Jesus Myth & Why It Endures

GardenGnome83 said:
What is ignorant about finding the truth?
Is it ignorant to examine evidence as it is presented?
Is it ignorant to question everything, and come to your own conclusion?
No. It is ignorant to REJECT evidence. Like how christians ignore the contradictions of their "holy" book.
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No it is ignorant to assume something is false just bc there is no evidence to prove it is true; I am simply pointing out to you that this is not logical.
 
New Age United said:
It is a logical fallacy to say "and you still believe this" after presuming that a lack of evidence has anything to do with whether it is true or false.
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Lol, a logical fallacy?
You are kidding, right?
A lack of evidence is what makes an argument/point fallacy, smart guy.
That makes all of the christian (among other religions) arguments fallacy.
 
GardenGnome83 said:
Lol, a logical fallacy?
You are kidding, right?
A lack of evidence is what makes an argument/point fallacy, smart guy.
That makes all of the christian (among other religions) arguments fallacy.
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Can you please provide an example of an argument from the old testament the new testament or the Quran where there is a failing in logic? I don't recall too many arguments at all.
 
GardenGnome83 said:
Lol, a logical fallacy?
You are kidding, right?
A lack of evidence is what makes an argument/point fallacy, smart guy.
That makes all of the christian (among other religions) arguments fallacy.
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If you want to boast about sound reaso
GardenGnome83 said:
The whole belief in myth is a failing in logic.
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No not necessarily, the fact is that the words of very wise men were recorded in all 3 of those texts. Just bc you do not understand the message does not mean it is false.

"Surely Allah is hearing; seeing, Knowing, nigh"
What the prophets were referring to as God was the true self (awareness)

Simply put: just bc you can not prove it is true does not make it false; can you see how that is not logical? Before you go boasting about sound reasoning and logic I would suggest you familiarize yourself with the logical fallacies, and make sure you look into the fallacy fallacy, just bc it is a fallacy does not mean it is false either.
 
New Age United said:
If you want to boast about sound reaso

No not necessarily, the fact is that the words of very wise men were recorded in all 3 of those texts. Just bc you do not understand the message does not mean it is false.

"Surely Allah is hearing; seeing, Knowing, nigh"
What the prophets were referring to as God was the true self (awareness)

Simply put: just bc you can not prove it is true does not make it false; can you see how that is not logical? Before you go boasting about sound reasoning and logic I would suggest you familiarize yourself with the logical fallacies, and make sure you look into the fallacy fallacy, just bc it is a fallacy does not mean it is false either.
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I would suggest you look up the definition of fallacy, and delusion.
While it may not mean something is false if it is fallacy, there is no proof it is true, and there is evidence to the contrary in the case of abrahamic religion. The shit don't add up.
Show me why you think it is true please.
I bet you have nothing but faith, and that's as good as a pocket full o' turds.
 
GardenGnome83 said:
I would suggest you look up the definition of fallacy, and delusion.
While it may not mean something is false if it is fallacy, there is no proof it is true, and there is evidence to the contrary in the case of abrahamic religion. The shit don't add up.
Show me why you think it is true please.
I bet you have nothing but faith, and that's as good as a pocket full o' turds.
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I could go on about how you are the light and how the earth is paradise and how time is an illusion and the Eternal Present is Eternity and all about how to live Eternal Life but I have a feeling peace and understanding is not for you.

But besides all that shit you are shifting the burden of proof and expecting me to prove it true when originally it was you that was saying it was false, it is therefore your responsibility to prove it false not mine to prove it true. Maybe you already did come up with some solid arguments I haven't read the whole thread. "The point of an argument is not to win the argument it is to seek the truth" Plato. I am open to debating with you if you care to prove that Jesus was a myth.
 
New Age United said:
If you want to boast about sound reaso

No not necessarily, the fact is that the words of very wise men were recorded in all 3 of those texts. Just bc you do not understand the message does not mean it is false.

"Surely Allah is hearing; seeing, Knowing, nigh"
What the prophets were referring to as God was the true self (awareness)

Simply put: just bc you can not prove it is true does not make it false; can you see how that is not logical? Before you go boasting about sound reasoning and logic I would suggest you familiarize yourself with the logical fallacies, and make sure you look into the fallacy fallacy, just bc it is a fallacy does not mean it is false either.
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The words of very wise men?
In all 3 texts? I never knew!!!
Just kidding. How old is judaism? How old is christianity? How old is islam? That explains their words in 3 texts. Duh.
There is no logic in that. Quran copied torah copied old stories used to TRY to explain things, and control people.
What "allah" said doesn't count as evidence. Prove allah even exists.
Those words are myth, legend of old.
 
GardenGnome83 said:
The words of very wise men?
In all 3 texts? I never knew!!!
Just kidding. How old is judaism? How old is christianity? How old is islam? That explains their words in 3 texts. Duh.
There is no logic in that. Quran copied torah copied old stories used to TRY to explain things, and control people.
What "allah" said doesn't count as evidence. Prove allah even exists.
Those words are myth, legend of old.
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The idea of god just as all ideas are figments of the imagination, they exist only in the mind, however it is very easy to prove Allah is real; You are aware of these words and there meaning, that is all the proof you need to prove that you are real; Allah, the Light, Awareness.

