like serving 2 masters & it gets more complex than it needs to be. I say try just giving them clean water for awhile & see how you like it. You can always give nutes if they need it. Sorry so long winded but this is actually a very complex Q to answer & one that I think needs to be said & read by all the noobs out there. Good luck & happy growing no matter what you choose to do. Peace
 
I used tap water that comes throught an under sink filter. Then I let sit out. Ph is 6... after its sat out. I'm gonna give them water until they tell me they need more than just water.
 
I actually have 2 plants in coco that my buddy gave me a bag of. Really just trying to find my way. Bought a sample of general hydroponics nutes and giving it a go with those
 

Richard Drysift

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Doesn't matter because most municipal water companies use chloramine which cannot be bubbled or leached off. Filtration can help but unless the membrane is super tight like a reverse osmosiss filter chances are you are still allowing chloramine and other chems in your water. Check your ppms; if it's low like less than 100 you might get away with your single stage filter.
I understand what a huge pain this sounds like but it's all true. I collect rain when I can but mostly I use reclaimed water from a dehumidifier which is great in the summer. Sometimes if it's dry for long periods I need to use RO water from Walmart which is actually cheaper than running my own wasteful RO unit.
Ph is also irrelevant because it is your mix that balances it; your plants in coco will need the ph adjusted to 6 but plants in organic soil do not because the mix is ph balanced already.
 

Richard Drysift

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Um no you need a TDS but you don't have to get one to know your tap water has chloramine; that's almost certain. If you plan to ever do hydro you'll need it but it's really not a necessity otherwise just nice to know how clean your water is. If you pay the bill you should get an annual water report which will show all the stuff they put in your water supply.
 
I do pay the bills. I have those 2 plants in coco. Aren't those considered hydro? Also, I say your thread dick does dank and bravo....that's what I aspire to be. All organic grown dank. I want tone grow clean chronic! Great job sir
 
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