EXCUSE ME?!..The OFFICIAL Bernie Sanders For President 2016 Thread

[schuylaar]

Do you mean "fair" as in open vs closed primaries? Because that's not a case of skulduggery. It was done in the open and had been the rule since 1982. I'm not altogether against closed primaries either. Because, this is the election of the nominee for the Democratic Party's candidate. Why should somebody who won't even register as Democrat select that party's candidate?

Why would somebody who's not even a Democrat, run as one?

 

[schuylaar]

This article doesn't ask the question it sets up with its headline but it does discuss the issues paddy, ty and sky bring up.

Was the Democratic Primary Just Manipulated, or Was It Stolen?
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/36408-was-the-democratic-primary-just-manipulated-or-was-it-stolen
An excerpt:
The heavy-handedness of the Democratic Party elite -- particularly Debbie Wasserman's actions as party chair in restricting debates, followed by her statement that did little to change public perception that the purpose of superdelegates is to crush the possibilities of grassroots candidates rising to challenge the party establishment -- was called to account even by Democrats. Calls for Wasserman’s removal were not isolated.

The primary process was also one of the most distorted media political events we have witnessed in recent years, with the networks exhibiting an astonishingly destructive lust for profits by handing Donald Trump billions of dollars in free airtime in order to build ratings, even as they deliberately tuned out Sanders’campaign.

If the argument is that the election was swung 12 percentage points by media manipulation, I'm not going to argue with that. I think its quite possible, especially given the different starting points for the two candidates last year.

And it goes much deeper than this, manipulation of exit polls, calling contests before others..to name a few.

 

[schuylaar]

i do.

bernie's strategy was to be highly organized and get small groups of vocal supporters out to caucuses. he did not fare well in primary style states.

for example, washington state.

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those were the caucus results. bernie swept big time by a massive margin.

but in the meaningless primary...

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/wash-primary1/

On the Democratic side, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton beat Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders. She had nearly 54 percent of the vote in Tuesday’s returns in a major reversal — though purely symbolic — from March caucuses, in which Sanders dominated.

The Associated Press called both races shortly after 8 p.m.

While nearly 1.3 million primary votes had been returned to county elections offices as of Tuesday, Washington’s tally won’t have much sway on the 2016 race for the White House.

Democrats are ignoring the result and already allocated delegates based on March caucuses. Despite her win with a much larger primary electorate, Clinton won’t amass any more delegates.

Do you think Stanfords observations are incorrect?

 

[schuylaar]

Goddddd, all of a sudden I got this craving for a turkey sandwich on a hoagie roll.

 

[londonfog]

Sanders takes donations from individuals, not corporations. He criticizes corporate influence in American politics. Where exactly is the hypocrisy? There's nothing wrong with individuals donating to political campaigns, there is something wrong with corporations acting as individuals donating to political campaigns.

So I guess it is cool for Bernie to accept money from Hillary PAC when he was running for re election for Senate, but not cool when she is your opponent ? Can you spell H Y P O C R I T E

 

[Rob Roy]

 

[londonfog]

Your 'allowed' to take money from the people, moron.

you're also allowed to take money from corporation... and do you think labor unions are not corporations ?

 

[londonfog]

I would actually teach my child 12345678. The other shit is nonsense

 

[schuylaar]

So I guess it is cool for Bernie to accept money from Hillary PAC when he was running for re election for Senate, but not cool when she is your opponent ? Can you spell H Y P O C R I T E

you're also allowed to take money from corporation... and do you think labor unions are not corporations ?

I would actually teach my child 12345678. The other shit is nonsense

Oh, you're back..

 

[Rob Roy]

Goddddd, all of a sudden I got this craving for a turkey sandwich on a hoagie roll.

Did you say turkey?

 

[ttystikk]

There is a lot of really good analysis in that article. Some of which is the voter exclusion laws that have been enacted in every red state in this country. Not in blue states. It just points out how low GOP will go to defeat democracy.

What Hillary's camp did was subversive. Using every trick and maneuver available to swing the election her way. That this doesn't always work as in the 2008 election doesn't excuse the fact that this was a core part of Hillary's strategy in both elections.

As far as "withdrawing consent" goes, what does that look like? Won't withdrawing from the process will just hand power over to malefactors? As in 2000 and 2004, staying out of the process or handing votes to Nader, that kind of action has the opposite effect that we want.

Stanford university says the election was rigged. Our civil rights have been trampled by a system that has been stolen from We the People. The police steal and murder with complete impunity. The judiciary branch crawled into bed with the prosecutors and kicked any semblance of justice to the curb.

We can't expect the system to work anymore. We can't give it the benefit of the doubt, because there is no longer any doubt.

This is why we must withdraw our consent to be governed by this totally corrupt system, and I'm honestly not sure what that looks like.

 

[abandonconflict]

I would actually teach my child 12345678. The other shit is nonsense

You should teach them that it isn't nice to represent child molesters in court by demonizing children.

