Jacks (JR Peters) nutrients

[az2000]

6 plants, Jacks Citrus, Epson, Xtreme Mycos, Cheap Lowe's Promix ($14 2.2 cu ft), perlite.

Your Lowes sells Pro-Mix? The ones in my area did a close-out sale over a year ago. (I grabbed 6 bales.). Someone at Lowes told me the distributor was prevented from selling it through consumer big-box retail stores. According to Premier Hort., it's only supposed to be available through specialty nursery shops, hydro stores, etc.

At that time I mentioned it at my local hydro store (HomeGrown Urban Gardening in the Phoenix area). Later I overheard the bitch who managed the store saying she was the one who complained to Premier (or the distributor) and had Lowes shut down. That changed my opinion of the store. They cut back hours, closed a store, she's gone now. But, I rarely buy anything there because of that.

The Lowes in Phoenix sell a Premier Hort. sphagnum peat which is very inexpensive. Doesn't seem to have been treated with dolomite. I've been thinking about trying that with a heavy dose of dolomite, 40% perlite and some Xtreme Kykos to recreate Pro-Mix HP. That would be 1/2 the price of Pro-Mix HP.

 

[bravedave]

Your Lowes sells Pro-Mix? The ones in my area did a close-out sale over a year ago. (I grabbed 6 bales.). Someone at Lowes told me the distributor was prevented from selling it through consumer big-box retail stores. According to Premier Hort., it's only supposed to be available through specialty nursery shops, hydro stores, etc.

At that time I mentioned it at my local hydro store (HomeGrown Urban Gardening in the Phoenix area). Later I overheard the bitch who managed the store saying she was the one who complained to Premier (or the distributor) and had Lowes shut down. That changed my opinion of the store. They cut back hours, closed a store, she's gone now. But, I rarely buy anything there because of that.

The Lowes in Phoenix sell a Premier Hort. sphagnum peat which is very inexpensive. Doesn't seem to have been treated with dolomite. I've been thinking about trying that with a heavy dose of dolomite, 40% perlite and some Xtreme Kykos to recreate Pro-Mix HP. That would be 1/2 the price of Pro-Mix HP.

I have found the same stuff at Lowes and Home Depot. It has been awhile since I got it at Lowes though.
Yeah I think I got the idea from you about building my own HP. I wrote it up a year ago.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/the-best-deals-thread-post-best-deals-and-lowest-prices-links.237610/page-116#post-11284783

I love it. The Mykos seems to be working nicely too... Actually think the tranplant application of it is better than just mixing it in.
I too have seen the Premier. I already have a bunch of dolomite so maybe soon.

 

[az2000]

I have found the same stuff at Lowes and Home Depot. It has been awhile since I got it at Lowes though.
Yeah I think I got the idea from you about building my own HP. I wrote it up a year ago.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/the-best-deals-thread-post-best-deals-and-lowest-prices-links.237610/page-116#post-11284783

Nice. I remember we talked about it. I'm confused though. Which Pro-Mix product are you using? It sounds like you're not using the basic peat product, but an actual Pro-Mix. I noticed Premier is now selling a disorienting number of "Pro-Mix" products, including some colorful consumer bags of stuff (vegetable, tomato, garden, orchid, etc.).

A link to the exact product (and how much you mix it, Xtreme and dolomite) would be helpful (if you haven't done that elsewhere). I still have a lot of Pro-Mix HP+Myco (from the closeout). But, eventually I will try DIY.

 

[bravedave]

Nice. I remember we talked about it. I'm confused though. Which Pro-Mix product are you using? It sounds like you're not using the basic peat product, but an actual Pro-Mix. I noticed Premier is now selling a disorienting number of "Pro-Mix" products, including some colorful consumer bags of stuff (vegetable, tomato, garden, orchid, etc.).

A link to the exact product (and how much you mix it, Xtreme and dolomite) would be helpful (if you haven't done that elsewhere). I still have a lot of Pro-Mix HP+Myco (from the closeout). But, eventually I will try DIY.

Yeah it is/was a low end Promix. But I just got through googling all over and I didn't see it. Was 13.97 for 2,2 last time i purchased. I may be pushed into a plain peat. There was another local hardware that had some...may have to stop on my way home.

