Ascorbic Acid to Promote Growth

BobCajun

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I've been seeing some stuff that suggests to me that ascorbic acid might just increase growth substantially. First I read in an article called All About Hemp the following.

"2.10 ~ Growth Stimulants
The B-vitamins (1 ppm solution) increase the yield of hempseed and its fat content, but somewhat suppresses the growth of leaves, stems, and seed hulls. Potassium permanganate in weak solutions stimulates the development of cannabis in all its phases. Dilute camphor also stimulates plant growth. Vitamin C (1-5 parts in 10,000 water) has the same effect."

Only the vitamin C part is important but I included the rest for context. The permanganate and camphor parts seem very questionable to me. I suppose in soil it might increase potassium and manganese levels. Pretty toxic though so I wouldn't bother. Anyway, so I started searching about it and the first thing I found was this;

"THE effect of vitamin C on plants was studied with sterile plant cultures. 40 mg of crystalline ascorbic acid was added to the liquid medium. It was found that the dry weight of the treated plants was about 35–75 per cent higher than that of the controls. The differences were greatest during flowering. The treated plants also snowed a much higher content of vitamin C, particularly at the early stages. These results are illustrated by the table below. It is pointed out that the observed increase of growth is specifically due to ascorbic acid, and not merely to an addition of organic material to the inorganic medium, since a similar addition of glucose effected no increase in the growth of the plants." source

That's all I read so far. Looks like it may have potential. I got a bottle of calcium ascorbate so I'll try it out a little and see what happens. It's better than plain ascorbic acid because it's neutral pH and also supplies calcium. Incidentally it also works to convert free chlorine in tap water into chloride. It's pretty much instantaneous. You put about 2 mg, barely enough to see, into a liter/quart of tap water and you can't smell chlorine at all anymore. My only concern is that it may react with nutes in some way. Maybe just occasional applications.
 

testiclees

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On TLG there is a thread discussing the foliar application of ascorbic acid dissolved in (5-30%) methanol / water solutions.
 

BobCajun

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On TLG there is a thread discussing the foliar application of ascorbic acid dissolved in (5-30%) methanol / water solutions.
Okay, what's TLG, Troll Lord Games? I'm not going to spray it anyway, just root application. It works the same. I don't really like the idea of spraying anything on the plants. What were the effects though, in the TLG forum? Or were they just using it to control fungal growth?
 
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BobCajun

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I found one nice little experiment with vitamin C here. Here's a capture I made of a graph. The site is one of those presentations where it zooms in and out of the various parts. Seems to be substantial increase in growth. One thing I read said that C protects plants from growth reduction caused by bright light, known as photoinhibition. That could come in handy, since most growers use very bright light. Whether or not that's how it increases growth IDK.

 

BobCajun

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Jack ass any lot could query " cannabis plant tlg" or " gardening tlg".
I did google it. The troll forum wasn't that interesting, though a very appropriate place for you. The Little Garden restaurant wasn't that great either. Tacos sucked.
 
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BobCajun

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I found out that the optimum Ascorbic acid concentration is 300 mg per liter, meaning 300 ppm. This table below involved foliar spray but root feeding works the same. I guess it's possible that a different concentration is best for roots but everything I've read has used the same solutions for foliar and root. I recommend calcium ascorbate to avoid acidification of the medium.

From Effect of vitamin C growth and yield of broad beans exposed to ambient ozone in KSA, Akram A. Ali and Hosni A. Musallam
 

testiclees

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I did google it. The troll forum wasn't that interesting, though a very appropriate place for you. The Little Garden restaurant wasn't that great either. Tacos sucked.
"trools" No. On that count you are a plain asshole. Nothing of the sort goes on at TLG.

Bro, keep it real your science is laughable to nonexistent. In contrast to the mentally deficient, child like, sciencey games you play the TLG folks are nobel prize winners.

It's not a courtesy when you post those tables. it's more a blight because you are too clueless to provide context and too ignorant to grasp their irrelevance.
 
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applepoop1984

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Yeah, and any normal person would have simply put a link in their post. You like making people do google searches huh? Get off on that do you?
We need more people like you who aren't afraid to try new things on this forum.

