Pruning in Flower Cycle

[KryptoBud]

Actually yes, thats exactly what happens. Well not use less nutreints but root pruning plants removes older less efficient roots and replaces them with brand new healther roots and finer feeder roots. Tap roots hold a plant upright, thats thier only function. Fine hairy feeder roots are what takes up water and nutrients. This is true with all plants. I repot, rootprune, plants every spring, every year. Cannabis however is a crop and generally grows 6 months or less so theres no bennefit to root pruning. However if you were going to keep that plant growing long term, which can be done, you would have to root prune the plant once a year or it would become rootbound. But the answer to that is actually yes, but I get what you are trying to say. I defoliate trident maples twice a year and it stresses the plant for a couple weeks but does zero harm long term. Cannabis cultivation and bonsai training is very similar.

How much do you harvest from a trident maple?

 

[Resinhound]

The people that are saying a massive root system will make up for the loss of leaves are TOTALLY clueless... Im sorry but yes clueless. Roots cannot perform the function of leaves..

Think people... Leaves have a damn purpose, photosynthesis is kinda a big deal yo..

Same dumbass arguments for defoilating that is totally scientifically without merit..

1.So buds can get light (bullshit)
2.To force plants to grow buds (bullshit)
3.Because leaves use energy that can be used to grow buds(bullshit)

And on and on Bullshit...

 

[Budley Doright]

You cannot compare cannabis to tomatoes. They are different species, one fruits and one flowers. It take A LOT more energy to produce large watery fruits than it does to produce flowers. There are even many strains of cannabis that automatically drop all thier sun leaves 3-4 weeks into flower. Guess what happens, the buds still grow and pack on most of thier mass, weight, and density in the last 2-3 weeks of flower. This is proof that the large sun leaves are not needed anymore. Once this far along the bud/sugar leaves collect light and produce energy for the flowers. Bud you also need a very strong healthy plant/s with a large healthy root system and a full nutrient program since most are being grown in artificial conditions. This is where the advanced products come into play that many people think are a waste of money. Huge misconception. Also cannibis is one plant that actually grows healthier and produces better in artifical conditions. Its almost like cannabis was meant for growing indoors but its actually because the equipment used is designed to give plants exactly what they need without all the harshness of outdoor environments. This is also why there are many strains that produce larger yields and more potency indoors than out. There are strains that produce 150-300g outdoors but 550-600g indoors! Anyway, once cannabis is 3-4 weeks into flower the large sun leaves arent need IF plants are healthy, conditions are met, and feeding programs provide all the elements plants use in nature. Another thing to concider is, if you are getting sufficent light penetration all the way through your plants and your not getting any discolored leaves down low there is no reason to remove the leaves to begin with. Once leaves go pale green they are producing nothing to the plant and should be removed before yellowing and falling off to keep bugs and disease down. One thn

 

[chronicals77]

I never said by week 3 all the leaves fall off at once, one day all the leaves are there and nice and green and the next day poof there all on the ground. I never said that. By weeks 3-4 leaves on some strains begin turning yellow and start falling off. It takes 2-3 weeks but some strains DO NOT hold thier large fan leaves all the way to harvest. If youve never seen this you havent grown as many plants as you think you have. There are actually many strains that drop near all of thier fan leaves by the last few weeks of flower. This is because they arent needed anymore. I was warned that most of these forums are a joke but Jesus Christ some of the shit people say and ask is just plain ignorance. Do want you want, believe what you want, your all pro's that grow tbe best shit in the world and theres no intelligent conversation to be had with know it alls and im not speaking about all of you. Id think 23 years in horticulture I hope I know a little bit of something. Guess not!

 

[chronicals77]

A massive root system with masses of ramified fine feeder roots incourages ramification in the branching, takes in a lot more water and nutrients and results in a lot more large even sized cola's all over the plant. Also when you have a large healthy root system and you provide ample nutrients the leaves dont have to work as hard producing carbs. This is why plants indoors are healthier than nost plants in the wild.

 

[Resinhound]

A massive root system with masses of ramified fine feeder roots incourages ramification in the branching, takes in a lot more water and nutrients and results in a lot more large even sized cola's all over the plant. Also when you have a large healthy root system and you provide ample nutrients the leaves dont have to work as hard producing carbs. This is why plants indoors are healthier than nost plants in the wild.

Roots cannot perform the function of leaves, I don't care how you try to spin this.. Thats pure Bullshit.

I don't care how massive your root system is, roots cannot perform the function of leaves, therefore cannot compensate for the loss of them. Removing leaves limits the plants ability to transpire, thereby limiting the ability of your massive root system.

