Jp.the.pope
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I have a couple male boysenberry hp in the oven right now
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kmog33
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1200 square foot house on a 2500 square foot lot.
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kmog33
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I will start off and say I am the king of the non bodhi related thoughts in the bodhi thread, so I think you're fine...in 20 years I've tried everything I've read to increase females/males...and all I've honestly noticed was that it all balances out eventually...i generally pop 50-100 beans and get a pretty solid ratio of M's and F's...but these are just my experiences, maybe somebody here has a proven method I'll throw some energy into
Bro science, lol. Seeds have predetermined male or female chromosomes. While its totally possible to force plants to swap gender as hermaphrodites, trying to change the genetic makeup from male to female or vice versa via environmental stuff is all smoke and mirrors.Hey bro just outta curiosity, what was yr relative humidity while yr seedlings were growing before sexing? I also get high male ratios. My rh is usually low and im beginning to suspect that rh has alot more influence on sex than i thought.
My theory is this- when males flower they rely on dry air to dry the nanners so they can open and pop releasing pollen. Fwiw, they wont open very much in the rain. As we know, water/moisture destroys pollen. They'll hold out til it dries. I believe the thin skin on the nanners has to dry to be able to burst. Seems to be a sort of fail safe so the pollen isnt wasted when conditions are wet.
This last month (june) was very dry. I noticed quite a few nanners show up in the flower room that month. Some strains i have normally do this. But this time i was getting em on strains that never threw nanners before. Nearly every strain popped at least 1 nanner that month.
It almost seems as if the plant says- hey its really dry, this would be a perfect time to bust a nut and knock myself up. Or when its a baby- hey its really dry, im gonna be a male so i can be busting nuts all over this b****.
Bout a month ago i popped some strayfox gear. Turned on my swamp cooler so rh is really high. Well low n behold i got 6/10 females. Highest percentage since the grand opening at this spot.
Anybody else notice this? Sry for the non bodhi ramble. This is what happens when i lace my joints w bho
It's definitely funny to see dudes try though.
"Maybe, if I wish hard enough, all my males will turn female..."
"Maybe if I add more reds in veg, all my plants will be female..."
"Maybe with high rh in early flower...."
Etc. stick around long enough and you'll hear some funny ones. Sometimes you get lucky but generally your odds will even out to about 50/50 male to female ratios from regular seeds.
apbx720
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Ya yr gonna wanna wash all the dirt off yr pollen before u chuck. Then dry it back out w a blow torch. Then chuck itWe'll see how much I end up with....just fill up a spray bottle with water then add the pollen right? (i am kidding of course, I know its gotta be a full glass of water!) jokes just keep coming at 6am!
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apbx720
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Anybody else wanna second this notion? I have heard both arguments- the seedlings are and are not pre-determined for sex.
Im not tryna argue, just tryna learn so i can improve, but is there any scientific proof of what yr saying kmog33? Seems others would disagree and i admit to not knowing, so thru science i have began testing hypotheses.
If u or anyone could maybe send me link to some proof for what yr sayin i would greatly apporeciate it. Because if yr right, these 15+ bodhi packs ive popped this last year have had some brutally bad coincidence of high males and low RH. Im averaging 2.7 females outta each 11/12 pack of seeds. Which is def possible its coincidence, but severely f'ed up lol its like a casino going bankrupt because the odds arent working out like they should.
Im also having slight herm problems w just abt every cut i have and im running 95% bodhi. I have zero light leaks/problems and most of my plants cant get any healthier, so wheres the stress idk? Normally id want to blame the breeder, but i know its not because i dnt hear alot of other people w my problem Im pretty sure its environmental. Perhaps also another coincadink (herms and high male ratio). And most of u guys, id imagine, dont live in a super dry arid desert either. Either way i guess time will tell more
apbx720
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Right but what is the RH normally where yr growing? Does it stay at 10% or lower for months at a time?I will start off and say I am the king of the non bodhi related thoughts in the bodhi thread, so I think you're fine...in 20 years I've tried everything I've read to increase females/males...and all I've honestly noticed was that it all balances out eventually...i generally pop 50-100 beans and get a pretty solid ratio of M's and F's...but these are just my experiences, maybe somebody here has a proven method I'll throw some energy into
kmog33
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With dioecious plants, as with humans, where there are two sexes And one is required to make the other, sex is predetermined at pollination, like conception.
