EXCUSE ME?!..The OFFICIAL Bernie Sanders For President 2016 Thread

ttystikk

ttystikk

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Fogdog said:
If she can work with Bernie to bring enough of progressive voters to vote for her, she will be a winner.

But not pretty and not Boss. Bad ass, yep. Hopeful she can be a good leader.

Four or eight years of ty and sky carping, I might get used to.
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It's just our civil rights I'm trying to save. They're yours, too!
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
It's just our civil rights I'm trying to save. They're yours, too!
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Absolutely you are expressing your right to vote your conscience and to carp. Mine too. I disagree that there was fraud in the primary season but you see it otherwise. The Clinton team played hard but by the rules. When there were no rules, such as manipulating the media, they didn't play fair but did not commit fraud. I wouldn't mind reading your rebuttal of this statement.

That said, the FBI report is still not in. I'm making no predictions regarding what that will say.

What Bernie is saying now is that he's going to do everything he can to make sure Trump isn't in the White House next year. He's also saying that it's up to Hillary to attract voters to his side. You have said he's a centrist. That's what a centrist would say and do given the alternative of putting a right wing authoritarian like Trump in the WH. I'm more centrist that left and certainly not rightist.

My conscience will allow me to vote for Hillary even though I disagree with her on some important decisions or policies that she's made. I might not vote for Hillary if it's a slam dunk to win Oregon, but will strongly consider it if the vote will be anywhere near close. In that way, I'm more closely aligned to centrist Bernie's politics than I think you and Sky are. But that's OK. Yours is an informed opinion unlike what I've read from the right wingers who post here. How a godawful pile of racist ignorance represented in that group find enough brainpower to remember to breathe I'll never know.
 
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schuylaar

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Padawanbater2 said:
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Key things:

1) The most hated Dem in the history of this nation was establishments choice NOT 'we the peoples'..so when we keep 'asking' ourselves how DID this happen? We can take comfort in know that 'we' didn't do it. Let's not PRETEND 'how did this happen'..it's an insult to our intelligence. We had NO say in this. If Trump pulls off the general, establishment is to blame NOT Sanders supporter who refuse to 'fall in line' with a candidate that was our opponent. Establishment picked her..and now we HAVE to vote for her?..yeah, I don't think so.

2) Handwriting is on the wall that nationally Bernie wins Trump by double digits and Hillary is within margin of error at one point difference (yeah I know..who believes in polls anyway). Sanders supporters are NOT just going to auto support Hillary. Trump presidency or not. She does the exact opposite of the number one thing we need done..money out of politics. All the Kings horses and all the Kings men (Obama and his entourage) are establishment, their support has outlived its welcome and will NOT sway, any thinking, logical Sanders supporter.

3) A beloved, 40-year scandal free Senior Senator who's message has never wavered, flip flopped or gone back on any promise is political fallout because of establishment.

4) This election cannot be called by anyone..not even myself and I won't even guess because there too many variables..ANYTHING can happen.

5) because of so many variables, Sanders could actually become president yet.
 
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schuylaar

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ttystikk said:
He'd do a much better job out in front in the Senate, with the influence he's gained by resonating with such a large bloc of voters. I believe he'd know what to do with it.

In such a position he could hold not only opposing senators accountable, but even the eventual president.
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True. But until they are all off the Lobby/Special Interest teat..nothing of any real change for the people will occur.
 
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schuylaar

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ttystikk said:
Oh, that bridge of household name recognition has definitely been crossed by now. That's the source of the influence I'm speaking of; no one will ever forget what Bernie Sanders stood for when running for president, and his work with other senators like Elizabeth Warren will be much higher profile than before.

The VP has a way of fading from the headlines pretty quickly. Irrelevance, you know...
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I'm pissed at Warren.

She's a senator only because of Sanders support, when no one would help her..he was her rock.

I understand they are all now on the 'never Trump train, :!:but you wouldn't have to worry about if the right person were elected in the first place.

I wouldn't be harassed ad infinitum by the losers of RIU for my vote.

Yeah..that makes sense..lets shove the stinker down everyone's throat..the phony, lying, vile stinker and try to get her elected so we can still keep the system corrupt.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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schuylaar said:
Key things:

1) The most hated Dem in the history of this nation was establishments choice NOT 'we the peoples'..so when we keep 'asking' ourselves how DID this happen? We can take comfort in know that 'we' didn't do it. Let's not PRETEND 'how did this happen'..it's an insult to our intelligence. We had NO say in this. If Trump pulls off the general, establishment is to blame NOT Sanders supporter who refuse to 'fall in line' with a candidate that was our opponent. Establishment picked her..and now we HAVE to vote for her?..yeah, I don't think so.