Do an experiment, see if ascorbic acid increases wet an dry weight, party cup grows are great for this, alternate red and blue party cups, blue with vitamin c and red without... Keep all either factors the same.
 

Dr. Who

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We need more people like you who aren't afraid to try new things on this forum.

Do an experiment, see if ascorbic acid increases wet an dry weight, party cup grows are great for this, alternate red and blue party cups, blue with vitamin c and red without... Keep all either factors the same.
I've been seeing some stuff that suggests to me that ascorbic acid might just increase growth substantially. First I read in an article called All About Hemp the following.

"2.10 ~ Growth Stimulants
The B-vitamins (1 ppm solution) increase the yield of hempseed and its fat content, but somewhat suppresses the growth of leaves, stems, and seed hulls. Potassium permanganate in weak solutions stimulates the development of cannabis in all its phases. Dilute camphor also stimulates plant growth. Vitamin C (1-5 parts in 10,000 water) has the same effect."

Only the vitamin C part is important but I included the rest for context. The permanganate and camphor parts seem very questionable to me. I suppose in soil it might increase potassium and manganese levels. Pretty toxic though so I wouldn't bother. Anyway, so I started searching about it and the first thing I found was this;

"THE effect of vitamin C on plants was studied with sterile plant cultures. 40 mg of crystalline ascorbic acid was added to the liquid medium. It was found that the dry weight of the treated plants was about 35–75 per cent higher than that of the controls. The differences were greatest during flowering. The treated plants also snowed a much higher content of vitamin C, particularly at the early stages. These results are illustrated by the table below. It is pointed out that the observed increase of growth is specifically due to ascorbic acid, and not merely to an addition of organic material to the inorganic medium, since a similar addition of glucose effected no increase in the growth of the plants." source

That's all I read so far. Looks like it may have potential. I got a bottle of calcium ascorbate so I'll try it out a little and see what happens. It's better than plain ascorbic acid because it's neutral pH and also supplies calcium. Incidentally it also works to convert free chlorine in tap water into chloride. It's pretty much instantaneous. You put about 2 mg, barely enough to see, into a liter/quart of tap water and you can't smell chlorine at all anymore. My only concern is that it may react with nutes in some way. Maybe just occasional applications.

The results are from specific fruiting plants and the relative cross over to Cannabis is going to be EXTREMELY little to NONE!

Cannabis does not "fruit" in the same sense!

Even if you want to try this (useless) experiment out - You had better do it exactly and I do mean EXACTLY as they did! Change anything and you change the result!

The idea's you guy's come up with from minds that have NO botanical/horticultural training is simply mind boggling !!

From the last 2 threads I've read in this section.
I think they need to change the name to ABSURD IDEA'S CULTIVATION!

May I suggest you apply an electrical stimuli to the plants you experiment on! The last thread I read in here proposes that one!

GOOD LORD!
 

BobCajun

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The results are from specific fruiting plants and the relative cross over to Cannabis is going to be EXTREMELY little to NONE!

Cannabis does not "fruit" in the same sense!

Even if you want to try this (useless) experiment out - You had better do it exactly and I do mean EXACTLY as they did! Change anything and you change the result!

The idea's you guy's come up with from minds that have NO botanical/horticultural training is simply mind boggling !!

From the last 2 threads I've read in this section.
I think they need to change the name to ABSURD IDEA'S CULTIVATION!

May I suggest you apply an electrical stimuli to the plants you experiment on! The last thread I read in here proposes that one!

GOOD LORD!
Well, I dosed them a couple times now and they seemed to love it, growing like never before. But I'm not actually going to do any side by sides because I don't have the space. I just posted what I found on the subject. People can try it or not, makes no diff to me. I don't have to prove everything I suggest. It's just a weed forum, dude. It's for something to do to pass the time mostly. If you don't think it's worth trying, nobody's making you, nor even gives a crap what you do really. I try all kinds of different things at the same time, so no way to tell which thing resulted in what growth effect.
 

Dr. Who

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Well, I dosed them a couple times now and they seemed to love it, growing like never before. But I'm not actually going to do any side by sides because I don't have the space. I just posted what I found on the subject. People can try it or not, makes no diff to me. I don't have to prove everything I suggest. It's just a weed forum, dude. It's for something to do to pass the time mostly. If you don't think it's worth trying, nobody's making you, nor even gives a crap what you do really. I try all kinds of different things at the same time, so no way to tell which thing resulted in what growth effect.
Have fun!

