Are cobs worth it?

greenhouse\lightdep growers in my area are already getting hit with mites.

for a product with equivalent quality of Tobacco, traditional greenhouses with light dep will be the future.

But for clean meds controlled atmosphere greenhouses using both sunlight+ artificial lighting+light dep is needed.

In the future 100% indoor will fade, since its really hard to compete with less than a 1.00 a gram.
 
since1991 said:
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I knew my answer would be something like this. Carry on.
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As costs associated with growing indoors continue to fall, more and more crops of more varied sizes and shapes become economically viable. Leafy greens are the beginning, there's a lot more coming- almost everything in your crisper drawer.
 
Growmau5 said:
i built a bunch of blurple strips for a guy here locally. he grows leafy greens but primarily "boutique" micro greens. He claims to be pulling down $500 a week delivering flats of greens to various bars and restaurants. not a bad side bitnis.
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Micro greens get top dollah in these parts. The tweezer chef brigade considers a few grams of fenugreek or basil sprouts a legit veg garnish.
 
ttystikk said:
There's no place quite like a fully controlled indoor environment to grow them, no variables.
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We have a colleague who dominates the very top end micro greens and sprout mkt around here. I'll check in on their techniques. They are organic certified and extremely non-$$grovelling. They also have crazy, high brix carrots that are sought out by local celeb chefs. Their eggs are luscious!
 
Greengenes707 said:
You're a reef guy? coral frags=$$$ right?
The apache guys have some sick reefs.
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I'd love to see those someday.
I was a reef guy, until I made a business out of it and had to deal with clients & customer service. After a few years, the passion was gone and I didn't even like the hobby anymore.
as far as coral frags=$$ , its just as trendy as the strain game. One month a rare color morph is going for $60 per polyp, the next month its $10. Shipping live corals never appealed to me, and the overhead of holding tanks and propagation is not for the faint of heart.

this is about the time I started hating working on people's fail ass fish tanks. this guy spent $200k on his and it was a swamp, until I got ahold of it. took 4 months to redo it. (this is a before pic)

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Growmau5 said:
I'd love to see those someday.
I was a reef guy, until I made a business out of it and had to deal with clients & customer service. After a few years, the passion was gone and I didn't even like the hobby anymore.
as far as coral frags=$$ , its just as trendy as the strain game. One month a rare color morph is going for $60 per polyp, the next month its $10. Shipping live corals never appealed to me, and the overhead of holding tanks and propagation is not for the faint of heart.

this is about the time I started hating working on people's fail ass fish tanks. this guy spent $200k on his and it was a swamp, until I got ahold of it. took 4 months to redo it. (this is a before pic)

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That blows my mind.
 
Growmau5 said:
I'd love to see those someday.
I was a reef guy, until I made a business out of it and had to deal with clients & customer service. After a few years, the passion was gone and I didn't even like the hobby anymore.
as far as coral frags=$$ , its just as trendy as the strain game. One month a rare color morph is going for $60 per polyp, the next month its $10. Shipping live corals never appealed to me, and the overhead of holding tanks and propagation is not for the faint of heart.

this is about the time I started hating working on people's fail ass fish tanks. this guy spent $200k on his and it was a swamp, until I got ahold of it. took 4 months to redo it. (this is a before pic)

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I used to do reef tanks! lots of $$ took me a while to realize that growing at least pays for itself.
 
red vein sorrel/corn shoots get top dollar last I heard.............blue moon acres rakes it in with a small ops
 
PurpleBuz said:
I used to do reef tanks! lots of $$ took me a while to realize that growing at least pays for itself.
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OK that's basically everybody at this point has done reef tanks. The costs calm down once you get a mature tank and stop adding stock. Then again I just had a shrimp die and an algae outbreak. Annoying. But I have corals that are 15 years old at this point, I wouldn't even know who to trust them with. Certainly not anybody I know, or a local fish store.

@Growmau5 that picture is amazing. It was once my dream to have an in-wall tank. Once!
 
since1991 said:
I heard reef guys and that hobby makes ours pale in comparison. Expensive and neurotic is an understatement. Looks cool though.
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The funny thing is how much they have in common, and how caught up in gadgets and temperatures and water measurements and dosers and lighting everybody gets. Beneficial bacteria, nitrate cycles, controlling pests.

But KISS works for reef tanks too, go figure. Provide the basics, salinity, temp, clean water and all the biology sorts itself out by tossing in a couple of rocks from the actual ocean. It's pretty neat. Mind-blowing, really.
 
I remember when Hamilton Technologies got popped in 1989 during the Operation Green Merchant bullshit. They went down and came back strictly reef aquarium lighting amd equipment company. I bought my first 400 watt hps from them. The "Max" reflector. Ordered to my girlfriends grandmas house for security and paid for with graduation open house money. Lol. Good times. Back then they werent playing and if you got popped they treated your op like a meth lab. Much more relaxed nowa days. I was paranoid as hell back in them dark ages.
 
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