DiY LEDs - How to Power Them

OLD MOTHER SATIVA

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the driver in constant current range will push 2.5a. Is that a bit much for a nichia 130b ? nominal = 1.150A max = 2.7A.
Maybe run them in parallel to lower the current ?
thanks i will be runnig them parallel...as i add each cobs it lowers the amperage?

3 nichias 130b woukd bring it down incrementally like to 4o w each @830 ma ? [2.5 div by 3?]

this is beyond me

i am just asking because i have the cobs the drivers the will but would like to do it right and any help is appreciated

and it is not easy like having the correct amperage and voltage with known used cobs
 

JorgeGonzales

Well-Known Member
the driver in constant current range will push 2.5a. Is that a bit much for a nichia 130b ? nominal = 1.150A max = 2.7A.
Maybe run them in parallel to lower the current ?
Eh? 3 per driver.

thanks i will be runnig them parallel...as i add each cobs it lowers the amperage?

3 nichias 130b woukd bring it down incrementally like to 4o w each @830 ma ? [2.5 div by 3?]

this is beyond me

i am just asking because i have the cobs the drivers the will but would like to do it right and any help is appreciated

and it is not easy like having the correct amperage and voltage with known used cobs
Just connect them parallel and fire it up, you will be fine. No need to dial in voltage, you will be running in constant current mode.
 

sanjuan

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The question of how to tweak Vo and Io on the HLG-120H-48 is a good one (and I barely resisted buying some).

My understanding is, these can be used as constant voltage supplies like powering fans (I'm sure there are LED applications but I'm ignorant). In this case, Vo is what matters and Io could be set to a safety limit.

Likewise, for our application Vo could be set to a maximum voltage limit that we want next to our heat sinks in a fault situation. (Not that I worry about 48V too much.)
 
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OLD MOTHER SATIVA

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san ..well i asked the question too...it sounds like th constant voltage saved me having to uase the dial anyway

Eh? 3 per driver.
Just connect them parallel and fire it up, you will be fine. No need to dial in voltage, you will be running in constant current mode.
thanks..Jorge...you think thats the way to go..
compared to using two or four?
the lower wattage will help assure the heatsinks work cooler
and 31 w is decent
 

JorgeGonzales

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san ..well i asked the question too...it sounds like th constant voltage saved me having to uase the dial anyway



thanks..Jorge...you think thats the way to go..
compared to using two or four?
the lower wattage will help assure the heatsinks work cooler
and 31 w is decent
This was last time I looked at Nichia, only two points of reference but they are accurate, from digitized charts.

NFDLJ130B 3500K CRI 80 Ta=25C
6210 - 7610 lumens @1150ma 39.2 Vf 45.08W 138-169 LPW
3273 - 4010 lumens @545ma 36.2Vf 21.27W 154-189 LPW


Nichia quotes 148LPW for 1150ma, so in the middle.

I think 3 per driver is a good efficient spot, 4 is probably wasteful, and 2 would be pushing your heatsinks a little too hard.

And look, another cob beating the current Vero 29 at these wattages, so it should be a killer build man.
 

coreywebster

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Hey all.
I am about ready to order my power supplies to power the LDD-700h's
I am planning on using LRS-350-48's
I just want to check that there is no reason to not choose that model? I was originally looking at the SE-350-48 but the LRS is a chunk cheaper and I am ordering a few. The idea is to use 2 to power 9 LDD-700h each. So would be powering 18 LDD's.
If anybody can tell me why I would not be able to use that model I would appreciate it as I am looking to confirm and pay for my order.
Also if a light using single diodes has a calculated Wattage of 470w (ish) is there a reason I cant use 2x 350w power supplies? I assume they will put in what is needed but you know what they say about "assume"!
I could change to a mix of 350's and 150s but am getting a good price on the 350s and figured I could still add more strings if I decide to. Essentially I have enough diodes to build 3 470w units, or 2 more powerful units and 2 small veg lights or any sort of combo I want so figured going with all 350s I have more options.

Any advice on this for an obvious LED newb?

