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[Hybridway]

The thing is, I've had MH, HPS, CFL over plants and tanks for waaay too long. Started building LEDs ummm about 5 years ago to grow coral, had to figure lots of stuff out, like all DIYers, and really understand this shit somewhat.

And you know what never surprised me? Pretty much anything. Pretty much every light source has performed in the real world how it should on paper, within a certain margin of error. PAR watts are PAR watts, photons are photons, and different bulbs and leds from reputable manufacturers all did exactly what I expected.

Including the latest light I built. Output on a shitty lux meter, temperatures, power usage, it all lined up with what I expected.

So when you say Amare is sooooo much better than a COB-only light, and say COBs have the same gpw as HPS, it's bullshit. I know it's bullshit, because a million photos and videos show it's bullshit, my experience not being overly surprised by simple math shows it's bullshit, data sheets and manufacturer testing from HID and LED companies show, guess what? Bullshit.

And for somebody who grows sooo much and sooo awesome, you haven't even tried a COB grow, but continue to push one brand of lighting that you are having success with, and crediting that success to pretty colors instead of the big ass COBs in the middle of it.

Are you seriously going to misconstrued my wording again? Wow, you're hellbent on twisting words around to your benefit, hu?

I don't push anything. I recommend a product I know works based on actual experience. Do you do that?

HPS & MH over your fish tank hu? Geeze, sounds a bit crazy to me but to each his own. And that makes you knowledgable about light sources to grow weed how exactly?

I had said that any & every side by side w/ white cobs vs HPS I've seen come out to be the the same harvested yield. The cobs were more efficient these growers said by means of less heat, in turn, requiring less cooling. Saving energy on AC & in-line fans. If you grew, you would know that adds up to be allot. Side by sides are the only way one can actually say their GPW mean something in reference to being comparative.

You can keep watching your videos & reading your equations to be able to call BS. I will continue do do actual testing in field to determine real results. Then I will share these real results with real people.

Oh, and please stop trying to twist words around, edit little clips from unrelated conversations in attempt to discredit me. It's real freakin sad dude.
Like I said, kick rocks. You're an infectious disease that really has no business stopping others from sharing the truth.

 

[PurpleBuz]

don't know about that. I just look at the way they grow plants. in my test grows.

I never said that t5hos won't grow well. Don't put words in my mouth. I used to grow with them. Intensity is limited by max tubes you can pack in and the ballpark efficiency is around 100 lumens/watt. White phosphor. Cobs are now 140 to 200 lumens/watt.

 

[Abiqua]

Then I will share these real results with real people.

again....See Sig!

 

[JorgeGonzales]

Are you seriously going to misconstrued my wording again? Wow, you're hellbent on twisting words around to your benefit, hu?

I don't push anything. I recommend a product I know works based on actual experience. Do you do that?

HPS & MH over your fish tank hu? Geeze, sounds a bit crazy to me but to each his own. And that makes you knowledgable about light sources to grow weed how exactly?

I had said that any & every side by side w/ white cobs vs HPS I've seen come out to be the the same harvested yield. The cobs were more efficient these growers said by means of less heat, in turn, requiring less cooling. Saving energy on AC & in-line fans. If you grew, you would know that adds up to be allot. Side by sides are the only way one can actually say their GPW mean something in reference to being comparative.

You can keep watching your videos & reading your equations to be able to call BS. I will continue do do actual testing in field to determine real results. Then I will share these real results with real people.

Oh, and please stop trying to twist words around, edit little clips from unrelated conversations in attempt to discredit me. It's real freakin sad dude.
Like I said, kick rocks. You're an infectious disease that really has no business stopping others from sharing the truth.

OK, no quoting.

I want to just to get this straight, these two thoughts manage to live in your head at the same time, as you've repeatedly claimed:

1) Non-Amare cob growers get .7g/W, just barely matching HPS
2) Cobs should be run at their maximum rated wattage to increase intensity and penetration

And the people pointing out to you that those thoughts completely contradict each other are the ones that are idiots. Who should stop giving lighting advice, and leave the forum. Not you, them.

