California Approves Recreational Marijuana Ballot Measure

[SomeGuy]

It's a complete sham job for the people.

This is exactly why patients here in Cali should vote no on auma. It's only design is for big money to make more of it. Complete sham.

And yes, I am actively out trying to change people's minds to vote no on this piece of shit bill. But I'm also in the group that wants mmrsa to fall flat on it face.

 

[Fogdog]

This is exactly why patients here in Cali should vote no on auma. It's only design is for big money to make more of it. Complete sham.

And yes, I am actively out trying to change people's minds to vote no on this piece of shit bill. But I'm also in the group that wants mmrsa to fall flat on it face.

I took a look at the bill and don't understand your point. How is this a shit bill? Medical MJ would continue and recreational would be added. What's your beef with the bill?

 

[SomeGuy]

I took a look at the bill and don't understand your point. How is this a shit bill? Medical MJ would continue and recreational would be added. What's your beef with the bill?

The language that leaves it open for them to change medical. Also the fact it is all backed by big money and lobbies. You really think w all the corporate Interests behind both auma and mmrsa that either is really in the best interest of patients?

Already both bills place restrictions on medical. (Plant counts, limits on cooperative numbers etc... ). Prop 215 is just fine as it is IMO.

 

[SomeGuy]

Real world example

My town had no cultivation ban. The rule was just keep it away from prying eyes etc...

Enter mmrsa
Instant ban on all cultivation and no discussion. Within thier right according to mmrsa.

I guarantee there will be challenges to mmrsa that will go to ca supreme Court. It infringes on patient rights by giving local cities cart blanche against patients who have the right to grow thier own.

 

[Fogdog]

Real world example

My town had no cultivation ban. The rule was just keep it away from prying eyes etc...

Enter mmrsa
Instant ban on all cultivation and no discussion. Within thier right according to mmrsa.

I guarantee there will be challenges to mmrsa that will go to ca supreme Court. It infringes on patient rights by giving local cities cart blanche against patients who have the right to grow thier own.

I'm not defending the bill, I'm recreational user, live in Oregon and am happy with the current state of affairs here.

What I hear you say is:
Big money behind the bill, so don't trust it.
Lets individual municipalities set limits on growing (also on sale) of MMJ and recreational.

So vote no.

We have some pretty conservative districts in Oregon who have banned the sale of MJ within their jurisdiction. The city councils are up for election and this has been an issue for some voters. It's my guess that eventually, times change and city councils will change along with them. Bans will go away just like bans on the sale of alcohol after federal prohibition ended. The principle here is home rule where appropriate. For rec users, if they want a dispensary in town then they need to refresh the city council. Why not also in California?

I agree with you on the harm done to medical users who are banned from growing anywhere. I hope the CA Supreme Court sees it your way too.

From my perspective, I see the Oregon bill as on the whole pretty good. We are still developing an understanding of what legal marijuana means in terms of good and bad for the community. When the legislation was crafted, it was necessary to put in home rule that allowed conservative districts fearful of MJ to ban sale. We wouldn't have had a bill at all if we hadn't had this compromise. We went from no recreational sale or growing in Oregon to legal recreational growing or sale in most districts. Our more backward districts will eventually catch up. But that's up to local voters. Except in the case where medical users are harmed, so agree with you regarding medical growing should be available everywhere.

I don't know what to say about not trusting big money. That's a subjective area, either one is swayed by that kind of blanket statement or they are not.

 

[Chunky Stool]

Too bad for you then, it's passing in November. 60% approval rating, 39% against

Too bad for medical. WA mmj growers got fucked by new regs. Now the law requires me to join a database that's not even up & running, or my plant max drops from 15 to 4.
Legalization was the worst thing for MMJ in WA. All medical dispensaries are out of business & the monopoly is complete.
It was all about money from day 1 & they lied to pass legalization.
Fuckers.

 

[Padawanbater2]

Do you people seriously not understand the implication of having a completely legal state with a population pushing 40 million?

If California goes legal, so goes the nation

This is much bigger than just you

 

[Chunky Stool]

Do you people seriously not understand the implication of having a completely legal state with a population pushing 40 million?

If California goes legal, so goes the nation

This is much bigger than just you

Fine. As long as everyone realizes that this is all about money. The promises they make about not fucking with MMJ are complete bullshit.

