Ketamine ~ Any takers ? Why so taboo ?

racerboy71

racerboy71

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StevieBevie said:
Thank you, that is all I am trying to get across. It can be dangerous, and even more so in a street form. I would never want any young people reading this to think this is a recreational drug that they should mess with. People do not die smoking a joint, people could die using this chemical.
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most deaths that i can find record of aren't from an overdose of ketamine, but rather from people doing stupid stuff while under the influence of it, such as drowning an traffic accidents..
of course any drug can potentially be harmful, we like to practice safe drug use around this section, but to say that ketamine use in of itself is dangerous is simply not true.. i've shown the ld50 numbers, and did the maths involved for it and even the maths involved for the ld1 dose, and have shown charts that show that common drugs such as caffeine and nicotine and tylenol have a more lethal ld50 than ketamine, yet i don't hear anyone preaching about the dangers or coffee or nicotine, i'll give tylenol a pass as it's pretty proven it's quite toxic on the body, especially the liver, not to mention it's ld50 being higher than k..
i'll shut up after this post, i've posted all of the facts and numbers for k and other drugs.. of course one should be careful when using drugs, any drugs, and always test the drug you are taking and make sure you know the proper safe dose for said drug.. saying all of that, ketamine is much safer than a lot of drugs out there..
 
StevieBevie

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Coma, psychosis, schizophrenia, brain damage, respiratory failure, death and it's unpredictability in finding the correct dosage from one person to another make it unsafe. Especially because of the chance of it causing psychosis it has never found a use by any respectable medical body other then in general anesthesia in a controlled environment where the person is put under very quickly so they would not experience this side effect. Patients are monitored during use for anesthesia and most often intubated on a ventilator or have an artificial airway in place due to the risk of severe respiratory failure, and it use now in anesthesia is limited. The safe dose has never been determined for any use other than anesthesia, and it has been determined by multiple studies in multiple countries to not be safe for any other use. I can't see taking that risk but that is me and the thread is why is it a taboo drug, well I think this answers that.
 
HeatlessBBQ

HeatlessBBQ

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It was created in 1960s. Of course there is no information on it.
It is still a virgin. Shit LSD is still a virgin and many people still demonize that shit too.
 
HeatlessBBQ

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racerboy71 said:
most deaths that i can find record of aren't from an overdose of ketamine, but rather from people doing stupid stuff while under the influence of it, such as drowning an traffic accidents..
of course any drug can potentially be harmful, we like to practice safe drug use around this section, but to say that ketamine use in of itself is dangerous is simply not true.. i've shown the ld50 numbers, and did the maths involved for it and even the maths involved for the ld1 dose, and have shown charts that show that common drugs such as caffeine and nicotine and tylenol have a more lethal ld50 than ketamine, yet i don't hear anyone preaching about the dangers or coffee or nicotine, i'll give tylenol a pass as it's pretty proven it's quite toxic on the body, especially the liver, not to mention it's ld50 being higher than k..
i'll shut up after this post, i've posted all of the facts and numbers for k and other drugs.. of course one should be careful when using drugs, any drugs, and always test the drug you are taking and make sure you know the proper safe dose for said drug.. saying all of that, ketamine is much safer than a lot of drugs out there..
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We got the people who use it clinically and possibly have never even felt what ketamine is like say its unsafe.

While We got people who have used it recreationally and live to tell the story saying it is safe AFTER doing obvious research instead of expressing One's opinion.
Thank You @racerboy71 for being real and actually doing research.
 
StevieBevie

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HeatlessBBQ said:
We got the people who use it clinically and possibly have never even felt what ketamine is like say its unsafe.

While We got people who have used it recreationally and live to tell the story saying it is safe AFTER doing obvious research instead of expressing One's opinion.
Thank You @racerboy71 for being real and actually doing research.
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That is not research, research is done in a clinical setting, with observation, and with data collection by professionals, and data collected and reported by medical doctors following the administration of the drug, and reports of adverse effects from the drugs. The information is compiled and reported to various agencies throughout the world. Research from all over the world has been gathered from hospitals, surgical centers, doctors. Then there were many reports from when it was used in the Vietnam war on our soldiers including reports of severe adverse reactions to this drug including psychosis, coma, brain damage, respiratory failure and death. I also do not want to feel what Ketamine is like, I have seen with my own eyes it's effect on patients, so I do know firsthand that it is a dangerous drug.
 
