Quality over Quantity techniques

[RM3]

Do you have a youtube channel??

No, I own 420tube.org

 

[RM3]

Do you always use the glr lighting schedule?

No, right now my veg light is runnin 14:45/9:15

 

[RM3]

Have you tried low light levels for a few days, like just over compensation levels? Shaded buds look very encrusted. Maybe the optimal level for potency at the end is surprisingly low.

I'm not sure what you're asking here, low light with regard to what ?

 

[RM3]

I think the dichotomy of more vs better is a false product of binary thinking and oversimplification. There are no limits, only new options.

Love ya Bro, but in the end you are developing a system geared towards yield, and this is the way it is with regard to any cash crop. More crop = more money and I'm not saying it's wrong to think that way I actually applaud your endeavor !

But you are wrong there are limits and the grower must decide because each one of these things affect overall yield

Lower light timings = better end product due to genetic expression leaning Sativa
Standard 12/12 = higher yield but genetic expression leans Indica

And to be fair this is an area where preference matters, it may well be that the grower prefers the sedative couch lock high to cerebral energetic high. Since as a breeder/grower I prefer the high flyin trippy highs from the 60's & 70's I want my flowers leaning towards their true Sativa genetics with perhaps a minor Indica influence, so I choose the lower light timing sacrificing a bit of yield.

Blue to red ratio, it has been well known for ever that more blue = more trics, less overall yield. I run 9 blue bulbs to 6 red bulbs and because of it I sacrifice a bit of yield but have way more frost and because of the 3 UV bulbs that more frost translates into more potency. and tty this is where your Cobs fail because white Cobs means equal amounts of red/green/blue. I do realize they come in different temps leaning slightly one way or the other just like any light source. I also know you can get a deep blue Cob but have not seen anyone doing it ? Everything I've seen has been yield based.

Nutes, Low erratic dose feeding = better end product, higher steady dose feeding = higher yield. It is a true and valid art form to keep our plants healthy with minimum low dose feeding and just enough N to remain healthy & green. This style of growing causes a bit of leaf loss and therefore affects overall yield. It is well known in the Hemp growers world that high N suppresses THC and they feed high N nutes to generate high vegetative yields while keeping any THC production low as there is a guberment standard that must be kept for the Hemp classification.

Oddly enough this is the actual reason that those growers that abuse bloom boosters and flush at the end have the illusion of better weed, They think they are flushing the nutes out but what is actually happening is the plant is being starved of N and yes as stated this lowers yields and results in a better end product.

Lastly is humidity, a lower flowering humidity results in a better end product at a minor expense in yield as the plant will produce more resin to slow transpiration. A higher humidity will result in higher yield but with less resin production

So, as I already said, there is a line that the grower must choose where to draw?

Please, please please feel free to to do the side by side experiments for yourselves

 

[ttystikk]

Love ya Bro, but in the end you are developing a system geared towards yield, and this is the way it is with regard to any cash crop. More crop = more money and I'm not saying it's wrong to think that way I actually applaud your endeavor !

But you are wrong there are limits and the grower must decide because each one of these things affect overall yield

Lower light timings = better end product due to genetic expression leaning Sativa
Standard 12/12 = higher yield but genetic expression leans Indica

And to be fair this is an area where preference matters, it may well be that the grower prefers the sedative couch lock high to cerebral energetic high. Since as a breeder/grower I prefer the high flyin trippy highs from the 60's & 70's I want my flowers leaning towards their true Sativa genetics with perhaps a minor Indica influence, so I choose the lower light timing sacrificing a bit of yield.

Blue to red ratio, it has been well known for ever that more blue = more trics, less overall yield. I run 9 blue bulbs to 6 red bulbs and because of it I sacrifice a bit of yield but have way more frost and because of the 3 UV bulbs that more frost translates into more potency. and tty this is where your Cobs fail because white Cobs means equal amounts of red/green/blue. I do realize they come in different temps leaning slightly one way or the other just like any light source. I also know you can get a deep blue Cob but have not seen anyone doing it ? Everything I've seen has been yield based.

