UncleBuck
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is this a serious question?
EXCUSE ME?!..The OFFICIAL Bernie Sanders For President 2016 Thread
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bluntmassa1
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Yup. Cat got your tounge? The times put racism down more than anything in fact laws are what oppress black people laws put in place by Clinton a Democrap.
bluntmassa1
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What about the home invasion on a friend 10 miles away? Him and his damn near wife are dead and he didn't have a gun.
Plus that ain't the only reason I have guns they are fun and I like to hunt. Nobody will pull a home invasion on me houses get robbed like a bastard in rural areas but not mine.
bluntmassa1
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Did you just realize the Clinton's are what you accuse Trump off??
Fogdog
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That trope "why don't we ban pools, because they kill people too" is so old and idiotic. If gun owners would follow the safety guidelines laid out by their own lobby group, gun accidents would be non existent. And, there are laws in municipalities that require fences around pools. Nobody thinks there is anything wrong about them.
There is nothing unconstitutional about being smart. You seem to think otherwise.
UncleBuck
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does that single case, which sounds completely made up by some moron on the internet, change the statistics over tens of thousands of cases?
ttystikk
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We do not live in a democracy. It's been subverted by both political parties for the purpose of ensuring that only those candidates who the party elite will accept will ever get the chance to run in the general, call it the mafia effect;
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2016/04/american-democracy-rigged-160424071608730.html
American democracy is rigged
The Republican and Democratic parties are functioning like two identical but competing Orwellian Ministries of Truth.
Hamid Dabashi
Hamid Dabashi is the Hagop Kevorkian Professor of Iranian Studies and Comparative Literature at Columbia University.
@HamidDabashi
In the United States presidential elections, there are two towering political parties - the Democratic and the Republican - that during the course of their "primary" elections get to choose who will be their respective candidates in the course of a national election.
Although any US citizen can join these two parties - or any other political party - millions of eligible voters have not, and consider themselves "independent".
These independent voters get to vote in the general elections like anyone else, but by the time we get to that general election in November, the two dominant political parties have already elected their nominee, and, therefore, US citizens at large have to vote for one of these preselected nominees if they want their vote to have a role in who their next president will be.
This entirely undemocratic, arcane, draconian, and ipso facto rigged aspect of the US electoral system came to a crucial dead-end during the New York primaries of the Democratic and Republican parties on April 19, when Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump won their respective primaries.
Decisive setback
In many significant ways, the presidential primaries in New York were a turning point in the unfolding saga of Bernie Sanders' bid for the US presidency.
His crushing defeat by the former state secretary marks a decisive setback that may, in fact, end his candidacy and usher his massively popular campaign into a new phase, with or without the prospect of US presidency.
So crucial was this victory for Clinton that soon after this primary, the New York Times - which now openly, unabashedly, and against any norm of journalistic decency or professionalism acts as the official organ of Clinton's campaign - was so confident of her victory that it began to speculate about who her running mate might be.
These primaries were not like any other; New York is the financial, commercial, cultural, and intellectual capital of the US. What happens in New York (and a few other major cosmopolitan epicenters like Chicago and San Francisco) is, in many ways, the barometer of the nation at large.
Some 20 million people live in the state of New York, of which about 8.4 million live just in New York City. This population figure places New York City above many European democracies, such as Austria, Denmark, Finland, Norway, Sweden, and Switzerland.
Now, consider the fact that according toreports, "only 19.7 percent of eligible New Yorkers cast a ballot, the second-lowest voter turnout among primary states after Louisiana, according to elections expert Michael McDonald".
This is not to mention the fact that even those who were registered Democrats and could not vote: "The Kings County Board of Elections purged 126,000 registered Democrats from the voting rolls in Brooklyn, prompting an outcry from Mayor Bill de Blasio and an audit from Comptroller Scott Stringer."
Whatever the cause of this "purge" (fraud or mishap), this is not the main calamity of the electoral process in the US.
The issue is the fact that less than 20 percent of eligible voters in a statewide election get to choose who the next presidential candidates in the US national elections would be.
This low number is not any indication of an apathetic low voter turnout, but, in fact, is the evidence of massive voter suppression that, in the racist parlance of the white supremacists, is kept exclusive for what they call "Third World Banana Republics".
Now, the question is very simple: What is the difference between the way the Democratic Party functions in New York and many other states and the Communist Party of North Korea, the bete noire of the liberation theologians singing Hallelujah for "American democracy"?
Since when can a political party (with an obvious political agenda to promote for its own endurance) violate the inalienable right of citizenship in a republic?
Some more equal than others
The principle reason for this voter suppression is what they call in the US "closed primaries". What is a closed primary?
New York is among many other states that conduct what is called "closed primaries"; namely, they only allow voters who are registered members of a particular political party to vote in that party's primary.
It is not, therefore, accidental that much to thechagrin of Sanders and his massive supporters among independents, "Clinton has won every state so far that's held a closed primary".
