Three a Light???

akhiymjames

akhiymjames

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ififswerespliffs said:
Also my understanding is pull all fans 10 days before flip to 12/12. Then again at day 21 of flower.
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Day one of flower then at 21 days of flip. Watch the lil video but yea I agree the nutes the the co2 the veg time is all in there fore sure but I just want to see a real side by side of the exact same pheno not from seed clones and they both in same environment just to see.
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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ififswerespliffs said:
Just a heads up on threealight side by side. The theory is not just defoliation. It's combined with a nutrient change and ppm increase. I'm not vouching for the program. However I know his theory is to replace the micro and macro nutrients missing from the leaves by higher ppm at the transition of defoliation.
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that concept is a bit scientifically flawed, no?
and yes that's me being facetious.

"strip those leaves, but pump up the PPMS to compensate for them, it works, trust me."

Hmmmmm....

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PerfectGrower

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Hey RM3,

I like your side by sides and it proves that defoliating will slow a plant down.

That being said, the demonstration in this video is a high yield technique and has been used for years by advanced growers. It is not new but there is an important note to consider...

You are doing a side by side where both plants have enough "space" to get adequate light. These high yield techniques in cages put a lot of tops into a very small area. The only way to make this work is to pull a lot of the fan leaves and allow the light to penetrate into this dense canopy of tops. Will the tops be smaller? Yes. If you took that same plant and gave it "more" space with less defoliating, would it be bigger? Yes. The reality is in a setup like this, that space doesn't exist.


I hope that makes sense. The idea is really to stack a ton of tops in a small area and thin the area around it. The colas will be a little smaller but you'll have a lot of them to make up for it.


I've seen setups that have even more tops that what this video shows. If it's done right, the yields are very nice :)
 
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RM3

RM3

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PerfectGrower said:
Hey RM3,

I like your side by sides and it proves that defoliating will slow a plant down.

That being said, the demonstration in this video is a high yield technique and has been used for years by advanced growers. It is not new but there is an important note to consider...

You are doing a side by side where both plants have enough "space" to get adequate light. These high yield techniques in cages put a lot of tops into a very small area. The only way to make this work is to pull a lot of the fan leaves and allow the light to penetrate into this dense canopy of tops. Will the tops be smaller? Yes. If you took that same plant and gave it "more" space with less defoliating, would it be bigger? Yes. The reality is in a setup like this, that space doesn't exist.


I hope that makes sense. The idea is really to stack a ton of tops in a small area and thin the area around it. The colas will be a little smaller but you'll have a lot of them to make up for it.
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IMO calling it an advanced technique is skewed as it is more a commercial production technique, more overall yield with less trimmin (at harvest) Da bean counters love it :)

and yeppers, am aware of these things, I just feel it is wrong to present the notion to new growers, growing a few plants for their personal needs, as an advanced technique that increases yield as it really doesn't
 
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PerfectGrower

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But see then again why is this right too? A few plants with enough space...sure I would do limited defoliating.

A few larger plants in limited space? This same technique applies to a tent with a single light that is crowded :)

I personally feel these guys are going a little too far. I've seen better results doing perpetual thinning of 50-60% over the plant's life.

But you are right and something all growers need to understand. There is no 1 size fits all. It all depends on your setup. Test, observe and correct. That's the key to growing :)

My 2 cents.
 
RM3

RM3

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PerfectGrower said:
But see then again why is this right too? A few plants with enough space...sure I would do limited defoliating.

A few larger plants in limited space? This same technique applies to a tent with a single light that is crowded :)

I personally feel these guys are going a little too far. I've seen better results doing perpetual thinning of 50-60% over the plant's life.

But you are right and something all growers need to understand. There is no 1 size fits all. It all depends on your setup. Test, observe and correct. That's the key to growing :)

My 2 cents.
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Yeah I would never crowd my plants cause I don't like em stinkin and because I breed I like to see how the whole plant grows

and we totally agree on test/experiment, observe & correct/adjust

I never care what others actually do in their gardens it's the presentation I disagree with when they post do this, this way and use this and this will happen. Which is never true because no two gardens are exactly alike
 
RM3

RM3

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D_Urbmon said:
Side by side with seeds? :roll:
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it's the same strain and the same pheno, plants were identical before the schwazzee

And I have no problem doin it again with identical clones, the results will be the same, this is not the first time I've done this. Last time I did 3 clones, one I removed all the leaves, one I removed just the big fans, one I left alone. The one I left alone won then too 8)
 
D_Urbmon

D_Urbmon

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RM3 said:
it's the same strain and the same pheno, plants were identical before the schwazzee

And I have no problem doin it again with identical clones, the results will be the same, this is not the first time I've done this. Last time I did 3 clones, one I removed all the leaves, one I removed just the big fans, one I left alone. The one I left alone won then too 8)
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Identical from seed? I doubt that.

would be nice to see you do it with clones though. That would give it much more merit.
 
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PerfectGrower

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RM3 said:
Yeah I would never crowd my plants cause I don't like em stinkin and because I breed I like to see how the whole plant grows

and we totally agree on test/experiment, observe & correct/adjust

I never care what others actually do in their gardens it's the presentation I disagree with when they post do this, this way and use this and this will happen. Which is never true because no two gardens are exactly alike
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Bingo!

That's why we made our nutrient company different. We are teaching our customers how to change and test different nutrient profiles. This is the next step in grower evolution. As you've stated, no 2 grow rooms have the exact same variables (unless the same grower is controlling them)!
 
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