Socialist hellhole California moves from 8th to 6th largest economy in the world, surpassing France

[UncleBuck]

Remember, he's a doer and not a thinker.

Also, most Veterans think the VA is doing a great job. My VA Health Care is great!

wow, doer went fucking crazy since he was last here.

 

[Fogdog]

Suck it, Doer

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bill-maher-rips-republicans-california_us_577672dae4b04164640f8122?section=
Bill Maher Rips Republicans Over California’s Booming Economy
“Scoreboard, bitches.”

Bill Maher ripped into the GOP’s policy of cutting taxes for the rich on Friday night.

The “Real Time with Bill Maher“ host said the state of California was proof that doing the reverse — raising taxes on the most wealthy — could actually lead to a booming economy.

The comedian hailed The Golden State, where “Democrats from governor on down control every office and voting body,” was now heading toward becoming the fifth largest economy in the world.

 

[Padawanbater2]

I pointed out that you and Bucky don't pay taxes on your illegal grows (because if they were legal you'd be paying tax, correct?

How do you justify obviously being against the criminilization of pot by breaking the law, yet support the law when it comes to taxation and yet not pay what you owe for your grow?

My grow was legal under CA prop. 215, and I didn't pay tax on it for the same reason I didn't pay tax on the tomatoes I grew alongside the marijuana; I didn't sell it

I have "your photo" positive proof of "your trees" for that, eh?

Eh, I strawman'd your actual position?
Well it could be convenient for you to see it that way as you then do not have to prove the validity of your argument since it's refutation is a “strawman” argument.
That you'd say that with the mountain of evidence IN THIS THREAD of the side supporting your OP using that same tactic in re Bucky's and Babaloo's penis size worship is indeed rich.

You're claiming I believe the government "can do no wrong"

you being a dem devotee think they can do no wrong.

My actual position stated clearly here;

I view the government as a necessary entity to ensure the protection of things like individual rights and personal property.

and here;

Now you can sit here and point out all the negative aspects of government, many of which I would probably agree with

Does that sound like I believe the government "can do no wrong"? I point out the bullshit they do wrong all the time, feel free to go through my post history and see for yourself

You are clearly using a strawman argument

You mean individual rights like the right to ingest something and personal property like money?
They're doing SUCH a good job of that recently, correct?

Like the rights guaranteed by the Bill of Rights

If your standard for keeping a system like government around is perfection then it's obvious why you would object to it since it's an unattainable goal. No system of government can be perfect

The foundations of the country you live in are built on the repudiating of unfairly unrepresented taxation and yet you castigate me for having the same view as the founding fathers?

You don't have the same view as the founding fathers. You have a widely unpopular opinion of the idea of taxation as a whole, and from what I've gathered, a very primitive understanding of the way taxes work in general. The founders were not against taxation altogether;

"I approved from the first moment of... the power of taxation [in the new Constitution]. I thought at first that [it] might have been limited. A little reflection soon convinced me it ought not to be." --Thomas Jefferson to Francis Hopkinson, 1789. ME 7:300

If anyone in this country is being taxed too much, it's poor and middle-class people;

I prefer more enlightening and educational resources for my research

Oh yeah, like Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson huh..

 

[panhead]

I haven't been watching the Cali economy but I have been watching the foreign markets , I'm real curious to see where France & Germany stand in 90 days , hopefully the panic is over .

 

[ttystikk]

I haven't been watching the Cali economy but I have been watching the foreign markets , I'm real curious to see where France & Germany stand in 90 days , hopefully the panic is over .

Hey, nice to see you back, brother!

 

[abandonconflict]

 

[choomer]

You make no arguments other than to argue. Your writing is muddled. Probably because that's the way you think.

It was pretty funny when you quoted the Declaration of Independence as part of the Constitution. It's mean of me to laugh at retards, but I do.