If, as a citizen, you followed the debates closely and came to the conclusion that Sanders is the candidate of your choice and not Clinton, you would not be allowed to vote for him unless months ago (long before you were familiar with Sanders or his ideas), you had applied to the Democratic Party and become a member.
It must be a rudimentary fact of any claim to democracy that if you are a citizen of a republic, you must be able to vote in any phase of any presidential (or any other) election simply by virtue of being a citizen.
But in this crucial phase of the US presidential primaries, these citizens are not allowed to vote unless and until they are card-carrying members of the political party conducting that primary.
"All animals are equal," indeed, as we learned from George Orwell's Animal Farm, "but some animals are more equal than others".
As a result of this blatantly undemocratic practice, if you are an independent-minded person, follow the news and watch the debates before you decide which candidate you prefer and want to vote for in the Democratic primaries in New York, you might as well be a woman trying to drive in Saudi Arabia: You could not.
False claim to democracy
The Democratic Party, therefore, rules over this false claim to democracy the same way the Guardian Council of octogenarian Super Mullahs rules over the Islamic Republic.
In other words, the free and fair formation of political parties that is supposed to be the finest fruit of a democracy has paradoxically degenerated into the most powerful impediment to democracy.
The question is: What is the result of these undemocratic "closed primaries"?
These "closed primaries" are the bottlenecks of a closed political culture, preventing the possibility of any liberating breakthrough into a foreclosed political system.
At the heart of this imperial republic that effectively rules the world with its military might (not with any moral courage or political legitimacy), we have an electoral process that systematically bars any critical judgment of its own citizens to disrupt its mindless militarism. American citizens are as much trapped inside this corrupt system as people around the globe are at the mercy of its fighter jets and drone attacks.
These two parties, Republican and Democratic, are today functioning like two identical but competing Orwellian Ministries of Truth - systematically, consistently, unabashedly disallowing any critical thinking or nonviolent democratic action to enter and disrupt the always-already rigged election.
Hamid Dabashi is Hagop Kevorkian Professor of Iranian Studies and Comparative Literature at Columbia University in New York.
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2016/04/american-democracy-rigged-160424071608730.html
American democracy is rigged
The Republican and Democratic parties are functioning like two identical but competing Orwellian Ministries of Truth.
Hamid Dabashi
Hamid Dabashi is the Hagop Kevorkian Professor of Iranian Studies and Comparative Literature at Columbia University.
@HamidDabashi
In the United States presidential elections, there are two towering political parties - the Democratic and the Republican - that during the course of their "primary" elections get to choose who will be their respective candidates in the course of a national election.
Although any US citizen can join these two parties - or any other political party - millions of eligible voters have not, and consider themselves "independent".
These independent voters get to vote in the general elections like anyone else, but by the time we get to that general election in November, the two dominant political parties have already elected their nominee, and, therefore, US citizens at large have to vote for one of these preselected nominees if they want their vote to have a role in who their next president will be.
This entirely undemocratic, arcane, draconian, and ipso facto rigged aspect of the US electoral system came to a crucial dead-end during the New York primaries of the Democratic and Republican parties on April 19, when Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump won their respective primaries.
Decisive setback
In many significant ways, the presidential primaries in New York were a turning point in the unfolding saga of Bernie Sanders' bid for the US presidency.
His crushing defeat by the former state secretary marks a decisive setback that may, in fact, end his candidacy and usher his massively popular campaign into a new phase, with or without the prospect of US presidency.
So crucial was this victory for Clinton that soon after this primary, the New York Times - which now openly, unabashedly, and against any norm of journalistic decency or professionalism acts as the official organ of Clinton's campaign - was so confident of her victory that it began to speculate about who her running mate might be.
These primaries were not like any other; New York is the financial, commercial, cultural, and intellectual capital of the US. What happens in New York (and a few other major cosmopolitan epicenters like Chicago and San Francisco) is, in many ways, the barometer of the nation at large.
Some 20 million people live in the state of New York, of which about 8.4 million live just in New York City. This population figure places New York City above many European democracies, such as Austria, Denmark, Finland, Norway, Sweden, and Switzerland.
Now, consider the fact that according toreports, "only 19.7 percent of eligible New Yorkers cast a ballot, the second-lowest voter turnout among primary states after Louisiana, according to elections expert Michael McDonald".
This is not to mention the fact that even those who were registered Democrats and could not vote: "The Kings County Board of Elections purged 126,000 registered Democrats from the voting rolls in Brooklyn, prompting an outcry from Mayor Bill de Blasio and an audit from Comptroller Scott Stringer."
Whatever the cause of this "purge" (fraud or mishap), this is not the main calamity of the electoral process in the US.
The issue is the fact that less than 20 percent of eligible voters in a statewide election get to choose who the next presidential candidates in the US national elections would be.
This low number is not any indication of an apathetic low voter turnout, but, in fact, is the evidence of massive voter suppression that, in the racist parlance of the white supremacists, is kept exclusive for what they call "Third World Banana Republics".
Now, the question is very simple: What is the difference between the way the Democratic Party functions in New York and many other states and the Communist Party of North Korea, the bete noire of the liberation theologians singing Hallelujah for "American democracy"?