 

[chronicals77]

Just began week 4 flower. 16 massive cola's all 18" each, one plant. I think I might know a little something about plants, then again this plant may be growing itself. Im not saying roots and leaves do the exact same job but the healthier the plant and roots the more nutrients it can consume and it makes the work load lighter. The plants dont have to work as hard producing food to mantain the plant. Grow two plants and feed one and not the other then tell me nutrients dont play a large part. Also the better quality nutrients the better the plant will grow.

 

[chronicals77]

How much do you harvest from a trident maple?

A LOT but its kinda harsh though. lol.

 

[Resinhound]

Just began week 4 flower. 16 massive cola's all 18" each, one plant. I think I might know a little something about plants, then again this plant may be growing itself. Im not saying roots and leaves do the exact same job but the healthier the plant and roots the more nutrients it can consume and it makes the work load lighter. The plants dont have to work as hard producing food to mantain the plant. Grow two plants and feed one and not the other then tell me nutrients dont play a large part. Also the better quality nutrients the better the plant will grow.

I never said nutrients don't play a part in plant growth, I merely said you can't cut the leaves off your plant and say... OH well i got a nice root system, I don't need leaves. Thats just dumb.

And by the way this is a growers forum alot of people grow nice plants here...

Quality of nutrients huh...riiight.

Ps04 is Ps04.. This is what the plant actually takes up bro. This just proves one thing.

Anyone can grow a nice cannabis plant without knowing anything about chemistry or botany. But it doesn't mean you actually know what's going on.

 

[chronicals77]

I never said nutrients don't play are part in plant growth, I merely said you can't cut the leaves off your plant and say... OH well i got a nice root system, I don't need leaves. Thats just dumb.

And by the way this is a growers forum alot of people grow nice plants here...

Quality of nutrients huh...riiight.

Ps04 is Ps04.. This is what the plant actually takes up bro. This just proves one thing.

Anyone can grow a nice cannabis plant without knowing anything about chemistry or botany. But it doesn't mean you actually know what's going on.

I dont see many plants accross these forums with these results in 4 weeks veg/3.2 weeks flower. Everyone says I cant pull 2lbs off one plant either but they arent here where I am seeing in person. I also never said that you can just go pulling all the leaves off the day week 3 hits and the roots ect will make up for it. You dont see the leaves pulled off this plant do you? I dont need to because I get light penetration all the way to the bucket the plant is growing in. Go back and read everything I wrote. You dont just go yanking all the leaves off just because. There needs to be a method behind the madness, BUT a healthy strong plant WILL make up for the loss and little bit of stress. You also dont remove them all, you always leave any fan leaves that are directly exposed to the light. I do not mean when the leaves are removed the roots are going to magically transform and retain the function of the leaves. Come on Man. The plant will recover(very quickly if its healthy) and will make up for the loss.

 

[Budley Doright]

I never said by week 3 all the leaves fall off at once, one day all the leaves are there and nice and green and the next day poof there all on the ground. I never said that. By weeks 3-4 leaves on some strains begin turning yellow and start falling off. It takes 2-3 weeks but some strains DO NOT hold thier large fan leaves all the way to harvest. If youve never seen this you havent grown as many plants as you think you have. There are actually many strains that drop near all of thier fan leaves by the last few weeks of flower. This is because they arent needed anymore. I was warned that most of these forums are a joke but Jesus Christ some of the shit people say and ask is just plain ignorance. Do want you want, believe what you want, your all pro's that grow tbe best shit in the world and theres no intelligent conversation to be had with know it alls and im not speaking about all of you. Id think 23 years in horticulture I hope I know a little bit of something. Guess not!

I have not seen an indoor plant at 3 weeks that started to drop leaves and yellow up unless there was an issue but haven't seen em all. I also don't care how people grow their plants be it pulling leaves, flushing, or collecting pretty bottles of AN. I do think it's great that people share their knowledge and try different stuff, sharing the results here is great. I have tried many different ways of pulling leaves and my own experience is it does not help me. This topic (asked over and over again lol) has always brought out the worst on all sites not just here lol. Yes it is to bad that sharing thoughts can get you attacked but it is kind of interesting none the less .

 

[SPLFreak808]

I was warned that most of these forums are a joke but Jesus Christ some of the shit people say and ask is just plain ignorance. Do want you want, believe what you want, your all pro's that grow tbe best shit in the world and theres no intelligent conversation to be had with know it alls and im not speaking about all of you. Id think 23 years in horticulture I hope I know a little bit of something. Guess not!

Please stay, you aren't the only one with this train of thought here so dont judge a million user forum just by a few users.

