Monsanto cannabis yes or no? The DNA Protection Act of 2013

Genetically Engineered Cannabis yes or no?

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DNAprotection said:
ChesusRice, I'm not saying you shouldn't have that choice, but the fact remains that many (possibly the majority) folks do not want to consume GMO cannabis, so as long as you keep the offspring separated we will all get along just fine ;)
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You have failed to show that there is more harm burning GMO weed versus non GMO weed
Are you worried GMO weed will be more carcinogenic?
 
ChesusRice said:
You have failed to show that there is more harm burning GMO weed versus non GMO weed
Are you worried GMO weed will be more carcinogenic?
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Chesus do you even read before you respond? Because t seems that it is you that has "failed" entirely to grasp the issue here. Some how you still seem to think the question is if GMO cannabis is good for you or bad for you and plainly such is not the question at hand. In fact your summation is not even relevant to the question.
You want to access patented commercial intellectual property that would pollute the gene pool of the general commons if not kept separated. We all have in common ownership of the commons and have the natural human right to access such to live. Your choice to access the privatized for commerce plant varieties is fine as long as it doesn't degrade 'the people's' protected rights to access the general commons. Cross pollination contamination is where you cross the jurisdictional line and begin to degrade the overriding human right to access the naturally occurring commons.
I'll once again repeat the questions you have failed to address:

1. Does government have jurisdictional authority to "schedule", or "regulate" your access to naturally occurring plants outside of commercial activity?

2. Do you understand that by agreeing to government holding such jurisdictional reach as to essentially have authority to generally outlaw any natural plant species, does in fact extinguish your naturally endowed constitutionally protected right to grow even a carrot, and that the only reason you can do so now is because they still allow you to?

3. Do you understand that by supporting and passing any "regulation" at this point (without first addressing the 1st question posed here), is viewed in the broader sense of the law as consenting to the jurisdictional authority and agreeing that government does have authority to generally outlaw any natural plant species and thereby your access to it even outside of commercial jurisdiction/activities?
 
ChesusRice said:
We have been genetically modifying crops for 1000s of years
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Oh CR are you really still playing that debunked card? Do you really think folks reading here are that unfamiliar with the facts that they would fall for such TRUMPeting?
Well if anyone reading here still doesn't understand the difference between traditional horticulture practices (where DNA is non patentable) and gene splicing to achieve "original intellectual property", then please hear this interview with DR Vandana Shiva that I co-hosted on Turning Point:
 
DNAprotection said:
Oh CR are you really still playing that debunked card? Do you really think folks reading here are that unfamiliar with the facts that they would fall for such TRUMPeting?
Well if anyone reading here still doesn't understand the difference between traditional horticulture practices (where DNA is non patentable) and gene splicing to achieve "original intellectual property", then please hear this interview with DR Vandana Shiva that I co-hosted on Turning Point:
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Ill buy GMO seeds
And I'm still going to vaccinate my kids,self and dogs
 
ChesusRice said:
Ill buy GMO seeds
And I'm still going to vaccinate my kids,self and dogs
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GMO is not the same thing at all.

When one is vaccinated, it stops there. A person who doesn't get a vaccination cannot be affected by your choice.

When one plants GMOs capable of reproducing and releasing pollen, their plants contaminate any other plants around that are able to cross pollinate with the GMOs. Once in the environment, its too late. And then the mega-corporation has a lock on any previously natural plants in the area because they now contain their patented genes. Not only that, but people who don't want or need that patented gene in their plants will have to take special measures to prevent it. In other words, GMO's contaminate the environment yet it's everybody else's responsibility to avoid the contamination if they want to live free of it. The GMO laws are a completely bassackwards legal construct that's being foisted on a mostly unwilling population.

Its not just about MJ, all agriculture are in play..
 
Fogdog said:
GMO is not the same thing at all.

When one is vaccinated, it stops there. A person who doesn't get a vaccination cannot be affected by your choice.

When one plants GMOs capable of reproducing and releasing pollen, their plants contaminate any other plants around that are able to cross pollinate with the GMOs. Once in the environment, its too late. And then the mega-corporation has a lock on any previously natural plants in the area because they now contain their patented genes. Not only that, but people who don't want or need that patented gene in their plants will have to take special measures to prevent it. In other words, GMO's contaminate the environment yet it's everybody else's responsibility to avoid the contamination if they want to live free of it. The GMO laws are a completely bassackwards legal construct that's being foisted on a mostly unwilling population.

Its not just about MJ, all agriculture are in play..
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Commercialization of weed

You aint going to stop it
 
ChesusRice said:
Commercialization of weed

You aint going to stop it
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I think you are confused about what GMOs are. Commericially available and high quality weed is already being produced with stunningly powerful and tasty quality. Produced using the same techniques used to grow excellent crops. And they keep coming up with better genetics all the time. Commercialization is already happening without Monsanto's help. And people are free to exchange seed and continue the work of improving MJ genetics.

Standard methods of horticulture are proven safe and effective. GMOs cannot be tested to prove safety. The science is too new to really understand what the long term effects will be from unnaturally produced mutations of crops. And to benefit nobody but Monsanto, they patent an entire genome because they managed to splice in one set of genes. People end up accidentally illegally growing Monsanto's synthetic genetics because Monsanto puts the onus of keeping one's own line of seed pure while Monsanto does all it can to contaminate it. All the while, they put all the risk on the community and the environment to truly test the safety of this new tech which Monsanto will own and protect. Its a "heads I win, tails you lose" proposition which should be rejected at the outset.
 
Fogdog said:
I think you are confused about what GMOs are. Commericially available and high quality weed is already being produced with stunningly powerful and tasty quality. Produced using the same techniques used to grow excellent crops. And they keep coming up with better genetics all the time. Commercialization is already happening without Monsanto's help. And people are free to exchange seed and continue the work of improving MJ genetics.

Standard methods of horticulture are proven safe and effective. GMOs cannot be tested to prove safety. The science is too new to really understand what the long term effects will be from unnaturally produced mutations of crops. And to benefit nobody but Monsanto, they patent an entire genome because they managed to splice in one set of genes. People end up accidentally illegally growing Monsanto's synthetic genetics because Monsanto puts the onus of keeping one's own line of seed pure while Monsanto does all it can to contaminate it. All the while, they put all the risk on the community and the environment to truly test the safety of this new tech which Monsanto will own and protect. Its a "heads I win, tails you lose" proposition which should be rejected at the outset.
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When it is legal federally then companys like Monsanto and Bayer will sink money into GMO weed. And you cannot stop it
 
ChesusRice said:
Then you didn't read the first post
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Simple Definition of all
  • : the whole, entire, total amount, quantity, or extent of

  • : every member or part of

  • : the whole number or sum of
What I said was "it's not all about weed anyway". The operative word is all (see definition). You might also go back and check the original post. MJ was mentioned in the introduction but the DNA protection act doesn't say a word about cannabis. The act would protect the market from GMO weed but it is much broader than that. . Its about banning living genetically engineered organisms from the state of California.

So, again, its not all about weed, anyway.
 
ChesusRice said:
I don't grow.
1 plant is a felony here and they will seize EVERYTHING
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Don't get caught it's a felony for me too. They can seize everything too but I don't technically own my home I couldn't wash that kind of money. Lol

Plus I go to prison I see my friends but that ain't happening I don't talk to rats and I don't deliver.
 
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