rikdabrick
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It's also pretty interesting to note that bacillus was the only microbe species that was detectable in any of the products. No detectable pseudomonas or trichoderma in any of them.
beneficial bacteria lab results from Oregon department of agriculture
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Chronikool
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Interesting....
'Last year, the program began testing products with mycorrhizal fungi, which form partnerships with plant roots for mutual benefit. Of the 17 products tested, only three met the guarantees made on the product label.'
Any idea where these resultz are printed...?
Im using a product called 'mycormax' by a company named JH Biotech
http://jhbiotech.com/plant-products/mycormax/
loftygoals
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If you look at 2014 results you'll see ZHO has detectable trichoderma. Although significantly less than advertised the numbers are still pretty high.
rikdabrick
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Good info. Do you have a link to the test results from the other years?
rikdabrick
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If that Mycormax is as good as their chelated minerals then it should be very good. I would hope JH Biotech has a good myco product anyway. Them and Albion are as good as it gets for minerals so my opinion of them is pretty high.
loftygoals
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They were linked earlier in this thread. But here they are again...
rikdabrick
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Right on, thanks. I only saw the 2013 results for some reason
DonTesla
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Plants sure move a lot outside
What size rooms u talkin RastaRoy??
Curious how a canna job looks like..
DT
Rasta Roy
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Embarrassingly do not have square footage off top of my head.
I do have some pictures!
I work in some 6-7 light pole barns, 3-5 light basement grows. Outdoor I have pretty limited experience though. I am an indoor agricultural consultant.
greasemonkeymann
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if my understanding of it is correct, myco isn't something that will propagate on its own, without a root host, also it's not going to "grow" much after it does, meaning it's not transient, so where you apply it, is where it stays (for the most part)Shouldnt a good organic soil have teamz of beneficials in them already..?
I dont quite understand why you want to add into an already buoyant neighbourhood...?
Also....there are mycorrhizae products that people have mentioned on this thread...and theres a reason why they arent included in the study.
On a side note on mycorrhizae....i see a few growers that keep adding it throughout the grow. Now.. i might be missing something here...but surely after the roots have been colonized at time of transplant/clone...that is enough? Also if you cover crop and no till..in my mind..there is no longer a need to use it as mycorrhizae is being hosted/present constantly.
Sorry...needed a rant..
and myco is CRUCIAL to the uptake and usage of phosphorus in particular, up to 75-80% of the overall plants uptake of phosphorus.
so a compost or wormbin will be LOADED with micros but just not myco
greasemonkeymann
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who's that tall leggy gal on the left there man?
that there is a nice lookin sativa..
Rasta Roy
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Liberty Haze, it was a cannabis cup winner some years ago I'm not sure which one. She'll stretch long in the right conditions but she actually responds really well to being trained for smaller rooms. You just have to flower her at 2 feet or Shell be through the ceiling.
greasemonkeymann
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ah no shit... the stinkiest smelliest skunkiest strain I EVER smelt was the liberty haze.
a customer brought his truck in for a smog, a couple months ago, he was from CO, and it smelled like a pitbull and a skunk were having a fight to the death in his truck...
Sadly he kicked me down a nug and it didn't smoke as good as it looked and smelled...
but DAMN that thing smelled twice as strong as any skunk strain I've smelled before.
Rasta Roy
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Yeah its not my favorite smoke. It yields well, stinks good, is pretty easy to grow, clones well. Just not my favorite high. Decent though
Chronikool
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Yip i understand it needz a host.
Hmmmm ok... so with the growth of rootz, say on our dearest host plant...that the roots hit a cover crop or vice versa...that will not transfer the fungi onto those rootz and expand the network..?
If people are using to much phosphorus, the delicate fungi networkz will be destroyed anyway right..?
Another question: Should i be inoculating (mixing seed + myco) my cover crop seed at time of planting? Seeing as though i use no till...maybe i should be.
Regardless it seemz only 3 out of 17 myco productz tested are actually of any use. Chances are..people arent seeing any benefit anyway.
Yodaweed
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I inoculated my cover crop, figured it wouldn't hurt.
Chronikool
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Mixed with seed at sowing..?
Chronikool
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Can't find the study on mycorrizae fungi done by the Oregon crowd...resultz might not be published yet.
Found a random article... (massive serach...hahaha )
http://www.gardenmyths.com/mycorrhizae-fungi-inoculant-products/
Found a random article... (massive serach...hahaha
)http://www.gardenmyths.com/mycorrhizae-fungi-inoculant-products/
greasemonkeymann
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I hear ya man, and for the record, I do my myco dusting @transplant, just mist the roots with water and sprinkle a layer of the myco on it.
Again, from what I understand, I belive the myco itself doesn't "grow" much per se, it just sorta expands the soilweb where it is sprinkled, I know that sounds contradictory, but the way I look at it is this, it expands laterally(sorta OUT), but not length wise as the roots themselves grow (and I could be wrong on this)
here is a copy paste
This mutualistic association provides the fungus with relatively constant and direct access to carbohydrates, such as glucose and sucrose.[5] The carbohydrates are translocated from their source (usually leaves) to root tissue and on to the plant's fungal partners. In return, the plant gains the benefits of the mycelium's higher absorptive capacity for water and mineral nutrients due to the large surface area of fungal hyphae, which are much finer than plant roots, thus improving the plant's mineral absorption capabilities.[6]
Plant roots alone may be incapable of taking up phosphate ions that are demineralized in soils with a basic pH. The mycelium of the mycorrhizal fungus can, however, access these phosphorus sources, and make them available to the plants they colonize.[7] Thus many plants are able to obtain phosphate, without using soil as a source. For example, in some dystrophic forests, large amounts of phosphate are taken up by mycorrhizal hyphae acting directly on leaf litter, bypassing the need for soil uptake.[8] Inga alley cropping, proposed as an alternative to slash and burn rainforest destruction,[9] relies upon mycorrhiza within the Inga Tree root system to prevent the rain from washing phosphorus out of the soil.[10] In some cases, the transport of water, carbon, and nutrients could be done directly from plant to plant through mycorrhizal networks that are underground hyphal networks created by mycorrhizal fungi that connect individual plants together.
I thought the part talking about the hyphae/myceliums higher CEC was especially cool.
the fungal hyphae being much finer than roots, and therefore able to absorb more.
So... and pardon the silly analogy, but i see it as sorta a type of Velcro for the roots..
smaller "sticker" hyphaes that help absorb the nutrients faster.
BUT as this post indicates... we may be innoculatiing our soils with NOTHING
i use the extreme myko product
sadly it wasn't tested..
Yodaweed
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yep , working great so far.