 

[frizzelrip]

So i went up and down the thread if anyone knows please share,
Does supplementing dolomite lime in my ProMix mixture provide me with enough Cal-mag for my girls or will i need to supplement?
Ive read Epsom and calcium sulfate can be used or a liquid cal-mag to supplement? Is this what i will need? Again this is my first full go around using the Jacks so any advice would be great, From what ive researched i think i should be using the Citrus feed all the way through start to finish.Im Using a Pro-mix BX/Perlite/Vermiculite mix ammended with some dolomite lime.
Guys , I have a sweet xmas promo coming with some different genetics that i prefer not to funk up.Im really looking foward to growing some good funk the most cost effective way possible, Im so pumped!

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[az2000]

I add 1 to 1.5Tbsp/gal Fertilome Hy-Yield Agrigultural Lime (dolomite) to my Pro-Mix HP. I mix my 800ppm tap with RO to get 150ppm. I rarely have Mg or Ca def. When I do, I use Epsom or gypsum (calcium sulfate), or calcium acetate (dissolved eggshell). But, like I said, I rarely have to use it.

 

[frizzelrip]

I add 1 to 1.5Tbsp/gal Fertilome Hy-Yield Agrigultural Lime (dolomite) to my Pro-Mix HP. I mix my 800ppm tap with RO to get 150ppm. I rarely have Mg or Ca def. When I do, I use Epsom or gypsum (calcium sulfate), or calcium acetate (dissolved eggshell). But, like I said, I rarely have to use it.

So you think it would be beneficial to do the same?
Because my tap-water (well water) is about the same 750-800ppm and mid range ph of 6.4-6.7. I was getting deficiencies back then in a supersoil recipe and switched up to an RO system and didnt have that problem since..but pure RO with jacks would be more deficiency prone than if I would cut it with my tapwater?
Btw thanks for the response, I haven't been active in a while and I know i could always rely on RIU for great support in the past, and im glad thats still the case..

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[az2000]

My tap is 800. Using it by itself creates something like a lockout condition (useless ppms competing with 400 nutrient ppms). We always hear RO water by itself contributes to Ca & Mg deficiencies. I've never tried RO by itself without using "calmag." I switched to tap/RO to get 150ppm and it seems to work well (better due to not acidifying my nutrient mix, requiring the use of ph-up. I don't ph now.).

I've been thinking about adding 1g epsom and gypsum to each gallon of RO (instead of adding tap). I'd like to see how that works. It would produce about 150ppm water. But, the p's in the "pm" would be better stuff I think. (My tap is mostly sodium and sulfates. Only about 20-30 are Ca and Mg.).

 

[frizzelrip]

My tap is 800. Using it by itself creates something like a lockout condition (useless ppms competing with 400 nutrient ppms). We always hear RO water by itself contributes to Ca & Mg deficiencies. I've never tried RO by itself without using "calmag." I switched to tap/RO to get 150ppm and it seems to work well (better due to not acidifying my nutrient mix, requiring the use of ph-up. I don't ph now.).

I've been thinking about adding 1g epsom and gypsum to each gallon of RO (instead of adding tap). I'd like to see how that works. It would produce about 150ppm water. But, the p's in the "pm" would be better stuff I think. (My tap is mostly sodium and sulfates. Only about 20-30 are Ca and Mg.).

Yes! Makes alot of sense, Im gonna give that a go for this first run and see how it goes, Are you running the Citrus feed all the way through veg and flower? I think thats what im going to do, it seems to be what most are doing with great results.Maybe mix in some Jacks blossom booster early-mid flower and see how it goes.

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[az2000]

Are you running the Citrus feed all the way through veg and flower?

Whoops? I didn't intend to imply I use Jacks. I use Grow More Sea Grow (more organic ingredients, see my schedule here.).

From what I can tell, Jacks Citrus has twice the Mg my nutrients do.

Are you running the Citrus feed all the way through veg and flower? I think thats what im going to do, it seems to be what most are doing with great results

If I used it, I would get All Purpose, Citrus and Bloom Booster. As "parts:"

Veg: (NPK ratio: 1.5 - 1 - 1.5)

1 AP
2 Citrus​

I might vary that to 1:1 parts and get 1.3-1-1.3​

Transition (NPK ratio: 1-1-1)

1 AP​

Early flower (1-1.2-1.2)

1 AP
1 Citrus
1 BB​

Maybe drop the AP at times to get 1-1.3-1.3​

Mid flower (1-1.5-1.33)

1 AP
1.5 Citrus
2 BB​

Late flower (1-2-1.6)

1 Citrus
3 BB​

I would buy potassium sulfate on Amazon or eBay (Alpha Int'l Chemical) and add a touch of that to get the K up to 1.6 to 1.8 ).

