Cloning clones?

Sergeant Stoner

Sergeant Stoner

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What's the deal on cloning clones? I've received mixed messages on this, on one hand i have people saying go for it, and on the other i've heard people say it causes deterioration of the plants gene code over time, and that the buds will decrease in quality with every cloning. What's the deal here? Any info would be great.
Cheers, Sergeant Stoner
 
mogie

mogie

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The mother plant and clones will retain their genetic goodness for many generations as long as they are always kept in the vegatative growth state. When a mother or clone enters a flowering state with a 12/12 light period and then goes back to veg state with either 18/6 or straight 24 genetic goodness is lost.
 
potroast

potroast

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Yeah, I've got a Northern Lights #5 mother that I've had for 8 years now. She has produced thousands of clones. I replace the mother with another clone about every 6-8 months, so I'm probably on the 14th or 15th clone of a clone. The only difference from a vigorous plant is the yield is less.

HTH :mrgreen:
 
ViRedd

ViRedd

New Member
There are some strains that are only avalible as clones. They've been circulating around the "grower" scene for years and are highly sought after.

I've noticed that some strains increase in potency with each generation of clones up to about the fourth generation. Cindy-99 is one in my experience.

Vi
 
DemonTrich

DemonTrich

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I have a gg4 clone for about 3 yra, clone after clone after clone, NO mom. Genetics are a till spot on since the day I got her. If the genetics get weak on a cloned clone, you fucked it up, not the plant. There are many 20+yr old clones of a clone still banging out primo flowers
 
ButchyBoy

ButchyBoy

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I have cloned clones for a few years now. Only one strain (Platinum Bubba) went sideways on me and started popping beans every time every clone. I will toss another seed and see if I get a keeper to replace it. Iv'e got 7 strains going right now.
 
Deepee

Deepee

Member
While doing a white widow (white label) I found that I got to fourth gen - rooting, flowering was faster than previous gens - that I found the flower structure was over all weak.
Now that could be a strain issue, lighting issue, medium issue ect
The point I will make is, you just don't know.
With how production and cultivation from each grower differs and this is so with plant genetics. Basically its all opinion based on personal experience. (hard data is hard to come by due to everyone has counter points to counter points with this or that statistics, counter by this other statistic).

If you have space and time experiment, try different stains, mediums ect, that is the only way you can know, understand and gain experience. All the vest and happy growing.
 
since1991

since1991

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This is one of the debates with growers. An old one too. I personally have ran cuts from cuts from cuts for years and seen no degradation. Others say thier experience is different. I even taken cuts from 10 days to 2 weeks into flower (not advisable to be on the safe side) and although they take a minute to get back to veg growth (they root actually faster - more hormone built up) and have wierd leaf growth....with proper veg lighting and time....they turn out fine. Many pro breeders i have read about have a trick they employ if or when they see a degradation on a cut over time. They take the healthiest possible cuts...root them. And throw them in very prime areas outdoors or in greenhouses with optimum as possible soil and conditions. Breeders such as Shantibaba (kinda famous and respected) says this for some reason kicks the old cut back into gear and is ready for another 10 to 20 plus years. Jury is still out on successive clone degradation. And mucho debate on this subject....especially online...with old timey pro veteran growers too. Personally....ive never experienced it and hope i never do. In theory....if everything is healthy and no virus or diseases....it sounds impossible to me.
 
since1991

since1991

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If it ever turns out with actual science and research to be true...us in the growing community will kick ourselves in the ass for not keeping males of what made that special cut around...somewhere.
 
Gquebed

Gquebed

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Just wondering.... a little off topic, but...

My first try at cloning i took cuts off of a mom that was vegged for 2 months under hps. They all rooted in a bubble cloner from 9 to 15 days. That was white russian.

At that same time i had taken cuts off an ak47 mom that was also vegging with the white russian under hps. They all rooted in about the same amount if time. Those ak clones never went back under hps. I picked a nice one for a mom and kept it under t5s and when the time came i took clones off of it...they took much longer to root in the same cloner same conditions...18 to 31 days for all of them.

Can i assume that such was because the t5s werent strong enough light?
 
Dumme

Dumme

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I would think it boils down to how you treat the clone as it grows. Good clones = good mothers. Good mothers = good clones. If you fuck up one, the other gets fucked up.
 
since1991

since1991

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Gquebed said:
Just wondering.... a little off topic, but...

My first try at cloning i took cuts off of a mom that was vegged for 2 months under hps. They all rooted in a bubble cloner from 9 to 15 days. That was white russian.

At that same time i had taken cuts off an ak47 mom that was also vegging with the white russian under hps. They all rooted in about the same amount if time. Those ak clones never went back under hps. I picked a nice one for a mom and kept it under t5s and when the time came i took clones off of it...they took much longer to root in the same cloner same conditions...18 to 31 days for all of them.

Can i assume that such was because the t5s werent strong enough light?
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Was there any temperature difference in the aero cloner from one batch to the next? If not...whag was your watwr temps?
 
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