I didn't quote it as part of the constitution, I said "originating document" and if you cannot see the relationship between a document specifying the the intent to fission from Mother England and form a new gov't entity (Declaration of Independence, as in declaration of intent) and the documents defining that new gov't (Constitution/Bill Of Rights), then my writing will be forever muddled to you and I hope that the new bike helmet will guard against future debilitating head injuries so you can still enjoy Dick and Jane books being read to you as you do now.

 

[choomer]

My grow was legal under CA prop. 215, and I didn't pay tax on it for the same reason I didn't pay tax on the tomatoes I grew alongside the marijuana; I didn't sell it

Yeah, like you said Bucky's grow was personal UNTIL I pointed out his posting history that specifically mentions the amount of money he made from BHO being processed for him since bubble is beyond his ability, and yet I'm to believe you this time?
Yeeeeeaaaaaahhhhhh.

You're claiming I believe the government "can do no wrong"
My actual position stated clearly here;
and here;
Does that sound like I believe the government "can do no wrong"? I point out the bullshit they do wrong all the time, feel free to go through my post history and see for yourself
You are clearly using a strawman argument

I don't have time to be a history scavanging butt-boy like Bucky. You allude to it, you find it and you post it. I'm done w/ expending effort in this case.
You can claim it to be a strawman argument, but you are the one posting in favor of taxation as a road to the promised land, and I claim that is not always the case.

Like the rights guaranteed by the Bill of Rights
If your standard for keeping a system like government around is perfection then it's obvious why you would object to it since it's an unattainable goal. No system of government can be perfect

I asked a question about the job gov't has been doing in eroding our civil rights for the past 15 years.
HERE's a good example. Notice the title is "2001-2011: A decade of civil liberties' erosion in America"?

Does that sound equitable to you?

You don't have the same view as the founding fathers. You have a widely unpopular opinion of the idea of taxation as a whole, and from what I've gathered, a very primitive understanding of the way taxes work in general. The founders were not against taxation altogether;

"I approved from the first moment of... the power of taxation [in the new Constitution]. I thought at first that [it] might have been limited. A little reflection soon convinced me it ought not to be." --Thomas Jefferson to Francis Hopkinson, 1789. ME 7:300

If anyone in this country is being taxed too much, it's poor and middle-class people;

It seems you gather incorrectly and poorly, I said, "The foundations of the country you live in are built on the repudiating of unfairly unrepresented taxation and yet you castigate me for having the same view as the founding fathers?"
If I'm taxed when I make money (income tax), save money (inflation), and spend (sales tax) or even give it away (gift tax), I'm asking you when in today's society I can have any amount of money under the high 6 digits without it dying the death of 1000 cuts?

As to the wool you gather, it seems to be being stockpiled between your ears if you think you can say that I'm against all taxation by that statement.

That is true about the lower/middle class IMO too.

Oh yeah, like Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson huh..

I've not really heard of Randall Carlson before, same for Graham Hancock, although you seem deeply vested in them.

From what I see Randall questions global warming/climate change being solely attributable to humanity and I can see how that would get him into the crackpot area of scientists.
But science is just as political as politics as you can see w/ the history of Tesla/Edison and the Pons Fleischmann LENR debacle that had "the withdrawal of many reported positive replications" which would lead me to believe that scientists can be fallible.

Link to shit. It's not as hard as breaking up the uni-quote the reply button gives you.
Please keep your green text to yourself. I think green makes me look queasy.

Now, back to the mutual prostate massage all of these threads devolve into.

 

[UncleBuck]

I didn't quote it as part of the constitution, I said "originating document" and if you cannot see the relationship between a document specifying the the intent to fission from Mother England and form a new gov't entity (Declaration of Independence, as in declaration of intent) and the documents defining that new gov't (Constitution/Bill Of Rights), then my writing will be forever muddled to you and I hope that the new bike helmet will guard against future debilitating head injuries so you can still enjoy Dick and Jane books being read to you as you do now.

how many terms did FDR serve, doer?

