Can anyone passionately and intelligently explain what Southern pride in relation to the Rebel flag

[ChesusRice]

I can't put a number to it but I have seen it for myself in GA and TX.

Does it make it right or wrong? Not every person that flies that flag is a racist.

I do know that, personally, I don't fly it.

Well guess what, we know what the flag stands for now.

We don't think this is proper any more either

 

[Rob Roy]

 

[Olive Drab Green]

How many whites were enslaved?

Depends on what country you mean. The Romans enslaved people from all over the world. Some of my ancestors were forced to walk through winter the whole way across their own country with smallpox-infected blankets, and were given tiny bits of land to die upon from alcoholism.

 

[whitebb2727]

Well guess what, we know what the flag stands for now.
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We don't think this is proper any more either

Dude, I get it. I really do. Its shitty at how some people are. It is.

People have the right to fly it and think how they want. It is what it is.

Flag, no flag, put papa smurf on there if you want to. At the end of the day people are going to be who they are.

Do you get tired of talking until you are blue in the face trying to change an assholes opinion?

 

[Olive Drab Green]

Dude, I get it. I really do. Its shitty at how some people are. It is.

People have the right to fly it and think how they want. It is what it is.

Flag, no flag, put papa smurf on there if you want to. At the end of the day people are going to be who they are.

Do you get tired of talking until you are blue in the face trying to change an assholes opinion?

Well-put.

 

[Olive Drab Green]

By the way, Happy Belated/Early Thanksgiving. Mother fuckers. ;/

 

[Rob Roy]

Did he fight for the cause of slavery or not?

Cough cough....a Lincoln quote for you, Prohibitionist

"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume V, "Letter to Horace Greeley" (August 22, 1862), p. 388

 

[whitebb2727]

Well-put.

Don't get me wrong. If I saw discrimination in front of me I would say something.

 

[Olive Drab Green]

Don't get me wrong. If I saw discrimination in front of me I would say something.

Absolutely, in a heartbeat.

 

[Olive Drab Green]

Cough cough....a Lincoln quote for you, Prohibitionist

"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume V, "Letter to Horace Greeley" (August 22, 1862), p. 388

Rob Roy isn't exactly my favorite racist good ol' boy, but this is what I was referring to.

 

[Rob Roy]

Rob Roy isn't exactly my favorite racist good ol' boy, but this is what I was referring to.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. However if you were intending to call me a racist, your opinion was in error.

 

[Olive Drab Green]

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. However if you were intending to call me a racist, your opinion was in error.

Then I may be mistaken? I mistook you for being part of that group. Sincere apologies if I am wrong.

 

[UncleBuck]

I don't even know if you're trolling me at this point.

if the union did not care about slavery, then explain why so many sacrificed their own lives in the bloodshed of kansas in the 1850s.

should be easy to do if facts are on your side.

 

[Olive Drab Green]

if the union did not care about slavery, then explain why so many sacrificed their own lives in the bloodshed of kansas in the 1850s.

should be easy to do if facts are on your side.

Because the Union wanted to force the South to remain a part of the country, as it should have.

Edit: Nevermind, different question than what I perceived. What are you referring to? John Brown?

 

[UncleBuck]

Most southerners did not own slaves

in many states, more than 30% of the population were slaves. nearly 50% of families owned slaves.

http://www.civil-war.net/pages/1860_census.html

may want to stop trying to revise history, scumbag.

They didnt fight to defend slavery

then why did they list it as their very first reason for seceding and fighting?

 

[UncleBuck]

if you were intending to call me a racist, your opinion was in error.

maybe you should stop whining about "forced integration" so much then.

 

[UncleBuck]

Because the Union wanted to force the South to remain a part of the country, as it should have.

what does that have to do with kansas?

 

[Olive Drab Green]

John Brown was a freeman I believe. He initiated the insurgency in the South, but that was not an official act of war, just a precursor by a specific cell who wanted to end slavery. The country and government were more focused on stopping the secession.

 

[Olive Drab Green]

Why do you think Lincoln only signed the Emancipation Proclamation in 1863 when the war began around '61? And even that proclamation didn't abolish or illegalize slavery, it just made it law that if a slave were to escape North or freed by the advancement of the Union, they would legally be free.

 

[Olive Drab Green]

I was wrong, John Brown was a white abolitionist.