2) Handwriting is on the wall that nationally Bernie wins Trump by double digits and Hillary is within margin of error at one point difference (yeah I know..who believes in polls anyway). Sanders supporters are NOT just going to auto support Hillary. Trump presidency or not. She does the exact opposite of the number one thing we need done..money out of politics. All the Kings horses and all the Kings men (Obama and his entourage) are establishment, their support has outlived its welcome and will NOT sway, any thinking, logical Sanders supporter.

3) A beloved, 40-year scandal free Senior Senator who's message has never wavered, flip flopped or gone back on any promise is political fallout because of establishment.

4) This election cannot be called by anyone..not even myself and I won't even guess because there too many variables..ANYTHING can happen.

5) because of so many variables, Sanders could actually become president yet.
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I think you should stop talking for everybody. Bernie babies were outnumbered in the Democratic primaries. The margins were too large to dismiss as due to chicanery. Bernie didn't give the process enough time. He needed to start his campaign a year earlier to make up the head start that Hillary had in terms of electorate's awareness of who he is.

As far as the "margin of error" that Hillary has with Trump, I'd call it the "margin of terror" and it will cause me to vote for Hillary if it's still this close come Nov.

Your scenarios for Bernie making it to the ballot have such a slim likelihood that it's not really worth discussing as a possibility.
 
GardenGnome83

GardenGnome83

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Slipup420 said:


So you think Bernie's answer is tax the remaining companies that still call USA home ?? Like bunch of kids always waiting for hand outs rather then , make it happen..
What happens when they leave or had enough like so many have ,, And you probably do not even know about it sure the company is still working in usa but head office has been moved to another countriy
Inversion , and why the there is more money leaving america then entering.... These people are not stupid they know if they bring back the money they will get taxed a second time lol
think about it Monsanto and Bayer German company. Ireland is great place to move headquarters there tax rate is 12.5 its all about tax burden
But hypothetically speaking if Bernie got in and started his robin hood behavior surely it would hurt USA in a very short time less tax in means either tax you more and even cut public things
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You obviously rely on info wars, and red flag news for your political dialogue.
Look to South Dakota, if you want to see what being cheap on tax does.
Nothing you said has any basis in truth. You should probably look into some of this.
Try to get past page 1 on Google...
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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schuylaar said:
I'm pissed at Warren.

She's a senator only because of Sanders support, when no one would help her..he was her rock.

I understand they are all now on the 'never Trump train, :!:but you wouldn't have to worry about if the right person were elected in the first place.

I wouldn't be harassed ad infinitum by the losers of RIU for my vote.

Yeah..that makes sense..lets shove the stinker down everyone's throat..the phony, lying, vile stinker and try to get her elected so we can still keep the system corrupt.
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ttystikk

ttystikk

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Fogdog said:
Absolutely you are expressing your right to vote your conscience and to carp. Mine too. I disagree that there was fraud in the primary season but you see it otherwise. The Clinton team played hard but by the rules. When there were no rules, such as manipulating the media, they didn't play fair but did not commit fraud. I wouldn't mind reading your rebuttal of this statement.

That said, the FBI report is still not in. I'm making no predictions regarding what that will say.

What Bernie is saying now is that he's going to do everything he can to make sure Trump isn't in the White House next year. He's also saying that it's up to Hillary to attract voters to his side. You have said he's a centrist. That's what a centrist would say and do given the alternative of putting a right wing authoritarian like Trump in the WH. I'm more centrist that left and certainly not rightist.

My conscience will allow me to vote for Hillary even though I disagree with her on some important decisions or policies that she's made. I might not vote for Hillary if it's a slam dunk to win Oregon, but will strongly consider it if the vote will be anywhere near close. In that way, I'm more closely aligned to centrist Bernie's politics than I think you and Sky are. But that's OK. Yours is an informed opinion unlike what I've read from the right wingers who post here. How a godawful pile of racist ignorance represented in that group find enough brainpower to remember to breathe I'll never know.
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The Sanders campaign filed a federal lawsuit to reinstate their access to the DNC computer network. There were voting and registration irregularities in New York and nationwide.

Are you seriously going to try to defend the idea that it was a fair contest?

I know massive voter fraud when I see it- and I've seen it.

As to the rest of your assertions, they're based on the false data of Clinton's fraudulent 'win'.
 
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