It's a little more complicated than that, but that's the gist of it. Here's more of you want to read about it.
http://www.nature.com/hdy/journal/v88/n2/full/6800016a.html
It's science, not opinion.
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kmog33
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Thats cool, but wiki is not the most accurate/reliable source of info. Here's some more. And there is some info about what you are talking about, but it states it has not been proven in any field environment. It also seems to state that environmental factors can effect offspring produced, not determine a plants gender after being sprouted.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC159810/pdf/010737.pdf
http://m.pnas.org/content/105/31/10847.full
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kmog33
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So this is at the bottom of the section of your link regarding what you were talking about.
"Environmental sex determination is known to occur in a variety of species.[125] Many researchers have suggested that sex in Cannabis is determined or strongly influenced by environmental factors.[114] Ainsworth reviews that treatment with auxin and ethylene have feminizing effects, and that treatment with cytokinins and gibberellins have masculinizing effects.[108] It has been reported that sex can be reversed in Cannabis using chemical treatment.[126] A PCR-based method for the detection of female-associated DNA polymorphisms by genotyping has been developed.[127]"
"Suggested" being one of the key words. There is literally no scientific proof of any of that and it has only been shown in various varieties of hemp. It's has been proven unreliable with pistillate cannabis plants.
If you follow the source it's not really on point either. But the more elaborate info I've found on it says the environmental effect is more on offspring than plants that already exist.
They're also taking about reversing with chemicals, which we know is possible.
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"Environmental sex determination is known to occur in a variety of species.[125] Many researchers have suggested that sex in Cannabis is determined or strongly influenced by environmental factors.[114] Ainsworth reviews that treatment with auxin and ethylene have feminizing effects, and that treatment with cytokinins and gibberellins have masculinizing effects.[108] It has been reported that sex can be reversed in Cannabis using chemical treatment.[126] A PCR-based method for the detection of female-associated DNA polymorphisms by genotyping has been developed.[127]"
"Suggested" being one of the key words. There is literally no scientific proof of any of that and it has only been shown in various varieties of hemp. It's has been proven unreliable with pistillate cannabis plants.
If you follow the source it's not really on point either. But the more elaborate info I've found on it says the environmental effect is more on offspring than plants that already exist.
They're also taking about reversing with chemicals, which we know is possible.
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JDGreen
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Honestly. In my experience. Its just me, but ive always thought. Even if environment was effecting my gender results it couldnt b that much. Ive at b least used different trainging, different light, temp, rh, soils(organic and basically enmpy soil), different pot sizes and distamce from light. Im sure theres others stuff but evem trying all different environments and tweeks nothing has shown im still getting between 40-60% females over several seeds pops.
JDGreen
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Also im sure some of u have also experimented so lemme ask u guys ur results in this teat im doing.
So im comparing high P bat guano vs high P seabird guano vs 1/2 and 1/2 and 3/4 to 1/4 amd reversed 1/4to 3/4.
Honestly i havent seen much difference if any. The sample size has been small. But still hoped to notice something. Also used granular vs powderd(pulverized)
So im comparing high P bat guano vs high P seabird guano vs 1/2 and 1/2 and 3/4 to 1/4 amd reversed 1/4to 3/4.
Honestly i havent seen much difference if any. The sample size has been small. But still hoped to notice something. Also used granular vs powderd(pulverized)
kmog33
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as far as I can find, there is no scientific data showing that female cannabis can be affected after germination to reverse gender, there's some claims of very specific hemp strains that some people say there MIGHT be some environmental factors. Again though, no testing or scientific proof for the claim, actually there has been proof otherwise with cannabis varieties other than hemp, where they were trying to produce more males. So IMO it's still bro science, just at the professorial level, lol. No one can prove it, which generally means it's not real.