 

[NLXSK1]

Do you people seriously not understand the implication of having a completely legal state with a population pushing 40 million?

If California goes legal, so goes the nation

This is much bigger than just you

The nation is going anyway... It will be commercialized and sold like beer. That is the way of things.

 

[greasemonkeymann]

dude, six plants personal grow. For personal use. What? do you smoke like 12 pounds per year?

I have more than six types of plants I run from clones, phenotypes that I've found that are irreplaceable.
I will not abide by their six plant law.
I like variety.
but that being said it's not something to bitch about really.
but those six plants when they harvest are gonna be more than an oz, no?
I mean unless you are growing with a 60w incandescent..

 

[NLXSK1]

I have more than six types of plants I run from clones, phenotypes that I've found that are irreplaceable.
I will not abide by their six plant law.
I like variety.
but that being said it's not something to bitch about really.
but those six plants when they harvest are gonna be more than an oz, no?
I mean unless you are growing with a 60w incandescent..

This is politics.. You keep that growing shit out of here !!!

 

[Padawanbater2]

The nation is going anyway... It will be commercialized and sold like beer. That is the way of things.

It will be much easier to grow when it's legalized too

 

[NLXSK1]

It will be much easier to grow when it's legalized too

Nope, it pretty much grows like a weed now. Legislation wont change that.

 

[Fogdog]

I have more than six types of plants I run from clones, phenotypes that I've found that are irreplaceable.
I will not abide by their six plant law.
I like variety.
but that being said it's not something to bitch about really.
but those six plants when they harvest are gonna be more than an oz, no?
I mean unless you are growing with a 60w incandescent..

I'm not telling anybody what they can or can't do. I think that MJ should be unregulated. Period. I am glad to be able to grow without concern. That's all.

And that bit about 6 plants and one oz in posession is out of whack. I don't know how anybody can reconcile that.

 

[SomeGuy]

Do you people seriously not understand the implication of having a completely legal state with a population pushing 40 million?

If California goes legal, so goes the nation

This is much bigger than just you

F that. This is about patients and the royal fucking we get out of this bullshit. Sorry but legalization is not worth it to line the pockets of the already rich assholes running things.

Shit is going to be bumpy because a whole lot of us will fight every step of the way to preserve individual rights.

 

[Fogdog]

F that. This is about patients and the royal fucking we get out of this bullshit. Sorry but legalization is not worth it to line the pockets of the already rich assholes running things.

Shit is going to be bumpy because a whole lot of us will fight every step of the way to preserve individual rights.

Its illegal for a healthy person to grow or smoke in California. I think that it should be their right as well as sick people.

 

[greasemonkeymann]

F that. This is about patients and the royal fucking we get out of this bullshit. Sorry but legalization is not worth it to line the pockets of the already rich assholes running things.

Shit is going to be bumpy because a whole lot of us will fight every step of the way to preserve individual rights.

just take comfort in that I doubt it's going to have much funding for the enforcement of these laws.
I mean as it is now even there isn't much.
i'm also prop 215, so it's possible its not going to effect the med card users, but I don't know.

 

[greasemonkeymann]

The language that leaves it open for them to change medical. Also the fact it is all backed by big money and lobbies. You really think w all the corporate Interests behind both auma and mmrsa that either is really in the best interest of patients?

Already both bills place restrictions on medical. (Plant counts, limits on cooperative numbers etc... ). Prop 215 is just fine as it is IMO.

prop 215 is a cluster fuck though man.
the laws are ALLLLLLL over the place

 

[Fogdog]

Too bad for medical. WA mmj growers got fucked by new regs. Now the law requires me to join a database that's not even up & running, or my plant max drops from 15 to 4.
Legalization was the worst thing for MMJ in WA. All medical dispensaries are out of business & the monopoly is complete.
It was all about money from day 1 & they lied to pass legalization.
Fuckers.

So, has there been no push back from the people of WA to improve the laws? I mean, the laws didn't come down from God or anything. They can be changed. With effort.

 

[Chunky Stool]

So, has there been no push back from the people of WA to improve the laws? I mean, the laws didn't come down from God or anything. They can be changed. With effort.

Fuck no, it's all about money. Nobody gives a shit about helping sick people.