Seriously. The good news if you are dependable, the bad news is you are a dependably endless fount of bad advice, once that advice goes past "Amare grows well for me." Stick to variations of that. And maybe "this other shit I bought doesn't grow as well for me." Problem solved, no arguments from me or anybody else.

 

[PurpleBuz]

HPS & MH over your fish tank hu? Geeze, sounds a bit crazy to me but to each his own. And that makes you knowledgable about light sources to grow weed how exactly?

Serious reef keepers use MH on their tanks. Corals love the full spectrum wide blue range from MH and need the intensity to get the light to them. Similar issues that indoor growers have with HID, heat. T5HOs are also used, and of course lots of them have been DIYing leds for their tanks.

so tell me do you know anything that your talking about ?

 

[Hybridway]

OK, no quoting.

I want to just to get this straight, these two thoughts manage to live in your head at the same time, as you've repeatedly claimed:

1) Non-Amare cob growers get .7g/W, just barely matching HPS
2) Cobs should be run at their maximum rated wattage to increase intensity and penetration

And the people pointing out to you that those thoughts completely contradict each other are the ones that are idiots. Who should stop giving lighting advice, and leave the forum. Not you, them.

Seriously. The good news if you are dependable, the bad news is you are a dependably endless fount of bad advice, once that advice goes past "Amare grows well for me." Stick to variations of that. And maybe "this other shit I bought doesn't grow as well for me." Problem solved, no arguments from me or anybody else.

You are OC Mang.
I make no claims. Especially not ones that insinuate I know things I don't. I'm here learning & passing knowledge to those whom are interested in my perspective & what I actually do know from experience.

1) Was simply an observation about cob grows & HPS. Nothing to do w/ Amare. It is a fact that i made this observation more then once watching side by sides. Doesn't make it a fact. Just an observation. I also asked if anyone else has seen differant results against HPS.
Why do you try to turn that into my firm beliefs that I push onto others? I'm just seeking the truth.
Keep it up n I'll have PurpleBuz post you all the links. Lol!
2) Was an opinion that may have been a solution to a problem In a thread in which intensity was the topic. Again, twisting & turning things all around. I suggested running @ 75% power & I also listed the reasons why it made sense to me. Again, that was my opinion & what I would do as a GROWER & if I were to DIY.
How come you try to make it sound like I'm selling this view or ruining someone else's sell by voicing my opinion? And you wonder why I have my conspiracy theories. Ha! But not funny.
If you remember correctly, others agreed that what I said made perfect sense because I listed sensible reasons that backed my thought/opinion.
Just because I say I'd do it this way or that based on my EXPERIENCE as a grower, does not make it a claim or a fact.

Again, you are stating my opinions from other threads in attempt to discredit me.
You cannot just take pieces of other conversations, mush them together & say i said them as facts or claims. Wtf is wrong w/ you. Are you young? You're sitting here telling an OG he don't know shit.
I don't know as much as others about data-sheets but I have interpreted what everyone says & applied what I thought was useful to how I grow. Then I have tried to involve myself in discussion. Which often lead to allot of good things being discussed & learned in that thread. Often you & your buddies, mostly w/o hands on experience experience jumps me w/ rubbish.
See, I'm not saying you don't have anything to offer & will retract saying you shouldn't be here. That was wrong. Yoi guys are smart w/ that data shit! But you deffinetly should not talk shit to guys that are legit. If I'm wrong about something outta my league, please do correct me. I'm very open-minded. But don't attack me w/ that shit.
Ok! Rant over. Over.

 

[a mongo frog]

1) Non-Amare cob growers get .7g/W, just barely matching HPS

Wait Wtf is this shit? How do you know what HPS gardeners are yielding? WTF is going on here on this site? Your talking out your ass and all this shit needs to come to a stop bro. I saw you explain in your other post you don't even garden, and now you know what HPS growers are yielding. You've turned this place into a fucking circus dude, you and a few others. Nice job ass hole. Rant over.