I think as long as your overall ratios are the same you'll see very little difference in growth. Powdered should be easier to get to dissolve in water, by other than that pretty much the same as well. You'll probably see bigger difference in growth of you change up your whole npk ratios/balance. In my experience, I like high k most of the way through(like a 2-1-3 ratio), but I'm going to try swapping to 2-2-3 in organics this run due to some p deff this run. But it's like with most nutes, if you give the plants what they need/want, they'll be happy, doesn't matter the source of the nutrients or what brand makes them.
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JDGreen
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First, im not say or attempting to dispute the gender is predetermined. Like u said, if u cant prove it, its probably not "true".
All i was saying was ive tryed alot of varying environments and noe have actually made me think the gender results were dependant on any of those factors. So temp,rh, light type or specrum, long veg days nothing...i still get more or less 50-50. So if i had to guess on my experience sex has been predetermined and i can only speak for my anecdotal experience. I havent been able to sway gender with environment. Not that i wont try new ideas, just never been successful so i think its predetermined until i can prove otherwise.
Ur article jusy makes me think more so that its predetermined. But im open to the discussion wen ideas i haven't heard or tryed come up.
Second. Yeah ur right on the npk ratio. The difference isnt even noticable and ur best bet isnt brand but getting the plant the amount of ea. nutrient it asks for.
kmog33
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I agree with you. If someone proves that there is some way you can affect male to female ratios via environment, I'll think about changing my opinion. But in my years of growing, I've seen about 50/50 with regs. Sometimes you get lucky, I've had 11/12 seeds planted come out female, but usually youll get about 50/50 on average. I know someone got all males with their bodhis recently.
Most of the talk about environmentally determining gender has more to do with at time of pollination, not at sprout or during veg/early flower. So the seeds in this circumstance would still be predetermined, just may be able to make more seeds males or females depending on how you treat the parents environmentally during flower/pollination period.
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Lex Talioniss
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Just dropping in to say this. K thanks.
JebsCrispyCritters
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Hi, got my Bodhi beans from GLG. Back from a long hiatus I placed several orders from several seedbanks and will be posting my results but the shipping and freebies are actually pretty damn good. Anyway picked up some Sunshine 4 and ordering the Black Raspberry and BB hashplant on Wednesday ,the hardest part is picking which free Bodhi strain to get. Anyone who knows the list have a suggestion? Ill be posting my grow journals all here. Peace
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limonene
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Here is the currant list of Bodhi Freebies for orders made after June 20th
Elfinstone (Sweet Skunk x Appalachia)
Strawberry Moutan (Strawberry Dakini x Appalachia)
Prayer Tower (Lemon Thai x (Appalachia)
Barefoot Doctor CBD rich (Harlequin x SSDD)
Bingo Pajana (Kurda x Appalachia)
Cobra Lips (chem 3 x appalachia)
Buddha’s hand (lemon thai (indy & sat) x snow lotus)
The Fuzz (CHEM 91 JB x Appalachia)
Wolf Pack (Giesel X Appalachia)
Legend OG x Snow Lotus
Love Triangle (Triangle Kush x Snow Lotus)
Jungle Spice (congo (pine) x 88g13hp
Purple Urkle x Snow lotus ( THIS STRAIN IS OUT DOOR ONLY)
Blueberry snow (blueberry ind x Snowlotus)
Natural Mystic (Jamaican x Snow Lotus)
Pink Lotus (outdoor freebie) - Pink Panther x Snow Lotus
RM Nigerian x Afghani F2
Snow Temple ( Temple X Snow Lotus)
Dragon Fruit (oldsog ssh x Snow Lotus)
Strange Brew (Sweet Skunk x Snow Lotus)
TT NL#6 x Appalachia
what a freebie list, better than most breeders top strains. I would pick some appy crosses because a)its my favourite bodhi male and b) they won't be around much longer.