CW
 

Marrom

New Member
http://www.xicato.com/sites/default/files/documents/XSM 80 Series Datasheet_0.pdf

Could you guys help me pick out the correct driver for these LEDs? I was able to get a great deal on 12 of the xsm8030-1300c LEDs with heatsinks and reflectors for 5$ each.
The specs say they are 700 lumen 3500k, 500mw, 12.3-18.7Forward volts, and use 7.9 watts each.
Could I run them off a pairui lgsu-250-c1400 driver? Or would it be better to run 2 smaller drivers? Or another driver altogether?
Also, how do you think these would work in a 3.5'x3' area mainly used for veg?
Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you
 

JorgeGonzales

Well-Known Member
http://www.xicato.com/sites/default/files/documents/XSM 80 Series Datasheet_0.pdf

Could you guys help me pick out the correct driver for these LEDs? I was able to get a great deal on 12 of the xsm8030-1300c LEDs with heatsinks and reflectors for 5$ each.
The specs say they are 700 lumen 3500k, 500mw, 12.3-18.7Forward volts, and use 7.9 watts each.
Could I run them off a pairui lgsu-250-c1400 driver? Or would it be better to run 2 smaller drivers? Or another driver altogether?
Also, how do you think these would work in a 3.5'x3' area mainly used for veg?
Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you
Unfortunately I think the answer to your last question is "not very well". Not enough light for that size space.

The specs are meant to be read vertically, so any of the drive currents 350-1050mA could be chosen, by the way.

The biggest issue is these cobs are less efficient than a good T5 bulb. I know that's not what you want to hear, but those efficacy numbers are truly not good.
 

Levradus

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Hello everyone,

I was gonna built a led light from cob leds and for 36v cobs 4 pieces of them as all of you hlg185h c1400b or c1050b we use for cobs...

but for osram ssl leds what should I use any cheaper driver models ?
like this module : http://www.sarnikon.com/led-urunleri/led-moduller/high-power-serisi/osram-led-modul-rec-287x260-sqrx88-rec-287x260-sslx88
88 pieces of it ( 11 paralel - 8 series )
or this one
http://www.sarnikon.com/led-urunleri/led-moduller/high-power-serisi/osram-led-modul-rec-470x255-sqrx72-rec-470x255-sslx72
72 pieces of it ( 6 paralel - 12 series )

instead of hlg c0000b models which models I can use

like driver models
driver models 2
driver models 3
driver models 4
driver models 5

for building a light from many pieces of leds I will need more then one drivers to establish veg flower switches and for that reason I want to know which I can use becase hlg185 c0000b drivers are expensive soo I dont have chance or willingness to make it all in series some paralels and series mix will be my light...

I need constant current driver in all way ? some drivers let us change its current while the model still named as constant current
 

metalback

Member
There are many ways to design a DIY LED but here are the details of the wiring for constant current drivers. If you have no experience working with 120V wiring you should understand that it can be dangerous under certain conditions and you should study and gain a thorough understanding of the dangers before attempting your project or ask for help from an electrician. The most obvious thing is never work on live wires. Once your build is complete, a GFCI can help protect you from electrical shock in our wet growing environments and are available for $7 on eBay. Check your AC circuit for hot spots which is a sign of an overloaded circuit or a poor connection. This can occur in timers and in the connections of extension cords.
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Recommended tools:
Multimeter with 10A current measuring capability
Power meter - KillAWatt or EnSupra (no affiliation)
Wire stripper
Wire crimper
Slide Connectors
Heat Shrink Tubing

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The AC side

The AC power input has a hot and a neutral. This is important when wiring an LED driver. If you mix them up, the LEDs can glow a bit during lights out because the timer will cut the neutral instead of the hot and the LEDs may respond to ghost voltages and emf. In most homes the smaller side of the outlet is the hot wire (black) and the larger side is the neutral (white) so it is helpful to use a power cord that forces the plug into the correct polarity. If you install a switch make sure you switch the hot wire or use a double pole single throw switch. The driver should have labeling so you know which is the hot (Line) and which is the neutral. You can make the AC connections using molex connectors although that can get prohibitively expensive if you are making dozens or even hundreds of connections.

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The DC side

-Do not apply AC power to a driver that is not connected to an LED string
-Do not switch an LED driver on its DC side, but rather on the hot wire of the AC side.

