bodhi seeds

[ForRealz]

And b/c I'm that MF'er...

Are we just trying to determine if bodhis hp has butterscotch in it or not? I feel like that was established.

I think what @coolkid.02 was trying to show is that the weight of evidence goes against there being any Butterscotch in Bodhi's male.

First, lets quickly dispatch this "Butterscotch in Bodhi male" talk here with posts from NdN or under n8tivefarmer:
"we call it Ghash for short," (<---here he is referring to 88 g13/hp b/c he is complimenting a plant in thread titled "88 g13/hp) quote cont'd..."mota and Bodhi both have made hybrids with this plant

The purple phenol is the first cross I made from the 88G13/HP" (<--here he is referring to Ghash) quote cont'd..."was crossed to a Butterscotch Hawiian."
(1)

"we crossed the G13/HP to swampys Butterscotch Hawaiin we split the F1's and swampy worked on his and soon called it Free leonard for Pellitier who he supported to get out of prison I just carried the name G13/Butterscotch Hawaiin" (3)

88 g13/hp x BSH


Here is 88 g13/hp (Ghash) pheno different than Ghash purple pheno used in BSH cross

NdN says Bodhi using Ghash/88 g13/hp right back there.
As @coolkid.02 tried to point out, that WHOLE first post by Spidey was totally in reference to a Cross made between NdN and Swampy.

I dont think anyone has denied that Bodhi got the 88 g13/hp from NdN... So, all we have to do is follow the chain of custody...

From NdN:
"The G13/Hp used in the original cross was sourced from 1987-88 seeds from the seedbank when Neville crossed the clone before it died." (2)

From Nevil:
"G13 and Hash Plant were cuttings. I crossed HP to NL1, which was the strongest indica I've ener smoked and I put males from this to G13.
It was labeled HP1.G13. People have assumed that this was a straight HPxG13 cross, but this was not the case. " (4)


^^^ (5)

So, as you can see, it is:
88 g13/hp = G13 (female) x HP/NL1 (male)

(1) http://www.marijuanapassion.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62938

(2) https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=2372580

(3) http://michiganmedicalmarijuana.org/topic/31655-bcbuddepot-selling-free-leonard/page-3

(4) http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/6-breeders-support-information/4635-hp-13-a.html#post66458

(5) http://www.420magazine.com/forums/plant-and-bud-photos/76234-super-sativa-seed-club-sssc-catalogues-1980s-rare-archival-images.html#post650503

 

[kindnug]

My reply never showed up on my last post :/

But ya the females are being forced flowered indoors so ya its just the males outside

But i was doin some research and i think i caused the males to flower by improper acclimation. I put them out into 14 or so hours of light outside from 18 hrs inside, without weining them off the 18 hrs of indoor light. Does this seem like a likely cause ?

Edit: shit i guess it did show up lol disreguard

Gotta mimick the outdoor light schedule, unless you plant seeds outdoors to begin with.
Also make sure they're in direct sunlight for as long as possible.

22 years and still not a professional? @ForRealz
I was just pointing out how many years I've been consistently growing outdoors, not all the years I've been growing. I guess I'm not the only guy here nearly 50?

 

[kindnug]

Let us go ahead and hash this out...


Yes, interesting, not super likely but not impossible the other ~48 could so flippantly be unequivocally concluded to lack early sexual expression outdoors w/o typical long night photoperiod trigger, e.g. 12+ hours dark period.

To recap, the issue w the Angelica (hells angels x 88g13/hp) was b/c it was planted too early (before mid-may)




^^^^That is you quoting another member who said "start seeds may 1st, put clones out june 1st."

Daylight:
Mid-April in mid-KY 13 hrs 14 min, mid-May 14 hrs 15 min.
A difference of 1 hr 1 min.

Mid-April vs 1st May: only difference of 30 minutes.

http://aa.usno.navy.mil/cgi-bin/aa_durtablew.pl?form=1&year=2016&task=-1&state=KY&place=richmond



So, No, I didnt take your comment out of context at all, like you had said I did.

Also, you clearly stated it Twice.



Yes, it was not a good choice to use another's garden to buttress my case, however, it does not change what I know/have seen/ have stated in re: seed planting times for "X" latitude when I shared my opinion, same as you. Only, it was You who quoted me



^^^^Just my opinion, it appears right there you were using "other people's gardens" as a way to "prove (your) point."


