Elite Clone S1's, why do people hate on breeders for offering?

shorelineOG

shorelineOG

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That's good to know about the fire OG bx. I have a male of the fire OG bx and it has a different leaf, more fingers than the clone only. How all is not as good as the clone only, specifically? The Attitude has a lot of his stuff, when other retailers are out of a strain. I found a badass keeper of his Fire alien strawberry from one reg. seed from the pic and mix. Its not a coincidence and I hear that a lot. His strawberry Crosses yield the best. Heard the romulan cross yielded.
 
nomofatum

nomofatum

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shorelineOG said:
That's good to know about the fire OG bx. I have a male of the fire OG bx and it has a different leaf, more fingers than the clone only. How all is not as good as the clone only, specifically? The Attitude has a lot of his stuff, when other retailers are out of a strain. I found a badass keeper of his Fire alien strawberry from one reg. seed from the pic and mix. Its not a coincidence and I hear that a lot. His strawberry Crosses yield the best. Heard the romulan cross yielded.
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I'm comparing to buds from a CO grow from clone to my BX buds. Same taste and high, just weaker on flavor a bit for the BX.
 
Yodaweed

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nomofatum said:
If you have access to both the knockoff and the original, then sure that's a valid argument. But the copy/knockoff is still better than 99.9% of other seed form strains available. I would buy that knockoff, lol.

I've gone through about 300 seeds to this point. IMHO, the single seed I bought of the White S1 is the 2nd best of them all. I either got lucky or S1's of elite clones are kickass compared to even top quality seeds.
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Have you ever had the real deal kromes the white? Shit is so fire, anything bred with that is gonna have some good properties. I'm growing the White Fire OG right now and its looking real good. Their is a dispensary in town that has a real deal cut from the man himself, they will not do clones of that strain, been asking for over 2 years. I ran their GSC, pineapple funk, and flo, all pretty good nothing like their kromes the white tho.
 
shorelineOG

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What dispensary? If you had a rare cut they might trade. Says a lot about people that hoard strains. I hear about people price gouging or doing crazy trades with the shoreline cut that I give out for free. Anyone in Colorado looking for the real TX shoreline I would suggest asking me for verification or looking up old pictures of it before the fakes from devils harvest came out.
Yodaweed said:
Have you ever had the real deal kromes the white? Shit is so fire, anything bred with that is gonna have some good properties. I'm growing the White Fire OG right now and its looking real good. Their is a dispensary in town that has a real deal cut from the man himself, they will not do clones of that strain, been asking for over 2 years. I ran their GSC, pineapple funk, and flo, all pretty good nothing like their kromes the white tho.
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Yodaweed

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shorelineOG said:
What dispensary? If you had a rare cut they might trade. Says a lot about people that hoard strains. I hear about people price gouging or doing crazy trades with the shoreline cut that I give out for free. Anyone in Colorado looking for the real TX shoreline I would suggest asking me for verification or looking up old pictures of it before the fakes from devils harvest came out.
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The healing canna, been asking them for like 2 years, they also got this strain they made named Colorado Crippler, its so fire. Got 4th place in the cannabis cup.

https://weedmaps.com/dispensaries/the-healing-canna#/menu/kromes-the-white-house-strain
 
shorelineOG

shorelineOG

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I know a guy bringing some rare cuts from Florida. He was the grower for Levity and says the sour d out there is better than the ecsd cut out here. He is bringing back a 25 year old skunk and some other shit I ain't never heard of. How did you like that alien strawberry we smoked? Its pretty good but I still like my skunk strains.
Yodaweed said:
The healing canna, been asking them for like 2 years, they also got this strain they made named Colorado Crippler, its so fire. Got 4th place in the cannabis cup.

https://weedmaps.com/dispensaries/the-healing-canna#/menu/kromes-the-white-house-strain
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Yodaweed

Yodaweed

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shorelineOG said:
I know a guy bringing some rare cuts from Florida. He was the grower for Levity and says the sour d out there is better than the ecsd cut out here. He is bringing back a 25 year old skunk and some other shit I ain't never heard of. How did you like that alien strawberry we smoked? Its pretty good but I still like my skunk strains.

Ur
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That's awesome, a friend of mine from PA has the real deal ECSD cut from over 15 years ago and it's pretty good, that alien strawberry was pretty good.
 
kona gold

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The problem with s1 can be their unstable nature.
Most elites are just rare finds in random seeds, or from possible f1 or from a herm pollination.
So when they s1 that clone, possible recessive genes are exposed.
Mutations, herms, low potency.....all can be expressed.
Some just go to crap, and some do great.
 
OLD MOTHER SATIVA

OLD MOTHER SATIVA

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s1's were made so that cool "crews" could not have exclusive rights to particular clones and brag about them constantly online how they have them ndf noone else will get them

they were made so one does not have to "weed" out[pardon pun] males and stay under plant limits..and grow all females

they were made so someone in Greenland can have access to genetics that are hoarded in Cali for nigh eh for example

sure not all s1's produce equal to clone plants but sometimes they are better..and generally always good if they come from the actual clone..

besides ..you would be surpirsed how many of the "coolest of the cool 'held' clones"..come from these s1's
 
bluntmassa1

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nomofatum said:
A lot of clones do come from S1, most actually come from S1 and F2. I haven't seen or tried The White from a clone, but from the description, my S1 plant actually appears to be better than the clone. The flavor of the clone is described as not being especially flavorful, it's also described as a low yielder, mine is medium yielding and quite flavorful.