 

[Padawanbater2]

Yeah, like you said Bucky's grow was personal UNTIL I pointed out his posting history that specifically mentions the amount of money he made from BHO being processed for him since bubble is beyond his ability, and yet I'm to believe you this time?
Yeeeeeaaaaaahhhhhh.

I honestly couldn't care less what you believe

but you are the one posting in favor of taxation as a road to the promised land, and I claim that is not always the case.

Wrong. I claim that using a combination of neoliberal & Keynesian economics is key to running an economy. When the economy is robust, use neoliberal economics, when in recessions/depressions, use Keynesian economics. This is the formula that is proven to be efficient.

I asked a question about the job gov't has been doing in eroding our civil rights for the past 15 years.

I agree the government has been eroding our civil rights for the past 15 years

I'm asking you when in today's society I can have any amount of money under the high 6 digits without it dying the death of 1000 cuts?

Then you and I are in agreement; we both support a progressive system of taxation. I don't think poor or middle-class people should be taxed as much as upper-class people either

As to the wool you gather, it seems to be being stockpiled between your ears if you think you can say that I'm against all taxation by that statement.

That is true about the lower/middle class IMO too.

Then I'm happy to admit I was wrong

I've not really heard of Randall Carlson before, same for Graham Hancock, although you seem deeply vested in them.

So, what, you heard the theory somewhere, thought it sounded kind of viable but didn't bother to look up where it came from?

scientists can be fallible.

I agree scientists can be fallable, but the scientific method can't be. If you disagree, please explain how

 

[choomer]

how many terms did FDR serve, doer?

Wow....doer must have not given out the reach around for him to be so close to all of your hearts.

If you want to mistake me for him/her/it, that's fine as it definitely showcases that bloated esteem you must need to struggle through the day.

But that assumption, like the many others you make, is not going to magically become true through your fiat decree.

I'll answer your question as soon as you tell me how many men LBJ conscripted and sent to die.

Until then, do your own homework.

 

[UncleBuck]

Wow....doer must have not given out the reach around for him to be so close to all of your hearts.

If you want to mistake me for him/her/it, that's fine as it definitely showcases that bloated esteem you must need to struggle through the day.

But that assumption, like the many others you make, is not going to magically become true through your fiat decree.

I'll answer your question as soon as you tell me how many men LBJ conscripted and sent to die.

Until then, do your own homework.

yeah, i didn't think it was you either. rolli got this one wrong.

definitely kkkynes.

 

[choomer]

I honestly couldn't care less what you believe

I don't have to rely on the strength of my belief to make what I said true, I have your words defending Bucky's hypocrisy to do that.
You may not be the hypocrite that Bucky is, but to decry that you're not after such a gaff is not working in your favor.
That said, It does look like them's fine plants I hope were yours, that you're still well vested in their bounty, and the genetics were as good as the growth.

It seems the esteem we hold for each other is mutual, which is strange as each new post from the other exposes that we do agree on quite a few things.

Wrong. I claim that using a combination of neoliberal & Keynesian economics is key to running an economy. When the economy is robust, use neoliberal economics, when in recessions/depressions, use Keynesian economics. This is the formula that is proven to be efficient.

Efficient for some agendas perhaps, but the Keynesian "quantitative easing", the enormous flood of fiat petro-dollar currency printing of the Fed (that should any other entity do the same is called counterfeiting), and the enormous bubbles it causes in real estate, stocks, bank balance sheets, etc., I do not see as "efficient".
Economists like to think that theirs is a complex and rarefied science beyond the grasp of the common man when any 2nd grade mentality that has a grasp of math knows that you can't borrow against the future forever and not expect the note to come due without failure.

I agree the government has been eroding our civil rights for the past 15 years

A(farging)men.