I'm probably being anal about it. But, those ratios (but higher K) are working well for me with the Grow More Sea Grow. It probably doesn't make sense when people buy a 5lb tub of one product. But, that's what I would do. I like varying the ratios through the grow (enough not to get N def in flower).

 

[eastcoastled]

Anybody who has ordered direct from JR peters care to share how the packaging was on a 25lb bag? I want to order a 25lb bag, but don't want it to show up at my doorstep in the manufacturers packaging with a shipping label stuck to it. Hoping they at least box it up properly. I figure they have to at least box it up, but you never know.

 

[MisterBlah]

Here's the percentages of everything needed to recreate a few of their products. There's a lot of decimal places to make sure I I didn't lose any precision on the micro nutrients.

Jacks Hydroponic 5-12-26

Magnesium Nitrate: 32.34490%
Potassium Sulfate: 22.09204%
Magnesium Sulfate: 21.20902%
Dipotassium Phosphate: 18.60148%
Mono Ammonium Phosphate: 3.64812%
Fe-chelated 18%: 1.36693%
Bo-chelated 15%: 0.27337%
Mn-chelated 18%: 0.22777%
Mo-Chelated 8%: 0.10252%
Cu-chelated 17%: 0.07234%
Zn-chelated 20%: 0.06151%

Jacks Hydro Feed 16-4-17

Potassium Nitrate: 20.72626%
Calcium Nitrate: 17.26711%
Magnesium Nitrate: 17.08725%
Ammonium Nitrate: 16.81158%
Dipotassium Phosphate: 8.04499%
Fe-chelated 18%: 0.45562%
Bo-chelated 15%: 0.08743%
Mn-chelated 18%: 0.22777%
Mo-Chelated 8%: 0.08202%
Cu-chelated 17%: 0.04339%
Zn-chelated 20%: 0.16404%

Classic All Purpose 20-20-20

Ammonium Nitrate: 43.34724%
Mono Potassium Phosphate: 31.54226%
Potassium Nitrate: 11.87617%
Fe-chelated 18%: 0.45562%
Bo-chelated 15%: 0.10662%
Mn-chelated 18%: 0.22777%
Mo-Chelated 8%: 0.00923%
Cu-chelated 17%: 0.24122%
Zn-chelated 20%: 0.20505%

Classic Citrus Feed 20-10-20

Ammonium Nitrate: 45.63515%
Potassium Sulfate: 21.48174%
Mono Potassium Phosphate: 15.77114%
Magnesium Nitrate: 7.34839%
Magnesium Sulfate: 1.17086%
Fe-chelated 18%: 0.68346%
Bo-chelated 15%: 0.10933%
Mn-chelated 18%: 0.34175%
Mo-Chelated 8%: 0.00923%
Cu-chelated 17%: 0.24122%
Zn-chelated 20%: 0.20505%

Classic Blossom Booster 10-30-20

Mono Potassium Phosphate: 47.31342%
Ammonium Nitrate: 22.55756%
Magnesium Nitrate: 4.27182%
Fe-chelated 18%: 0.45566%
Bo-chelated 15%: 0.10933%
Mn-chelated 18%: 0.22783%
Mo-Chelated 8%: 0.00923%
Cu-chelated 17%: 0.24122%
Zn-chelated 20%: 0.20505%

If you are making 1.0 kg mixes of each of these, here's the recipe:

Jacks Hydroponic 5-12-26
Magnesium Nitrate : 323.449 g
Potassium Sulfate : 220.920 g
Magnesium Sulfate : 212.090 g
Dipotassium Phosphate : 186.015 g
Mono Ammonium Phosphate : 36.481 g
Fe-chelated 18% : 13.669 g
Bo-chelated 15% : 2.734 g
Mn-chelated 18% : 2.278 g
Mo-Chelated 8% : 1.025 g
Cu-chelated 17% : 0.723 g
Zn-chelated 20% : 0.615 g

Jacks Hydro Feed 16-4-17
Potassium Nitrate : 207.263 g
Calcium Nitrate : 172.671 g
Magnesium Nitrate : 170.872 g
Ammonium Nitrate : 168.116 g
Dipotassium Phosphate : 80.450 g
Fe-chelated 18% : 4.556 g
Bo-chelated 15% : 0.874 g
Mn-chelated 18% : 2.278 g
Mo-Chelated 8% : 0.820 g
Cu-chelated 17% : 0.434 g
Zn-chelated 20% : 1.640 g