The ease of making S1's should make them the cheapest seeds, I do agree the price on S1's is a bit high at $15-20 a seed.

I would love some clones, but it's hard to find someone I'm willing to trust who is also willing to send them. For all of us who do not have access to clones, I urge breeders to release more S1s.

I'm going to pickup the S1's from CannaVenture. If they are nearly as good as the White then I'm sold on S1's. I really want S1's to pick breeding partners for my normal keepers.

As far as selling under the same name, easy enough to call it Nomo's White, White S1 or whatever.
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The longer you are around the easier it is to find trustworthy growers the clone only is usually a pollyhybrid so most seeds will not come close to the cut some can be better to some because a clone only is just a keeper. I just got lucky myself been at this solid for 5-6 years and just got a friend growing who now works for a dispensary and will be getting GG#4 and many others also have a few people getting medical cards soon so I'm going to go with them and grab the best cuts they have. Also met someone cool online that hooked me up with cuts was skeptical at first but he's been around a while and he came through. I got a few mothers of my own and still grow out lots of seeds to find keepers so its not a bad idea to find trustworthy people just most of the people trying to trade clones and shit online I would avoid like the plaugue.

But yeah the best option for most is to buy the S1 seed especially since RIU is pretty strict about buying, gifting or trading seeds and clones I would just rather not buy fem seeds I will do out freebies but if I'm paying any good money for seeds it's going to be a somewhat bred variety not $15 a seed any fool can breed and I do a little breeding and just want to keep it all natural. May even make a seed company one day but I would be more like DJ Short only a lot cheaper because it ain't work if you love what you do. :weed: Plus who ever paid $200 for a pack of tomato seeds?? Huh Soma?.... :finger: lol, :bigjoint:

I kind of am a hater of expensive seeds AK-47 is some good shit but I've had much better for a fraction of the price but they only charge it cause like dumb dumbs we pay it even me. :wall:
 
bluntmassa1

bluntmassa1

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OLD MOTHER SATIVA said:
sure not all s1's produce equal to clone plants but sometimes they are better..and generally always good if they come from the actual clone..
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True but from a lot of breeders not all plants are equal but generally always good at least if they are good breeers I've grown a lot from Mr. Nice and very few plants I would call bad many times I can't choose just 1 keeper from a pack.
 
since1991

since1991

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Imho its the name. S1's of clone onlys should be called something completely different so we can differentiate between the two. S1's are almost never the exact same. They can be better or not....just different. But they certainly should be named something else. Because dumb growers will just call Blue Dream s1 a Blue Dream and it confuses the shit outta people. Then they go around spreading the knockoff or s1 and ......its all messed up. Never know what the real is like. So yeah to me its the naming thing. Nothing against s1's but damn man. And breeders are certainly not going to call it something different cuz they wanna cash in on the name hype.
 
nomofatum

nomofatum

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shorelineOG said:
What dispensary? If you had a rare cut they might trade. Says a lot about people that hoard strains. I hear about people price gouging or doing crazy trades with the shoreline cut that I give out for free. Anyone in Colorado looking for the real TX shoreline I would suggest asking me for verification or looking up old pictures of it before the fakes from devils harvest came out.
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No idea what dispensary, via a dealer in an illegal state...
 
nomofatum

nomofatum

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jwreck

jwreck

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The real reason S1s are frowned upon is because MJ is a cross pollinating plant. Plants like MJ suffer whats called inbreeding depression and the self cross increases this depression even more than crossing strains of the same genes ex..F1,F2,F3

S1 seeds is the easiest and fastest way to get a representation of what you want but if that clone only came from a herm then the seeds it produces will be S2s not S1s as the clone only came from a selfed plant.

I believe thats why some S1s turn to shit cuz they are really S2s and S3s who knows
 
since1991

since1991

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Ive grown s1 gorilla glue #4....and recently was gifted the real. The real clone only is much bigger yielding and much more smelly and frosty. The s1 was just a "less" of the real on all points. And iam not even done running the real gg#4. I can tell already. The s1 i had lacked the vigor of the real gg#4 cut in every way. Smell...yield...veg growth...trichome production...its truly the better plant. Even to a novice or non grower eyes and nose. Its obvious as hell. I get the Glue hype now. Its justified.
 
Odin*

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I would suck if someone received a cut as n "original", grew it out, it's "bunk", and are then turned off to that strain. When an opportunity arises to get that cut (only legit this time), they may turn it down due to bad past experience, only to lose out on a good cut.



I do want to thank the poor sons of bitches that seeded the shit out of their room. The beans my sis gave me are killer. I haven't smelled the chocolate coffee bubba musk in about 8, maybe 9, years. There is also what seems to be an OG X Cookie group also. These guys had some good cuts. Much appreciation to whoever you are. :bigjoint:
 
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