"If I err, I err only against my own soul, for in the Light i know Allah's will as my own will"
 
JCS57 said:
Since I've made no reference to any Biblical passages nor have I quoted the Bible in anyway your conclusion on my Biblical literacy is based on what?
Refute what the Bible says? The Bible says what it says one can't refute that that's just plain silly. But rejecting some of what the Bible says as far as how we should live that's easy since pretty much everyone does it all the time. I have to believe you're purposely being obtuse here, since my aguement is that there are mutually exclusive religions and in Christianity there are mutually exclusive beliefs concerning the Bible and how it is read and how it should be understood and once again I thank you for proving that point.
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Can you be any more vague? And how could anyone not tell you are biblically illiterate if you think we get to interpret the bible?

If everyone got to interpret the bible their own way then it would be just people's opinions and their truth would die with them. There is absolute truth, whether you believe it or not, and it is revealed in the bible. But everything has to match together.

So if i say the sabbath is on sunday, and try to prove it by the word, i will be found out as teaching a lie. There is just too much evidence to prove that is on saturday, and that's not "just what i believe." It is easily verifiable by earnest study of what god's word say.

Just like most of the contradictions gnome's talking about; things are taken out of context and used in ways that just don't make sense. It's not my job to educate you on what the bible says or how to interpret it, but a little more study time may make you sound like you might know what you're talking about.
 
New Age United said:
I could go on about how you are the light and how the earth is paradise and how time is an illusion and the Eternal Present is Eternity and all about how to live Eternal Life but I have a feeling peace and understanding is not for you.

But besides all that shit you are shifting the burden of proof and expecting me to prove it true when originally it was you that was saying it was false, it is therefore your responsibility to prove it false not mine to prove it true. Maybe you already did come up with some solid arguments I haven't read the whole thread. "The point of an argument is not to win the argument it is to seek the truth" Plato. I am open to debating with you if you care to prove that Jesus was a myth.
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I actually laughed when you quoted Plato!
The jesus of the bible is myth. This is basic knowledge if you care to actually look. There were plenty of people named Jesus back in the day, but no miracle workers. The likelihood of a man named jesus preaching in the area at that time is very high, and that may be the seed from which this myth grew.
I have plenty of info, but I would challenge you to look for yourself. That's the best way. I once believed. Very much. But my doubts grew louder.
Do you have doubts?
 
GardenGnome83 said:
I actually laughed when you quoted Plato!
The jesus of the bible is myth. This is basic knowledge if you care to actually look. There were plenty of people named Jesus back in the day, but no miracle workers. The likelihood of a man named jesus preaching in the area at that time is very high, and that may be the seed from which this myth grew.
I have plenty of info, but I would challenge you to look for yourself. That's the best way. I once believed. Very much. But my doubts grew louder.
Do you have doubts?
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I have much doubt about some of the writings but also a great intuition for the bits of truth and wisdom that the Scriptures contain. And yes I know that intuition is frequently wrong so yes I have doubts in my own beliefs. I never said that there wasn't myth in the bible just that there may be more truth than meets the eye, even if there is no empirical evidence.
 
New Age United said:
I have much doubt about some of the writings but also a great intuition for the bits of truth and wisdom that the Scriptures contain. And yes I know that intuition is frequently wrong so yes I have doubts in my own beliefs. I never said that there wasn't myth in the bible just that there may be more truth than meets the eye, even if there is no empirical evidence.
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There may be a few moral guidelines in there, but they are contradictory to other laws or rules in there.
It's all a mess.
Nature is a force I can touch. It can be studied, and is real. There are forces and laws that dictate what occurs in nature.
Nature makes me feel close to some kind of pleasing energy, which I think of as "god". That's likely endorphins and cannabis though lol.
I don't believe any god exists that controls all with thought. I believe chance rules the day. I just know that energy doesn't ever disappear, it just changes forms.
I really hope that my conscience lives on, even if it is all a "movie". But if it is nothing, I guess I'll never know.
Myth accepted as reality makes people insane. Humans are violent, but I imagine a lot less killing if there were no religion.
 
How a Fictional Jesus Gave Rise to Christianity

http://www.rationalrevolution.net/articles/fictional_jesus.htm

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GardenGnome83 said:
There may be a few moral guidelines in there, but they are contradictory to other laws or rules in there.
It's all a mess.
Nature is a force I can touch. It can be studied, and is real. There are forces and laws that dictate what occurs in nature.
Nature makes me feel close to some kind of pleasing energy, which I think of as "god". That's likely endorphins and cannabis though lol.
I don't believe any god exists that controls all with thought. I believe chance rules the day. I just know that energy doesn't ever disappear, it just changes forms.
I really hope that my conscience lives on, even if it is all a "movie". But if it is nothing, I guess I'll never know.
Myth accepted as reality makes people insane. Humans are violent, but I imagine a lot less killing if there were no religion.
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The dali lama said a couple years ago "now is the time for humanity to abandon religion". The dali lama is very enlightened.
 
New Age United said:
The dali lama said a couple years ago "now is the time for humanity to abandon religion". The dali lama is very enlightened.
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HA! and thats considered an enlightened statement eh?

What would you say if i told you Jesus had said the same thing over 2000 years ago and that the lama is just a johnny come lately poseur?
 
schnooby said:
HA! and thats considered an enlightened statement eh?

What would you say if i told you Jesus had said the same thing over 2000 years ago and that the lama is just a johnny come lately poseur?
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"Do not start a religion after me" JC
There is no reason why two enlightened men can't share and express the same view. The ego really likes to take one small trait and equate that with a person's entire being, it likes to label people and assume that by doing so it now has a firm grasp on who that person is, these perspectives are of course illusions and exist only in the mind.
 
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