 

[schuylaar]

 

[schuylaar]

Stanford university says the election was rigged. Our civil rights have been trampled by a system that has been stolen from We the People. The police steal and murder with complete impunity. The judiciary branch crawled into bed with the prosecutors and kicked any semblance of justice to the curb.

We can't expect the system to work anymore. We can't give it the benefit of the doubt, because there is no longer any doubt.

This is why we must withdraw our consent to be governed by this totally corrupt system, and I'm honestly not sure what that looks like.

I'm not sure what it looks like either but the courts must be involved..violence begets violence..beating Sanders supporters into submission, is not one of them.

 

[ttystikk]

I'm not sure what it looks like either but the courts must be involved..violence begets violence..beating Sanders supporters into submission, is not one of them.

The courts are part of the problem; they've supported police trampling of our civil rights for over a generation now.

 

[Fogdog]

Stanford university says the election was rigged. Our civil rights have been trampled by a system that has been stolen from We the People. The police steal and murder with complete impunity. The judiciary branch crawled into bed with the prosecutors and kicked any semblance of justice to the curb.

We can't expect the system to work anymore. We can't give it the benefit of the doubt, because there is no longer any doubt.

This is why we must withdraw our consent to be governed by this totally corrupt system, and I'm honestly not sure what that looks like.

nope, not going back to the Bush years and this time it would be worse. Your assessment or conclusions, are just wrong. I don't know how else to describe it.

A lot depends on what happens this fall. We have a chance to take back Congress in both houses. With pressure from the real liberal wing of the party it is possible to make a real change. Bernie and all the eyes and ears of the new millenial left have shown up the system as corrupt and they are motivated enough to change it. Unless they disengage. Disengaging now would waste everything that Bernie gained.

I don't care if you disengage. You seem lost in your depression or whatever, so go off and skip stones at a reservoir or whatever you do when you get into your funk. I'm just replying with my own thoughts, which aren't as dire as yours.

 

[schuylaar]

The courts are part of the problem; they've supported police trampling of our civil rights for over a generation now.

And the root cause is $$$.

It always goes back to the exact same thing.

 

[schuylaar]

nope, not going back to the Bush years and this time it would be worse. Your assessment or conclusions, are just wrong. I don't know how else to describe it.

A lot depends on what happens this fall. We have a chance to take back Congress in both houses. With pressure from the real liberal wing of the party it is possible to make a real change. Bernie and all the eyes and ears of the new millenial left have shown up the system as corrupt and they are motivated enough to change it. Unless they disengage. Disengaging now would waste everything that Bernie gained.

I don't care if you disengage. You seem lost in your depression or whatever, so go off and skip stones at a reservoir or whatever you do when you get into your funk. I'm just replying with my own thoughts, which aren't as dire as yours.

Damn!

So what your saying is, 'we know she cheated, but you need a stiff upper lip..get over it'?

A dem Congress? They take money too..all of them! Nothing gets done with them as well, you can't just blame on GOP.

Obama had 2 years..what got done?

They don't work for us..they work for those who gave them campaign funds..why? Because they are all liars and 'the people' will not donate to the lying candidate.

 

[ttystikk]

nope, not going back to the Bush years and this time it would be worse. Your assessment or conclusions, are just wrong. I don't know how else to describe it.

A lot depends on what happens this fall. We have a chance to take back Congress in both houses. With pressure from the real liberal wing of the party it is possible to make a real change. Bernie and all the eyes and ears of the new millenial left have shown up the system as corrupt and they are motivated enough to change it. Unless they disengage. Disengaging now would waste everything that Bernie gained.

I don't care if you disengage. You seem lost in your depression or whatever, so go off and skip stones at a reservoir or whatever you do when you get into your funk. I'm just replying with my own thoughts, which aren't as dire as yours.

You're completely fooled by the delusion that either party gives a fuck about anything but dollars anymore.

'We' aren't a force in politics. Don't believe me? Studies by Princeton AND Stanford professors are supporting my case, so where am I or my conclusive wrong?

How many of YOUR family members are career Federal government service officers and tell you stories?

If I'm wrong, refute me. Bring proof.

WE NO LONGER LIVE IN A DEMOCRACY IF ELECTIONS ARE STOLEN AND NO ONE IS PROSECUTED.

It's a simple definition thing, bro.

 

[schuylaar]

You're completely fooled by the delusion that either party gives a fuck about anything but dollars anymore.

'We' aren't a force in politics. Don't believe me? Studies by Princeton AND Stanford professors are spring my car, so where am I our my conclusive wrong?

How many of YOUR family members are career Federal government service and tell you stories?

If I'm wrong, refute me.

WE NO LONGER LIVE IN A DEMOCRACY IF ELECTIONS ARE STOLEN AND NO ONE IS PROSECUTED.

It's a simple definition thing, bro.

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