Nutes, Low erratic dose feeding = better end product, higher steady dose feeding = higher yield. It is a true and valid art form to keep our plants healthy with minimum low dose feeding and just enough N to remain healthy & green. This style of growing causes a bit of leaf loss and therefore affects overall yield. It is well known in the Hemp growers world that high N suppresses THC and they feed high N nutes to generate high vegetative yields while keeping any THC production low as there is a guberment standard that must be kept for the Hemp classification.

Oddly enough this is the actual reason that those growers that abuse bloom boosters and flush at the end have the illusion of better weed, They think they are flushing the nutes out but what is actually happening is the plant is being starved of N and yes as stated this lowers yields and results in a better end product.

Lastly is humidity, a lower flowering humidity results in a better end product at a minor expense in yield as the plant will produce more resin to slow transpiration. A higher humidity will result in higher yield but with less resin production

So, as I already said, there is a line that the grower must choose where to draw?

Please, please please feel free to to do the side by side experiments for yourselves

Respectfully, I disagree. They aren't 'limits', they're 'constraints'. There's always wiggle room, room for improvement.

Ain't a thing wrong with pushing quality techniques in a production setting. It's a very worthy goal; After all, who would be unhappy with TONS of great bud?

And before you go making blanket statements about equal parts of this and that color in COB lighting, you might look at a spectrum chart or two;

That sure doesn't look like equal parts of red, green and blue to me.

 

[RM3]

Respectfully, I disagree. They aren't 'limits', they're 'constraints'. There's always wiggle room, room for improvement.

Ain't a thing wrong with pushing quality techniques in a production setting. It's a very worthy goal; After all, who would be unhappy with TONS of great bud?

No matter how you look at it, it does not change the fact that known things that make a better end product also reduce yield, the compromise is real.

 

[RM3]

That sure doesn't look like equal parts of red, green and blue to me.

And yet it is in terms of making white, (see red line I added) and I did say that different K temps would lean sightly one way or the other
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[GuyLeDuche]

Oddly enough this is the actual reason that those growers that abuse bloom boosters and flush at the end have the illusion of better weed, They think they are flushing the nutes out but what is actually happening is the plant is being starved of N and yes as stated this lowers yields and results in a better end product.

Well that's a mic drop statement lol. "Here's your knowledge, I'm out"


@RM3 can I get a few tips on root health? I'm growing in SS#4 with some perlite added and about 2 weeks ago I added kelp to the rotation, but I keep noticing after harvest my rootball is only about half the pot, and I use small 5-7gal with 6wk-ish veg Seems like this is where I can get better, surely? Mostly what I see is amending soil and building happy micro-organisms in the root zone but we soilless folk don't do that do we? I'm happy to lace my soil with some type of meal or myco but there are way too many labels out there and I hate paying for marketing budgets

 

[RM3]

Well that's a mic drop statement lol. "Here's your knowledge, I'm out"


@RM3 can I get a few tips on root health? I'm growing in SS#4 with some perlite added and about 2 weeks ago I added kelp to the rotation, but I keep noticing after harvest my rootball is only about half the pot, and I use small 5-7gal with 6wk-ish veg Seems like this is where I can get better, surely? Mostly what I see is amending soil and building happy micro-organisms in the root zone but we soilless folk don't do that do we? I'm happy to lace my soil with some type of meal or myco but there are way too many labels out there and I hate paying for marketing budgets

When I use 5 gallon pots (which I admit is rare) I veg for 9 weeks, filling the pot with roots is a veg thing. I regularly grow 3 foot plants in 1/2 gallon pots without issue and avg veg is 4 weeks

There are products that stimulate root growth, but I don't use any of em

 

[GuyLeDuche]

When I use 5 gallon pots (which I admit is rare) I veg for 9 weeks, filling the pot with roots is a veg thing. I regularly grow 3 foot plants in 1/2 gallon pots without issue and avg veg is 4 weeks