-Constant current circuits operate with the LEDs connected in series.
-On the DC side of the driver there is a positive and a negative wire. Red is the positive and black or white is the negative.
-The negative wire of the driver goes to the negative side of the LED. (I find this unintuitive in a series connection)
-The positive of an led connects to the negative of the next LED in the series until the whole circuit makes a loop.
-If wired backward the circuit will not function and there is a possibility of damaging the LEDs.

-The driver will have a certain voltage range that it can operate within and this range may not be printed on the driver.
-The efficiency of the driver will vary depending the voltage of the LED string.
-To estimate the total voltage of the string, add the total vF or each LED in the string. If the voltage is of the LED string is too low the driver may flash. If it is too high the driver may flash or it may drastically reduce its current output.
-Each LED will operate it its own voltage but they will all operate at the exact same current.
-As each LED warms up its voltage will drop slightly.
-If you decrease the voltage load on the driver, its current output will rise and vice versa.
-As the driver warms up its current will drop (unless regulated). LED drivers are typically 75-90% efficient so they will heat up as they operate.
-As the current drops the LED voltage will drop slightly.
-Each driver may operate at a slightly different current +/-5% even if they are the same model.
-Adding a fuse that is lower than the maximum current of the LEDs may help protect the LED string in the event of a driver malfunction.
-It is critical that all connections and soldering points are secure. Flickering or arcing in the circuit can damage the driver or worse can destroy the entire LED string.

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For the DC connections you can use molex, wire nuts (not recommended), splices, closed end crimp ons or you can solder the connections and heat shrink them. In my case I use .25" bare (non insulated) crimp on slide connectors (quick disconnects) and once I have verified that the connection is very solid, I cover with heat shrink tubing leaving no metal exposed. They are cheap, secure, force the correct polarity, can be color coded and it makes your drivers and LED strings easily swappable.

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Choosing a Driver - Drive Current

LEDs suffer from current droop which means that the harder you run them (higher current), they dissipate more power but become significantly less efficient. They also suffer from temperature droop. As the temperature rises they become less efficient and if run hot they will suffer significant lumen depreciation over time. Because we use our lights for long hours each day, efficiency becomes an even more important factor. Therefore it is recommended to run LEDs relatively soft and use more of them. This increases the up front cost for the LEDs but decreases the cost of drivers, heatsinks and electricity. The value point will vary depending on electrical costs and keep in mind that we expect LEDs to continue to improve in the coming years.

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Testing the String - Do this when the driver and heatsink are already warmed up and stabilized.

Once your driver and LED string is wired it is recommended that you verify the current (amperage) of the string. Very occasionally drivers malfunction and drive at a much lower or much higher current than specified. To check current your multimeter must be in series with the LED string (anywhere in the string on the DC side). Make sure your multimeter probes are plugged into the correct slot for testing current (amps). Make sure you do not apply power to the driver until the multimeter connections are secure in the LED string (slide connectors are helpful here). Record this number (example 700mA = .7A)

If you are curious about the efficiency of the driver, connect your multimeter in parallel in the LED string to measure voltage. The voltage measurement has to be taken from before the first LED and after the last LED in the string. The easiest place to do this is at the DC side driver connections. Make sure to move your test leads to the correct slots on your multimeter for measuring voltage or else you will short circuit the string. (Yes I have done this).

Once you have your volts and amps you can calculate dissipation wattage of the string. It is very simple volts X amps = watts. Next check your input wattage from the KillAWatt or EnSupra. Now divide your dissipation wattage by your input wattage and you get the driver efficiency percentage. Keep in mind that if you measure input wattage while your multimeter is in series with the string you will get a slightly incorrect figure. My multimeter adds .2-.3W.
It sounds as though you have them in series. Need to add a zener to every driver that will keep the system working should one led driver fail.
 

Wezonit

Active Member
3 x 3500k Vero 29's ran with a EUC-320S280DT (320 W 2.8 A 114 Vdc)

Will there be enough forward voltage to run the vero 29's @ 2.8?

Edit: Looked at the Vero Data sheet and realized it would need 117v not 114 so this wouldn't work. Vero needs 39v @ 2.8...
 
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