Plenty here have pulled 2lbs from single plants but guess what, the entire plant is HUGE taking up a load of space and electricity with months of veg time that most cab/tent growers can only dream of.

 

[chronicals77]

Theres actually 24 cola's on this plant but only 16 of them are equally 18" long, the others vary between 14-16". Had I ScroG'ed it(which I wish I would have) all the colas would be the same length.

 

[KryptoBud]

"You cannot compare cannabis to tomatoes. They are different species, one fruits and one flowers. It take A LOT more energy to produce large watery fruits than it does to produce flowers."

"I defoliate trident maples twice a year and it stresses the plant for a couple weeks but does zero harm long term. Cannabis cultivation and bonsai training is very similar."

Apples to oranges?

 

[chronicals77]

Please stay, you aren't the only one with this train of thought here so dont judge a million user forum just by a few users.

Plenty here have pulled 2lbs from single plants but guess what, the entire plant is HUGE taking up a load of space and electricity with months of veg time that most cab/tent growers can only dream of.

Now see I dont get the months of veg thing because this plant was veg'd 4 weeks. Thats a 4x4 tent and the plant is almost touching on all 4 sides. Two sides are touching. 4w veg, 3.2w flower. 1000w, DWC, full GH line nute plus Silica, CalMag, and Hydroguard. Thank you for the encouragement to stay. The very day, and the very first post I was attacked by what seemed like some kid. Two days later after I made the comment people like this should be warned then removed from the site if they continue to behave this way the mod posted and said attacks wont be tollerated and people should be able to debate respecfully. Not be told your dont know shit, or this or that is BS, and what have you.

 

[chronicals77]

"You cannot compare cannabis to tomatoes. They are different species, one fruits and one flowers. It take A LOT more energy to produce large watery fruits than it does to produce flowers."

"I defoliate trident maples twice a year and it stresses the plant for a couple weeks but does zero harm long term. Cannabis cultivation and bonsai training is very similar."

Apples to oranges?

Was just trying to make a general point about plants.

 

[KryptoBud]

The people that are saying a massive root system will make up for the loss of leaves are TOTALLY clueless... Im sorry but yes clueless. Roots cannot perform the function of leaves..

Think people... Leaves have a damn purpose, photosynthesis is kinda a big deal yo..

Same dumbass arguments for defoilating that is totally scientifically without merit..

1.So buds can get light (bullshit)
2.To force plants to grow buds (bullshit)
3.Because leaves use energy that can be used to grow buds(bullshit)

And on and on Bullshit...

Whats next, you gonna tell us we don't have to flush for 3 weeks?

P.S. Does anyone know if defoliation cuts down on flush time?

 

[Resinhound]

Now see I dont get the months of veg thing because this plant was veg'd 4 weeks. Thats a 4x4 tent and the plant is almost touching on all 4 sides. Two sides are touching. 4w veg, 3.2w flower. 1000w, DWC, full GH line nute plus Silica, CalMag, and Hydroguard. Thank you for the encouragement to stay. The very day, and the very first post I was attacked by what seemed like some kid. Two days later after I made the comment people like this should be warned then removed from the site if they continue to behave this way the mod posted and said attacks wont be tollerated and people should be able to debate respecfully. Not be told your dont know shit, or this or that is BS, and what have you.

Well when you come in all arrogant spouting off about 18in colas like you are the only one that can do it, it kinda brings on the controversy. Maybe you should try stroking your ego less, just saying it might help with the reception you get in the future.

 

[SPLFreak808]

Now see I dont get the months of veg thing because this plant was veg'd 4 weeks. Thats a 4x4 tent and the plant is almost touching on all 4 sides. Two sides are touching. 4w veg, 3.2w flower. 1000w, DWC, full GH line nute plus Silica, CalMag, and Hydroguard. Thank you for the encouragement to stay. The very day, and the very first post I was attacked by what seemed like some kid. Two days later after I made the comment people like this should be warned then removed from the site if they continue to behave this way the mod posted and said attacks wont be tollerated and people should be able to debate respecfully. Not be told your dont know shit, or this or that is BS, and what have you.

Let me ask you, what do you think this time wreck yielded? It was in a 120 gallon outdoors its whole life. 6ft tall and 5ft wide not including the pot only 5 weeks in at the time

 

[Budley Doright]

Let me ask you, what do you think this time wreck yielded? It was in a 120 gallon outdoors its whole life. 6ft tall and 5ft wide not including the pot only 5 weeks in at the timeView attachment 3723081

Bout a pound . Seriously though outdoor IMO can way outperform indoor but never had.a 16' ceiling to test my theory lol. With my gorilla grows I get a bit more than indoors but a way longer veg. and they get neglected from time to time .