Then you and I are in agreement; we both support a progressive system of taxation. I don't think poor or middle-class people should be taxed as much as upper-class people either

We are almost in agreement, if I may add that I think a flat tax, without the 74,608 pages (Washington Examiner) or 2600 pages (Slate) of loopholes that, if you can afford the army of accountants and lawyers necessary to use legally and defend the use of, can completely nullify the tax burden of that "corporate individual" with those types of resources, might be a more manageable, equitable, and lucrative source of gov't funds.

Then I'm happy to admit I was wrong

So, what, you heard the theory somewhere, thought it sounded kind of viable but didn't bother to look up where it came from?

I've heard the theory from numerous sources (including academic geology/climatology) that the earth has undergone warming and cooling periods throughout its existence, but to be totally honest considering other academic teachings that recent discoveries of such a vast and undeniable scope have rendered at best, incomplete, I truly do not know.
I do know that I'm more concerned about Fukashima's immense and ever flowing plume of radiation into the Pacific than I am of my carbon footprint.
I'm also concerned about the pesticides/herbicides and the GMO abominations that can survive them that industrial farming is using on a huge segment of land responsible for the sustenance of more than just the USA and how it could be harming the earth as both these resources and the above, while huge, are finite.

I agree scientists can be fallable, but the scientific method can't be. If you disagree, please explain how

I find that claim to be a bit oxymoronic if scientists use scientific method as most are wont to do.
If scientists use scientific method, according to your statement, how can they be wrong?
But if I interpret your meaning correctly we do agree that scientists reacting to the external stimuli not being part of the experiment, like the cessation of funding should the results anger the funding agency, can skew the reported results of their research in a way not worthy of scientific method.

Kosher?

 

[UncleBuck]

jesusfuck, is this rabid baboon still crying about me?

 

[choomer]

yeah, i didn't think it was you either. rolli got this one wrong.

definitely kkkynes.

Think what you like.
You will anyway and 94K+ of history proves no amount of evidence or reason will sway you.

But you, being of stellar intellect AND having an in w/ the site admin/mods could prove that above assumption, correct?

A transaction log of all site access is a standard part of any web serving platform and w/ judicious use of grep and sed (or better yet, SQL query) you'll know every IP doer, kkkynes, or I accessed this site and log in from, any content posted, and the originating country.
Not exactly rocket science, but not finger painting either.

Get them to buy a real certificate for HTTPS and it narrows the field considerably!
I'd expect as much from a site so concerned with it's security it uses DOSarrest proxy.

Go, fetch!

Until then, are you going to answer my question now or do you believe that questioning is only viable when it originates from you?

 

[UncleBuck]

kkkynes, or I

*kkkynes/I

 

[choomer]

Suck it, Doer

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bill-maher-rips-republicans-california_us_577672dae4b04164640f8122?section=
Bill Maher Rips Republicans Over California’s Booming Economy
“Scoreboard, bitches.”
blah,blah,blah.

SO...it was too much for you to read or understand my last post to you and decided to hop aboard the Bucky/rolli masquerade train, eh?

Yup, you go girl.

But if you want to trot out a pontificating entertainment figure whose opinion I grudgingly admit to respecting a good part of the time, try Jon Stewart.

 

[choomer]

*kkkynes/I

Last post said it all.

Prove it feminine canine, or consider that you've lost your entertainment value and claim to higher mental function.

Since you're a window setter, think of it as trying to fit a window into framing that is too small, capiche?

 

[UncleBuck]

Last post said it all.

Prove it feminine canine, or consider that you've lost your entertainment value and claim to higher mental function.

Since you're a window setter, think of it as trying to fit a window into framing that is too small, capiche?

side to side, i would just make an egress cutback. kind of a pain in the ass, but that's why we get paid more for those.

up and down, i can simply knock out the sill plate and reframe.

we actually do this stuff all the time.

 

[choomer]

side to side, i would just make an egress cutback. kind of a pain in the ass, but that's why we get paid more for those.

up and down, i can simply knock out the sill plate and reframe.

we actually do this stuff all the time.

Exactly, you adjust the environment for your product.
Get it yet?