Since when can a political party (with an obvious political agenda to promote for its own endurance) violate the inalienable right of citizenship in a republic?
Some more equal than others
The principle reason for this voter suppression is what they call in the US "closed primaries". What is a closed primary?
New York is among many other states that conduct what is called "closed primaries"; namely, they only allow voters who are registered members of a particular political party to vote in that party's primary.
It is not, therefore, accidental that much to thechagrin of Sanders and his massive supporters among independents, "Clinton has won every state so far that's held a closed primary".
If, as a citizen, you followed the debates closely and came to the conclusion that Sanders is the candidate of your choice and not Clinton, you would not be allowed to vote for him unless months ago (long before you were familiar with Sanders or his ideas), you had applied to the Democratic Party and become a member.
It must be a rudimentary fact of any claim to democracy that if you are a citizen of a republic, you must be able to vote in any phase of any presidential (or any other) election simply by virtue of being a citizen.
But in this crucial phase of the US presidential primaries, these citizens are not allowed to vote unless and until they are card-carrying members of the political party conducting that primary.
"All animals are equal," indeed, as we learned from George Orwell's Animal Farm, "but some animals are more equal than others".
As a result of this blatantly undemocratic practice, if you are an independent-minded person, follow the news and watch the debates before you decide which candidate you prefer and want to vote for in the Democratic primaries in New York, you might as well be a woman trying to drive in Saudi Arabia: You could not.
False claim to democracy
The Democratic Party, therefore, rules over this false claim to democracy the same way the Guardian Council of octogenarian Super Mullahs rules over the Islamic Republic.
In other words, the free and fair formation of political parties that is supposed to be the finest fruit of a democracy has paradoxically degenerated into the most powerful impediment to democracy.
The question is: What is the result of these undemocratic "closed primaries"?
These "closed primaries" are the bottlenecks of a closed political culture, preventing the possibility of any liberating breakthrough into a foreclosed political system.
At the heart of this imperial republic that effectively rules the world with its military might (not with any moral courage or political legitimacy), we have an electoral process that systematically bars any critical judgment of its own citizens to disrupt its mindless militarism. American citizens are as much trapped inside this corrupt system as people around the globe are at the mercy of its fighter jets and drone attacks.
These two parties, Republican and Democratic, are today functioning like two identical but competing Orwellian Ministries of Truth - systematically, consistently, unabashedly disallowing any critical thinking or nonviolent democratic action to enter and disrupt the always-already rigged election.
Hamid Dabashi is Hagop Kevorkian Professor of Iranian Studies and Comparative Literature at Columbia University in New York.
NLXSK1
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Lets follow your thinking to it's logical conclusion shall we?
If gun owners would follow the safety guidelines...
Who is going to enforce these said safety guidelines?
Are gun owners now going to be forced to submit to random gun safety checks? How is this supposed to work?
Or are you just in favor of higher punishments? I mean if you are talking about that, it probably wont stop much negligence.
You call me stupid then propose a system in which peoples freedoms are restricted based on things you dont like. Maybe you dont see the irony.
UncleBuck
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ttystikk
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NPR should be ashamed of itself for publishing dreck like this. So much for the famous news organization that wasn't biased because it didn't take advertising money... now, it does both, and its credibility is an obvious casualty;
http://www.npr.org/2016/04/26/475681237/campaign-mystery-why-dont-bernie-sanders-big-rallies-lead-to-big-wins
Just to be clear; big rallies mean lots of voters care enough to turn out to see the candidate. As such, those crowds are an excellent indicator of how well the candidate is reaching the electorate. The article glosses over the obvious fact that American primaries are completely rigged, from closed primaries to 'superdelegates'.
I'm REALLY disappointed in NPR.
http://www.npr.org/2016/04/26/475681237/campaign-mystery-why-dont-bernie-sanders-big-rallies-lead-to-big-wins
Just to be clear; big rallies mean lots of voters care enough to turn out to see the candidate. As such, those crowds are an excellent indicator of how well the candidate is reaching the electorate. The article glosses over the obvious fact that American primaries are completely rigged, from closed primaries to 'superdelegates'.
I'm REALLY disappointed in NPR.
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NLXSK1
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I dont see all those same voters coming out for Hillary but I could be wrong.
Fogdog
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Too funny this. Safety guidelines are posted by the NRA on their site. They are pretty good and not hard to follow. Nobody enforces them. If people just follow them, almost no accidents. Difficult for you to understand, I know.
You have to ask yourself why, though.
bluntmassa1
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Of course, with a gun he would have had a chance and true story him and his damn near wife murdered at about 25 years old by someone else I know. I happen to know some bad people I wish I didn't but people change.
bluntmassa1
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It was not a good reason the guys girl kicked the guy out of their home he came back with a gun. Might be a little more to the story but still...
Well, not exactly home invasion.
bluntmassa1
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Well still kick in the door wave in the .44 and he stole shit.
bluntmassa1
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Wait did I just describe a home invasion?? Yeah I think so.