California Approves Recreational Marijuana Ballot Measure

bluntmassa1

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Regulations will more than likely get stricter for patients. Example i seen where it says we can posess up to an ounce......well i can legally ride with half an elbow right now as a patient...
It is bullshit but we need to start somewhere eventually it will get better unless you are making all of your money out of a 4k watt grow.

Really indoor alone is going to take the biggest hit as you do a damn good job outdoors indoors won't touch it.
 

NLXSK1

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Yea he wants to save people money by lining his own pockets. Selling them bull shit. Again canabis is already legal in California. Unbelievable how you want the government to control everything we do.
Explain how you can possibly demonstrate that accusation...

He wants to sell people products that save them money. Sounds criminal!!
 

a mongo frog

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Explain how you can possibly demonstrate that accusation...

He wants to sell people products that save them money. Sounds criminal!!
I cant I'm sorry. I might of been wrong there, however in my view the dudes a pice of shit. The bottom of post 30 is where i finally came to a conclusion on that. Before post 30 I wasn't sure, thought he probably was but wasn't sure. Again these are just thoughts I'm having.
 

Rob Roy

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Do you frequently go places where you need to carry more than an ounce of dope? Do you carry a keg around in the back of your car?

The problem is "legalization" is not the same as a "decriminalization".

Legalization models help to normalize a master / slave relationship between government and the serfs.

If "permission" to grow, possess, ingest or trade in something must first be given, then it is assumed that the
people granting the permission are the masters and the persons being granted the revocable and restricted privilege are less than the masters. This is not freedom.

A straight forward Decriminalization model removes the masters and then people can interact with the weed on the basis they choose. This is freedom.

Restrictions on amounts, plant numbers etc. are to ensure the pigs can feed from both sides of the trough. They still get to bust "moonshiners" and the "authorities" (spits on ground) will be able to tax the sales profits they get from protected and licensed sellers.

The amount a person carries, or grows should be THEIR business.
 
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Rob Roy

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Dang, that sounds like a serious medical condition you have..

Are you really so goddamn selfish that you would vote against recreation marijuana just so you can smoke more weed? You realize they put people behind bars for that, right?

They put people behind bars for all kinds of malum prohibitum (because we say so laws) .

The new proposed law isn't going to address that. It's going to advance the idea that "rights" are really privileges from Nanny.

If you owned yourself, you would know shifting a right to a revocable and limited privilege is not really a positive, since it reinforces the mindset that somebody else OWNS your choices.

The proposed law is ANTI-FREEDOM and pro master / slave. It just features a kinder master.

Why do you want a kinder master?
 

bluntmassa1

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The problem is "legalization" is not the same as a "decriminalization".

Legalization models help to normalize a master / slave relationship between government and the serfs.

If "permission" to grow, possess, ingest or trade in something must first be given, then it is assumed that the
people granting the permission are the masters and the persons being granted the revocable and restricted privilege are less than the masters. This is not freedom.

A straight forward Decriminalization model removes the masters and then people can interact with the weed on the basis they choose. This is freedom.

Restrictions on amounts, plant numbers etc. are to ensure the pigs can feed from both sides of the trough. They still get to bust "moonshiners" and the "authorities" (spits on ground) will be able to tax the sales profits they get from protected and licensed sellers.

The amount a person carries, or grows should be THEIR business.
True but it would be nice to have a little permission from our masters so we can at least not be arrested for having a little bit of flowers on us.

I'm in New England plant counts ain't even a privilege in my state we do have medical for cancer, MS, etc. But you can only get your herb from the dispensary's and you can only choose 1 of the 3 in state they also charge over street value so our children don't get any. Lol

To top it off my states motto is Live Free or Die. I guess they just want us to die. Lol, but who knows maybe that free state project might actually get some shit done they are trying to move thousands of libertarians in the ones I met where a little weird but not bad people much better than Massholes. Lol

But I got a plan for jury nullification if I ever get caught I give the medical patients cheaper weed than California so they going to testify if I get caught.

Really it would fuck our states stance I'm hooking up people on disability that can't afford street value let alone over. I think I'd have a hell of a case anyway. Some guy got jury nullification just for claiming to be Rastafarian in my state. Lol

But overall I just try not to get caught. :)
 

Rob Roy

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True but it would be nice to have a little permission from our masters so we can at least not be arrested for having a little bit of flowers on us.

I'm in New England plant counts ain't even a privilege in my state we do have medical for cancer, MS, etc. But you can only get your herb from the dispensary's and you can only choose 1 of the 3 in state they also charge over street value so our children don't get any. Lol

To top it off my states motto is Live Free or Die. I guess they just want us to die. Lol, but who knows maybe that free state project might actually get some shit done they are trying to move thousands of libertarians in the ones I met where a little weird but not bad people much better than Massholes. Lol

But I got a plan for jury nullification if I ever get caught I give the medical patients cheaper weed than California so they going to testify if I get caught.