Classic All Purpose 20-20-20
Ammonium Nitrate: 433.472 g
Mono Potassium Phosphate : 315.423 g
Potassium Nitrate: 118.762 g
Fe-chelated 18% : 4.556 g
Bo-chelated 15% : 1.066 g
Mn-chelated 18% : 2.278 g
Mo-Chelated 8% : 0.092 g
Cu-chelated 17% : 2.412 g
Zn-chelated 20% : 2.050 g

Classic Citrus Feed 20-10-20
Ammonium Nitrate : 456.352 g
Potassium Sulfate : 214.817 g
Mono Potassium Phosphate : 157.711 g
Magnesium Nitrate : 73.484 g
Magnesium Sulfate : 11.709 g
Fe-chelated 18% : 6.835 g
Bo-chelated 15% : 1.093 g
Mn-chelated 18% : 3.417 g
Mo-Chelated 8% : 0.092 g
Cu-chelated 17% : 2.412 g
Zn-chelated 20% : 2.050 g

Classic Blossom Booster 10-30-20
Mono Potassium Phosphate : 473.134 g
Ammonium Nitrate : 225.576 g
Magnesium Nitrate : 42.718 g
Fe-chelated 18% : 4.557 g
Bo-chelated 15% : 1.093 g
Mn-chelated 18% : 2.278 g
Mo-Chelated 8% : 0.092 g
Cu-chelated 17% : 2.412 g
Zn-chelated 20% : 2.050 g

 

[boostedhonda]

does anyone use the ph adjuster from jr peters? dont know if using the gh ph up and down would work the same

 

[dannyboy602]

is anyone going to expand on the differences between blue nitroform fertilizers like jacks or mg and organic means of delivering nitrogen to your plants? I'm all for organic when its convenient but really, the plant doesn't care where it gets its nitrogen from.
i could copy and paste something if anyone is interested.

 

[Trippyness]

Most growers don't know that the secret nute for potency is sulfur, the Citrus FeED has 4.9% and the Aquagold has 9%. I also add Potassium Sulfate (which I get from JR Peters) as it is 18% sulfur and a 0-0-50. Tis also why I prefer Gypsum and Epsom for Cal/Mag issues as they both are Sulfates. I've been gardening over 40 years

What are your ratios? Very interested in switching from Maxi.
Also why not using the Citrus all the way though? What are the differences from adding the aqua?

 

[RM3]

What are your ratios? Very interested in switching from Maxi.
Also why not using the Citrus all the way though? What are the differences from adding the aqua?

Citrus is a 20-10-20 Aquagold is 7-15-30 and before they came out with Aqua I did run citrus all the thru
not sure what your asking on ratio's ?

 

[bravedave]

Citrus is a 20-10-20 Aquagold is 7-15-30 and before they came out with Aqua I did run citrus all the thru
not sure what your asking on ratio's ?

I have been running citrus straight through while keeping an Mg deficiency in check with epson.
Aqua gold is still not on their website. Do you know if it comes in the tubs? Would you share What qty. you purchasing and for what $$$. I assume the 26lb. And the K2SO4, do you add for noticeable need or for affect? If affect, When do you start to add and at what Qty per gallon?

 

[Trippyness]

Citrus is a 20-10-20 Aquagold is 7-15-30 and before they came out with Aqua I did run citrus all the thru
not sure what your asking on ratio's ?

Meaning, did running aquagold affect quality or yield instead of citrus all the way through?
Also you running Cal Nit and Epson I assume?
As for ratios, meaning are you running any citrus and aqua in flower together?

 

[RM3]

Meaning, did running aquagold affect quality or yield instead of citrus all the way through?
Also you running Cal Nit and Epson I assume?
As for ratios, meaning are you running any citrus and aqua in flower together?

I feed based on what I see, never a fixed amount, never on a schedule, and yes I have mixed em if what I saw required a bump of N to keep things on track. I grow for quality, never yield, so I can't say how yield might be affected or different ?

 

[Trippyness]

I feed based on what I see, never a fixed amount, never on a schedule, and yes I have mixed em if what I saw required a bump of N to keep things on track. I grow for quality, never yield, so I can't say how yield might be affected or different ?

Indeed, I found quite a while ago that feeding on a schedule has screwed me before and I feed what I see. Good to know.
One last thing. Cal Sulf or Cal Nit and why? I assume you use Sulf due to Sulfur to feed trics?