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DutchKillsRambo

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HeatlessBBQ said:
GHB is the date rape drug. Not ketamine. Trust Me. Unless You are that heartless of a bastard to dose a girl on anything just to get a nut.... Fuck that is so wrong and gross.

But this story above . . . *two thumbs up* It is amazing ketamine's anesthetic abilities.
Crazy You lost the much blood, the sounds sketch. Glad You are okay now.
Do You remember seeing any light or visions while tripping ?
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No, the number one date-rape drug is alcohol, followed by OTC sleeping pills. GHB is another one that while it can be used, is hyped up more by the media because its easier to fear an unknown vs something you find in almost every home, and is part of daily living. In college I volunteered as part of the safety-walk / anti-rape group so we had learn about a lot of this stuff.

That story was probably 4 years ago, and all I really remember was thinking it was funny lol. You'd be surprised at just how much blood is in the human body, and what that can look like spread out on the floor.

I have had plenty of fractal vision goodness of stepping outside my body into a kaleidoscope of riotous light and sound becoming stretched out and dilated and seen my own emotions from several feet away, but this was not one of those times.
 
StevieBevie

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abe supercro said:
Oh ya wanna play hardball now huh..

Your quote from above that I referenced sounded mildly medical, not like an informed doctor, more like a lackey nurse-aid. I don't think my question was outta line in this context, just trying to establish if you had any medical credentials, which you don't.

Thanks for getting Gary banned. And thanks for getting snotty with me, now you're on my, correct-all-grammar and to-poop-on list, whoever you are.
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I did not get anyone banned. I have talked to no admin about anyone, but if he behaved badly well that is on him. I am not playing hardball either, but I am not whomever this t-bone person is and it is getting very old. You have been snotty with me from the start, so don't start pretending like you have ever been nice or civil you have not. You and your crew only know how to be one way and that is lewd and crude and I am done with it.
 
StevieBevie

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DaSprout said:
Can't we just agree that alot of us that come by HS like to do some dangerous shit. I feel that many points have been made. And I agree. They must be made.
I apologize.
I'm out.
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I do agree with that. I did some dangerous shit when I was young. I also lost a friend to some dangerous shit, so I find it hard to just pretend that this drug is just great for everyone to try because it is not.
 
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oswizzle

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I had friends in the 1999-2001 era that used to go to Tijuana and buy so many vials of this stuff... cook it in the oven and rack lines like it was Coke... they were making mad money until the Scene in Mexico caught on and the US DEA got involved... but I knew dudes that got permanent damage from being in constant K-Holes
 
HeatlessBBQ

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If I were a sober person reading this thread, I would think all of You are bunch of idiots , including Myself.
Being as I am the one who started this thread that seems to be getting a lot of attention.

hahaha
 
HeatlessBBQ

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oswizzle said:

I had friends in the 1999-2001 era that used to go to Tijuana and buy so many vials of this stuff... cook it in the oven and rack lines like it was Coke... they were making mad money until the Scene in Mexico caught on and the US DEA got involved... but I knew dudes that got permanent damage from being in constant K-Holes
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What kind of damage ? Liver damage or brain damage ?
And what if I told You ketamine "holes" are for people who have said fuck it and enjoy experimenting with their minds especialy when the push the envelope of creativity and knowledge? *cough cough*
 
b4ds33d

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HeatlessBBQ said:
We got the people who use it clinically and possibly have never even felt what ketamine is like say its unsafe.
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I fail to see what never having used ketamine on myself so I can feel the effects and stating the fact that it is unsafe have to do with each other. None of the people who said it was unsafe are being preachy. This was a free exchange of info, that's all. The people who use it clinically have enough common sense to not use it personally. But by all means, you may continue to use and we won't give a single fuck. If you become a statistic, good job. If you don't, good job as well.
 
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