And the issue with Jungle Spice (Congo x 88 g13/hp) b/c drop in light.

Daylight: 14 hrs 20 min daylight in mid-AZ on May 30...a difference of 3 hrs 40 min from 18/6.

http://aa.usno.navy.mil/cgi-bin/aa_durtablew.pl?form=1&year=2016&task=-1&state=AZ&place=flagstaff

Just my opinion based on my experience, I am grateful the probably 20 different strains Ive encountered outdoors didnt need that extra 1hr daylight nor were they adversely impacted by the > 3 hrs 40 min difference in lighting.

Did you read the next post I made? I said you can start seeds outdoors in April and it's a gamble whether they would grow until normal budding season.

I also mentioned that you should be mimicking OUTDOOR LIGHT SCHEDULE.
You can use an almanac to determine what you should have your timer set to, so you had the right idea.

He mentioned he had the growing @ 18hr indoors, and put them out @ 14 daylight hours...sorry that's not autoflower

Photoperiods can flower in 14 hours of light, I guess 22 years of exp didn't teach you that.

 

[ForRealz]

Gotta mimick the outdoor light schedule, unless you plant seeds outdoors to begin with.
Also make sure they're in direct sunlight for as long as possible.

22 years and still not a professional? @ForRealz
I was just pointing out how many years I've been consistently growing outdoors, not all the years I've been growing. I guess I'm not the only guy here nearly 50?

At 14 was my first outdoor (too impatient didnt wait long enough), 16 (first real harvest but w/ seed b/c couldnt bring myself to cull a hermie), 17 (first sinsemilla outdoor)...

See, I know firsthand about starting from seed outdoor in mid-April b/c back then I had no other choice but starting em outside. Ran into lots of other problems then/since but not early sex expression. Id be lying if I said I hit every single year since then...

 

[ForRealz]

Photoperiods can flower in 14 hours of light, I guess 22 years of exp didn't teach you that.

Haha. No I haven't learned, teach me.

Wish you would have taught my outdoor strains that, then so many wouldn't have gotten chopped by the combines during drought years...

Show me where I said autoflower, Sensei

 

[kindnug]

I've got a few plants outside right now that were planted directly outdoors in April + are flowering as we speak... Satsuma F2

How do you explain that then? Hoop house in full sun/planted april 12 directly outdoors in SoCal. They're revegging now...

You claim 30 mins difference of outdoor light doesn't matter much, well I disagree...
Over 14 hours of light is enough to veg, under 13 hours and it's going to flower.

Planting mid april + risk reveg over 2 weeks of seedling growth?
The seeds I started May1st are still growing, so are the clones I put out 10 days ago.

 

[kindnug]

Also, 2 weeks isn't going to make much difference @ the end.
Pot size determines how big the plant gets.

I've never been able to plant directly in-ground either tho, gophers/moles/cutworms/every living thing attacks these plants.

 

[kindnug]

At 14 was my first outdoor (too impatient didnt wait long enough), 16 (first real harvest but w/ seed b/c couldnt bring myself to cull a hermie), 17 (first sinsemilla outdoor)...

See, I know firsthand about starting from seed outdoor in mid-April b/c back then I had no other choice but starting em outside. Ran into lots of other problems then/since but not early sex expression. Id be lying if I said I hit every single year since then...

Have you lived on the east? They get late frosts in April many years...so that's another good reason to be patient.

So you plant seedlings outdoors when it's still in the low 30's @ night? Risking frost damage...real professional

 

[ForRealz]

Photoperiods can flower in 14 hours of light, I guess 22 years of exp didn't teach you that.

I've got a few plants outside right now that were planted directly outdoors in April + are flowering as we speak... Satsuma F2

How do you explain that then? Hoop house in full sun/planted april 12 directly outdoors in SoCal. They're revegging now...

You claim 30 mins difference of outdoor light doesn't matter much, well I disagree...
Over 14 hours of light is enough to veg, under 13 hours and it's going to flower.

Planting mid april + risk reveg over 2 weeks of seedling growth?
The seeds I started May1st are still growing, so are the clones I put out 10 days ago.

Well why in the world, sir, after your 15 years str8 outdoors, would you put them out with less than 14 hours then, I thought you knew?!

With the mimicking of the light and your knowledge...you should never experience early sexual expression, right?

 

[kindnug]

I planted seeds directly outdoors, hard to mimick daylight hours when they were already getting real daylight. I don't mimick daylight until it's over 14 hr, smart guy

Only if I do what you claim.