Really it would fuck our states stance I'm hooking up people on disability that can't afford street value let alone over. I think I'd have a hell of a case anyway. Some guy got jury nullification just for claiming to be Rastafarian in my state. Lol

But overall I just try not to get caught. :)

NH is a draconian and hypocritical police state...which makes them like all the rest.

I can't argue that if a slave must have a master, it is better to have a kinder one.

I can and will continue to argue that the best thing a slave can do is runaway and if pursued and threatened with recapture, he should then use defensive force to remain free.
 

NLXSK1

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The problem is "legalization" is not the same as a "decriminalization".

Legalization models help to normalize a master / slave relationship between government and the serfs.

If "permission" to grow, possess, ingest or trade in something must first be given, then it is assumed that the
people granting the permission are the masters and the persons being granted the revocable and restricted privilege are less than the masters. This is not freedom.

A straight forward Decriminalization model removes the masters and then people can interact with the weed on the basis they choose. This is freedom.

Restrictions on amounts, plant numbers etc. are to ensure the pigs can feed from both sides of the trough. They still get to bust "moonshiners" and the "authorities" (spits on ground) will be able to tax the sales profits they get from protected and licensed sellers.

The amount a person carries, or grows should be THEIR business.
You may not have noticed Rob but at this time we do have to ask for permission.

You are preaching to the choir here. I think all drugs should be legalized/decriminalized and people should be allowed to do whatever they want with their bodies.
 

Rob Roy

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You may not have noticed Rob but at this time we do have to ask for permission.

You are preaching to the choir here. I think all drugs should be legalized/decriminalized and people should be allowed to do whatever they want with their bodies.

Indeed.


The present situation is this...

Slaves are forcibly prevented from controlling their own bodies.

Slave owners use force to control other peoples bodies against their will.


Happy Secession day !
 

MaiNiaK420

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Maine is also trying to pass a recreational marijuana bill this November.
The problem with legalization is (and I'm surprised no one has touched on this) there are people with big money backing these bills. They want to make millions (not just a living) while cozying up to these Masters, in lieu of super high taxes. Unlike the 1800's people are lining up for the tax man to steal their money.
Meanwhile the ones backing these bills, trying to become millionaires, are just going to make it easier (once enough states make it legal) for the government to hand it all off to big business and take it out of the hands of the people.

Rob Roy is right. Decriminalization is key.

We are turning this whole movement into a movement of greed. Not a movement for freedom. Name one state that taxes prescription drugs...... Yet we pay taxes on medical marijuana. Why? So the man will except our bills,

I'm under no delusion, greed will win in the end. It always does.
 

potroastV2

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So just what exactly are you and rob roy doing to positively affect the legalization effort in Maine?

How is it looking, do you think it will pass?

:mrgreen:
 

Padawanbater2

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Maine is also trying to pass a recreational marijuana bill this November.
The problem with legalization is (and I'm surprised no one has touched on this) there are people with big money backing these bills. They want to make millions (not just a living) while cozying up to these Masters, in lieu of super high taxes. Unlike the 1800's people are lining up for the tax man to steal their money.
Meanwhile the ones backing these bills, trying to become millionaires, are just going to make it easier (once enough states make it legal) for the government to hand it all off to big business and take it out of the hands of the people.

Rob Roy is right. Decriminalization is key.

We are turning this whole movement into a movement of greed. Not a movement for freedom. Name one state that taxes prescription drugs...... Yet we pay taxes on medical marijuana. Why? So the man will except our bills,

I'm under no delusion, greed will win in the end. It always does.
Who are you referring to when you say "big money"? Who is backing these bills "trying to become millionaires"?
 

Rob Roy

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So just what exactly are you and rob roy doing to positively affect the legalization effort in Maine?

How is it looking, do you think it will pass?

:mrgreen:
I think "legalization" will pass, but don't think what is presented is the best it could be.

My preference is complete decriminalization. Much of the "legalization" talk features a kinder way of administering prohibition, "prohibition lite" if you will. You get to grow a handful of plants etc.

If the ONLY possible options were old school prohibition or some form of legalization with plant limits etc. , I'd say the lesser form of prohibition is better. However those aren't the only options. Complete decriminalization to me, is akin to freeing the slaves, "legalization" as proposed by many states is akin to treating the slaves better. I want to end slavery outright, hence why I support complete decriminalization.

Besides, most of us know, "When freedom is outlawed, only outlaws will be free". Peace.
 

potroastV2

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The main problem with crafting legalization laws are the cop lobby. Here there are so many that it's actually sickening, and the prison guards union is the largest lobby in California. Then there are the Police Chiefs, the Sheriffs, the Narcotic Officers, the regular pigs, and the regular Sheriffs, and then the right-wing lobbies that the pigs have control over. All of those organizations oppose legalization, so they all have to have their say.

It's a complete sham job for the people.

:mrgreen:
 
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