My education gave me the answer to your question.
I can spend my time on other things!

I could have been rather dickish with my answer. I chose not to.
 

BobCajun

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Have fun!

My education gave me the answer to your question.
I can spend my time on other things!

I could have been rather dickish with my answer. I chose not to.
Another first for you. Must have taken great effort to resist your natural tendency.
 

RM3

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If nothing else you are removing Chloramine from your water 8)

4.1.4 Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C) addition is effective for chlorine and chloramine removal. As indicated in the compound's name, this is an acid and it does reduce water pH if unreacted with a chlorine compound. In distilled water, it can produce a pH as low as 3.0. It is sometimes used in municipal water treatment, however it's pH reduction effect and higher cost can make it less desirable than metabisulfite addition. Ascorbic acid is added at a rate of 1.7 milligrams per liter (~6.4 milligrams per gallon) to remove up to 3 milligrams per liter of chloramine. The reaction equation for ascorbic acid and chloramine produces ammonium (NH4), chloride, and dehydroascorbic acid. Since the dosing is very low, the resulting concentrations are not a concern. Be aware that ammonium is a yeast nutrient and is not a problem in brewing water.The reaction is shown below:
ascorbic acid (C6H8O6) + monochloramine (NH2Cl) --> NH4+ + Cl- + C6H6O6
A similar dosage will also remove chlorine (OCl-) from water. The reaction produces water, chloride, and dehydroascorbic acid.
ascorbic acid (C6H8O6) + hypochlorite (OCl-) --> H2O + Cl- + C6H6O6
 

BobCajun

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If nothing else you are removing Chloramine from your water 8)

4.1.4 Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C) addition is effective for chlorine and chloramine removal. As indicated in the compound's name, this is an acid and it does reduce water pH if unreacted with a chlorine compound. In distilled water, it can produce a pH as low as 3.0. It is sometimes used in municipal water treatment, however it's pH reduction effect and higher cost can make it less desirable than metabisulfite addition. Ascorbic acid is added at a rate of 1.7 milligrams per liter (~6.4 milligrams per gallon) to remove up to 3 milligrams per liter of chloramine. The reaction equation for ascorbic acid and chloramine produces ammonium (NH4), chloride, and dehydroascorbic acid. Since the dosing is very low, the resulting concentrations are not a concern. Be aware that ammonium is a yeast nutrient and is not a problem in brewing water.The reaction is shown below:
ascorbic acid (C6H8O6) + monochloramine (NH2Cl) --> NH4+ + Cl- + C6H6O6
A similar dosage will also remove chlorine (OCl-) from water. The reaction produces water, chloride, and dehydroascorbic acid.
ascorbic acid (C6H8O6) + hypochlorite (OCl-) --> H2O + Cl- + C6H6O6
Yeah, if you don't use a deionizer or RO. But calcium ascorbate is what I use, neutral pH, and does the same dechlorination if you need it. Not even that costly, I got 250 grams of crystal for about $20. Calcium ascorbate is also remarkaly stable, unlike the plain acid form. You can leave it sitting out in open air for about 2 years before any kind of degradation starts to be detectable. I even put about 100 mg in my drinking water, which is also deionized. Gives it some mineral content and also keeps me healthy with vitamin C. Now if you had high pH you could use plain ascorbic acid.
 

Dr. Who

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Another first for you. Must have taken great effort to resist your natural tendency.
Getting harder!

Lets just make this point first.
In any form of scientific experiment. If you wish to repeat it to gather the same data. One must repeat the experiment exactly as it was run or the resulting data is considered corrupt and it's not accepted. If you use some other form of "effecting" chemical compound, just how do think this will result in the desired effects!

Secondly. The ideal you propose to extend towards Cannabis is already suspect as the plant is not of the same family, not even remotely! This fact will change results vastly! While I can understand the urge to "see if it works". I already know it won't from educational and work background.

Lastly. The above was written for actual information, not any form of insult.

Now, as for my "natural tendency".......You tend to get what you deserve. Today, I'll let you be the ass.

This actually made me feel better, without the insult. Hmmm, I miss Chuck to much!
 
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