There are products that stimulate root growth, but I don't use any of em

Yea that makes sense, less transplanting and more variety with that style it seems. I've only ran a few clones from rooted to 12/12 in the 1/2gals and got pretty good results, so I can see how with some veg and some skill that could really be a good way for me to grow. I'm still finding my feet in this whole grow business, I never had a houseplant a year ago... But we were spending $400/month at the med shop for junk, that's just not sustainable and I don't mind learning

I do have back issues that had me in the med shop to begin with, so I don't love the 7gal pots, I guess like most noobs I just wanted a pile of bud so I got the "bigger is better" disease lol. Now you got me thinking about a 9 plant flower staggered so I can harvest 1 a week if I time it right. Doesn't have to be that big at all if it's good, and I wouldn't have to sit and trim for hours at once. Anybody ever tell you you're a pretty smart guy? Seriously though, I have learned a ton from you in the last year (or 10 years of posts, depending how you look at it ) , and it's all much appreciated! For a guy with a book you do give away more than many others would and I think that's pretty cool.

 

[RM3]

Yea that makes sense, less transplanting and more variety with that style it seems. I've only ran a few clones from rooted to 12/12 in the 1/2gals and got pretty good results, so I can see how with some veg and some skill that could really be a good way for me to grow. I'm still finding my feet in this whole grow business, I never had a houseplant a year ago... But we were spending $400/month at the med shop for junk, that's just not sustainable and I don't mind learning

I do have back issues that had me in the med shop to begin with, so I don't love the 7gal pots, I guess like most noobs I just wanted a pile of bud so I got the "bigger is better" disease lol. Now you got me thinking about a 9 plant flower staggered so I can harvest 1 a week if I time it right. Doesn't have to be that big at all if it's good, and I wouldn't have to sit and trim for hours at once. Anybody ever tell you you're a pretty smart guy? Seriously though, I have learned a ton from you in the last year (or 10 years of posts, depending how you look at it ) , and it's all much appreciated! For a guy with a book you do give away more than many others would and I think that's pretty cool.

Like it says on the site if ya look you can find most of the info but it is spread across several different sites. Never intended to get rich off it and don't wanna be famous LOL

 

[GuyLeDuche]

Like it says on the site if ya look you can find most of the info but it is spread across several different sites. Never intended to get rich off it and don't wanna be famous LOL

Yea I don't mind mining for gold, I seem to always find the most enlightenment in some casual nugget on page 343 lol.

One such is your pc fans below the canopy pushing co2 up , makes such good sense to me.

 

[BobCajun]

I'm not sure what you're asking here, low light with regard to what ?

I meant turning the lights down, like with a dimmer, for the last few days of flowering. I'll try it myself. Seems counterintuitive but may make a plant less harsh or something.

 

[RM3]

I meant turning the lights down, like with a dimmer, for the last few days of flowering. I'll try it myself. Seems counterintuitive but may make a plant less harsh or something.

Have never dimmed em, but have added shade, saw no difference when I did

 

[shorelineOG]

Have never dimmed em, but have added shade, saw no difference when I did

How come under a trampoline where it is shaded the grass grows a lot taller? My plants under the lights are always bigger than the ones off to the side.

 

[Ford Racing]

How come under a trampoline where it is shaded the grass grows a lot taller? My plants under the lights are always bigger than the ones off to the side.

Because you don't weed eat or mow under the trampoline

 

[ttystikk]

How come under a trampoline where it is shaded the grass grows a lot taller? My plants under the lights are always bigger than the ones off to the side.

Sunlight isn't drying the ground as much.

 

[shorelineOG]

Because you don't weed eat or mow under the trampoline

Maybe the grass is stretching to get light. A lot of growers are keeping their lights higher than we use to but I always felt like blasting them with intense light is better.

 

[RM3]

How come under a trampoline where it is shaded the grass grows a lot taller? My plants under the lights are always bigger than the ones off to the side.

Etioliation The blades of grass will be taller and thinner because they are looking for light

 

[RM3]

Maybe the grass is stretching to get light. A lot of growers are keeping their lights higher than we use to but I always felt like blasting them with intense light is better.

It's not