 

[Abiqua]

Wait Wtf is this shit? How do you know what HPS gardeners are yielding? WTF is going on here on this site? Your talking out your ass and all this shit needs to come to a stop bro. I saw you explain in your other post you don't even garden, and now you know what HPS growers are yielding. You've turned this place into a fucking circus dude, you and a few others. Nice job ass hole. Rant over.

Dude chill, that was a direct quote from HubrisWay....Jorge Gonzales was just relaying the message. Phuckin A

 

[REALSTYLES]

You're a joke!
I love how you take little clips of what I say & mix them up in attempts to discredit me.
I said I found those results when looking into side by sides more then once.
I also said I Probobly used the wrong wording & try to explain things as simple as possible. Lol!
I do not use many math equations to grow & yet grow very well. The key here is that I grow. Not little things either. It's very important to me That I yield as much as possible. So I cannot afford to compromise my crop in any way.
With that said, I am a much more reliable source of information about things I have real experience with then you by a long shot.
Anyone taking advice from you about anything other then data isn't going to fair well. And then they need to take into account that the data you puke is only info repeated by someone else down the line.
You do not know anything first hand but are all over a growing forum giving advice.
Growing is not a joke. Therefore, giving bad advice about things you don't understand could cost someone tons of lost money's.
You are only hurting others grows & wallets. Never mind confusing them with talk of how you relate math to growing, trying to make sense out of it. Which would be great if you actually grew & could apply these things to real life situations.
I may not be a geek or nerd but I grow effectively & efficiently. I do this full time. Everything depends on my success.
So, how is it that you should be a source of advice to anyone about growing?
Better yet, why are you on a forum with growers at all?
You should kick rocks IMO.

Just stop it's getting old now please stop. What if I was to tell you I have something that might change how you feel about your Amare?

 

[Abiqua]

You are OC Mang.
I make no claims. Especially not ones that insinuate I know things I don't. I'm here learning & passing knowledge to those whom are interested in my perspective & what I actually do know from experience.

1) Was simply an observation about cob grows & HPS. Nothing to do w/ Amare. It is a fact that i made this observation more then once watching side by sides. Doesn't make it a fact. Just an observation. I also asked if anyone else has seen differant results against HPS.
Why do you try to turn that into my firm beliefs that I push onto others? I'm just seeking the truth.
Keep it up n I'll have PurpleBuz post you all the links. Lol!
2) Was an opinion that may have been a solution to a problem In a thread in which intensity was the topic. Again, twisting & turning things all around. I suggested running @ 75% power & I also listed the reasons why it made sense to me. Again, that was my opinion & what I would do as a GROWER & if I were to DIY.
How come you try to make it sound like I'm selling this view or ruining someone else's sell by voicing my opinion? And you wonder why I have my conspiracy theories. Ha! But not funny.
If you remember correctly, others agreed that what I said made perfect sense because I listed sensible reasons that backed my thought/opinion.
Just because I say I'd do it this way or that based on my EXPERIENCE as a grower, does not make it a claim or a fact.

Again, you are stating my opinions from other threads in attempt to discredit me.
You cannot just take pieces of other conversations, mush them together & say i said them as facts or claims. Wtf is wrong w/ you. Are you young? You're sitting here telling an OG he don't know shit.
I don't know as much as others about data-sheets but I have interpreted what everyone says & applied what I thought was useful to how I grow. Then I have tried to involve myself in discussion. Which often lead to allot of good things being discussed & learned in that thread. Often you & your buddies, mostly w/o hands on experience experience jumps me w/ rubbish.
See, I'm not saying you don't have anything to offer & will retract saying you shouldn't be here. That was wrong. Yoi guys are smart w/ that data shit! But you deffinetly should not talk shit to guys that are legit. If I'm wrong about something outta my league, please do correct me. I'm very open-minded. But don't attack me w/ that shit.
Ok! Rant over. Over.