 

[ForRealz]

Also, 2 weeks isn't going to make much difference @ the end.
Pot size determines how big the plant gets.

I've never been able to plant directly in-ground either tho, gophers/moles/cutworms/every living thing attacks these plants.

Every single time I go straight in ground that I amend...

Have you lived on the east? They get late frosts in April many years...so that's another good reason to be patient.

Yes, I posted earlier, "frost warnings" willing.

 

[kindnug]

Can you explain why you plant seeds when it's still nearly freezing outdoors?
You realize seedlings grow slow when temps are that low?

So basically your telling people to start seeds outdoors in April knowing there could be frosts...
I wouldn't risk it, so I wouldn't tell other people to.

I live in Socal, our temps are fine for planting in April.
The guy living in Kentucky would be getting temps in 30's in April..
You used the almanac to check his daylight hours, why didn't you check the temps too while you were @ it...lol

 

[ForRealz]

Can you explain why you plant seeds when it's still nearly freezing outdoors?
You realize seedlings grow slow when temps are that low?

I live in Socal, our temps are fine for planting in April.
The guy living in Kentucky would be getting temps in 30's in April..

Really? Hmmm Im seeing an overnight low of 51 deg on April 11 2016 for instance...try again, womp wah.


https://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KI39/2016/4/11/DailyHistory.html?req_city=Richmond&req_state=KY&req_statename=Kentucky&reqdb.zip=40475&reqdb.magic=1&reqdb.wmo=99999

 

[kindnug]

http://www.almanac.com/weather/history/KY/Louisville/2016-04-10

Low temps are more common during April on the east coast.
+ every year it's different...so risk + reward type thing, reward being 2 weeks of seedling growth + risk being losing entire crop of seedlings.

Looks like 33 degrees to me...real almanac
That's just this year though, weather isn't a consistent thing like you seem to think

 

[kindnug]

Really? Hmmm Im seeing an overnight low of 51 deg on April 11 2016 for instance...try again, womp wah.


https://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KI39/2016/4/11/DailyHistory.html?req_city=Richmond&req_state=KY&req_statename=Kentucky&reqdb.zip=40475&reqdb.magic=1&reqdb.wmo=99999

You can try again if you'd like, but I don't see why we are arguing over 2 weeks of seedling growth...it's obvious that you CAN plant in April and have a normal crop, but it's risky.

 

[kindnug]

This is where I was born + lived my entire childhood. So I know about April on the east coast.

http://www.almanac.com/weather/history/NC/Durham/2016-04-10

I start plants indoors early Feb with 14/10 light schedule, and put them out May 1st.
I get 6-8lb from the clones/seeds started indoors, where starting seeds outdoors I'll be lucky to get 2 kilo from 1 plant(if they don't reveg).

That's what I meant about mimicking daylight, + why I wait until there is 14 hours of daylight before I put them out. So it should make sense now why I put them out begin May(when there is 14 hr light)

 

[Lex Talioniss]

Soooo any chance we can all just agree that our plants need light and get back to posting about bodhi?

 

[JDGreen]

My reply never showed up on my last post :/

But ya the females are being forced flowered indoors so ya its just the males outside

But i was doin some research and i think i caused the males to flower by improper acclimation. I put them out into 14 or so hours of light outside from 18 hrs inside, without weining them off the 18 hrs of indoor light. Does this seem like a likely cause ?

Edit: shit i guess it did show up lol disreguard

Yea a dramatic,4 hr

Quick little rain storm passed by as I was pressing some Boysenberry HP nugs, love the way the desert smells after a quick bath enjoy the weekend fellas. 10 grams in 2.4 out
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Desert u say.... u cant b too far, i smell it too

 

[JDGreen]

And bummer @akhiymjames

Thats a rough.way to go, but golden state can just tear p a 10 point lead in 45seconds. Its ridiculous how many people they have capable of downing the 3s.

And if Lebron could simmer down and not lose his cool plus him and Irving actually get along (yeah right, a superstar not upset about being drafted as a frachise player then snubbed by the guy who abandoned the team for a championship till they were ready.)
Tbose 2 changes, they coulda pulled it.out. NO talent excuses.

 

[kindnug]

Soooo any chance we can all just agree that our plants need light and get back to posting about bodhi?

Yes, I just feel the need to reply when some1 calls me out.