You literally just made the claim that spectrum of LED will improve Terpines? THC content....did you not? literally could not make up something funnier.....

I am wondering what you have other than Anectdotal evidence that will further this conversation....This muthafucka has ruined these threads ^^^^ @mongo.....then any other single individual in the last 8 weeks. Shaddup.

 

[a mongo frog]

Dude chill, that was a direct quote from HubrisWay....Jorge Gonzales was just relaying the message. Phuckin A

Who cares, dudes always picking on someone doing something different. In all honesty that dude couldn't hold @Hybridway nut sack in the garden. That cat is gardening, show all the people his stuff, people learning people not learning what ever. And that Gonzales guy sweats his shit? Thats fucking crazy shit.

 

[Abiqua]

Who cares, dudes always picking on someone doing something different. In all honesty that dude couldn't hold @Hybridway nut sack in the garden. That cat is gardening, show all the people his stuff, people learning people not learning what ever. And that Gonzales guy sweats his shit? Thats fucking crazy shit.

are you off the meds....its a direct quote....and you still are distracting and attacking someone posting a rebuttal of said quote. Ok....logic has just been f ed in the A hole. I guess. Who cares. Geez.

 

[Abiqua]

Who cares, dudes always picking on someone doing something different. In all honesty that dude couldn't hold @Hybridway nut sack in the garden. That cat is gardening, show all the people his stuff, people learning people not learning what ever. And that Gonzales guy sweats his shit? Thats fucking crazy shit.

I guess my 5 paychecks from each light I have recommended isn't enough to satisfy. Get out of here with that picking on people shit. Are you 12.
Lies are being corrected. Thats what adults do. They correct, then instruct.

 

[a mongo frog]

are you off the meds....its a direct quote....and you still are distracting and attacking someone posting a rebuttal of said quote. Ok....logic has just been f ed in the A hole. I guess. Who cares. Geez.

Yes off meds.

 

[Abiqua]

Yes off meds.

I hope its a good ride. Bats and shit in the tire tracks am I right?

 

[a mongo frog]

I hope its a good ride. Bats and shit in the tire tracks am I right?

Never felt better. And you've never been more right!!!!!

 

[sixstring2112]

Im highly medicated and this shits crackin me the fuck up hahahaha.you's guys

 

[REALSTYLES]

Who cares, dudes always picking on someone doing something different. In all honesty that dude couldn't hold @Hybridway nut sack in the garden. That cat is gardening, show all the people his stuff, people learning people not learning what ever. And that Gonzales guy sweats his shit? Thats fucking crazy shit.

But @Hybridway couldn't be humble and he is really new at this and just found Amare and it's like a caveman discovering fire and we are in the future and we have microwaves now lol. He needs to just calm down. Because my 500w Cree Studio 5700k DB will be done as soon as I figure out how I'm gonna mount the drivers.

 

[JorgeGonzales]

Wait Wtf is this shit? How do you know what HPS gardeners are yielding? WTF is going on here on this site? Your talking out your ass and all this shit needs to come to a stop bro. I saw you explain in your other post you don't even garden, and now you know what HPS growers are yielding. You've turned this place into a fucking circus dude, you and a few others. Nice job ass hole. Rant over.

@Hybridway said that my friend, not me. Why are you so mean?

 

[a mongo frog]

But @Hybridway couldn't be humble and he is really new at this and just found Amare and it's like a caveman discovering fire and we are in the future and we have microwaves now lol. He needs to just calm down. Because my 500w Cree Studio 5700k DB will be done as soon as I figure out how I'm gonna mount the drivers.

Ok and your probably right............But he's gardening and the other guy is not. And good luck on your 500w because I fell like i just took in the fucking ass big time with my Cree purchase. Guess I'm way to new at this...