Is Organics lacking? Bottles needed?

[Olive Drab Green]

Not saying it doesn't, already said it can grow anywhere almost anyhow.

I'm Saying I want the Best of the Best of the Best and I don't want ANY yellowing or deficiencies Just Pure Resin production.

Fair enough. I definitely never meant Nature's Care was the best. I think your search for green like that boils down more to strain hardiness. Like, I think certain strains can take their nitrogen being pushed, and nitrogen is necessary for the green, while others are not able to tolerate high levels like that. I could be wrong, though, this is more if a hypothesis.

 

[Dr. Who]

There is a lot of really inaccurate info in here. All strains are different hues of green, some stay dark green all the way through flower, others don't. Plants definitely do stay dark green outside in California. Indoor vs outdoor has nothing to do with how green your plants are. Some strains yellow regardless of how much n you give them, others don't. My system right now has a good example because I have a kosher cross that is super dark and has never been over 600ppm of balanced nutrient solution. No sign of tox or burn, and the other plants in the same res are lighter. Actually every strain in my tent is a different shade of green, none are tox or deficient.

dark green.

light green

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I speak towards your second sentence here. I agree to a point, and I disagree after that. It is true that every strain I have dealt with STARTS out green and change over to their color expression as early as about a 1/4-1/3 of the way into veg. Many of these strains are not coming from the common, everyday, seed market....That seems to be just about exclusive to purples. For the most part. Common market coloring strains begin coloring later and, for the most part, need a little push to get them really coloring......Not all of them but the majority is so. Remember that when you see those colored plants. The grower has that dialed in to express that trait.

The banana OG pheno I mentioned. Is one that really needs no help to yellow and it yellows pretty early in veg. Care must be taken to not overdo some nutrients in bloom, because the plant will not show it, in a conventional way. "Real" (not just prone to, but will to at least some extent, naturally color) Orange, Red, Blacks (of various degrees) and the more common purple strains,, are out there. Many come from unconventional breeders that you have and have not heard of.......It's up to you to find them!

 

[Dr. Who]

Look, man, I understand you don't like it, I'm just saying it works. This is end of week six, this morning:

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I'm afraid I have to agree on this one being under the influence of too much N!

It's starting to fox tail! Granted, it's a Sativa and Sativa's are prone to some natural foxtailing BUT,,,,,it's only week 6 and it's started at least 1 ago....That says too much N in a big way! Fox tailing in Sativa's to me. Is more of something the plant does later. When it's done and it's telling you it's done. (for long running Sativa's and Sativa heavy strains. Especially if it's one that has trichomes that do not "amber".

YET! You've done a good job on that plant/strain and it's nothing a long slow dry and a long proper RH'ed cure won't "cure"...
NICE job!

 

[Olive Drab Green]

It's indica. GDP. Week 7 begins tomorrow.

 

[kmog33]

I speak towards your second sentence here. I agree to a point, and I disagree after that. It is true that every strain I have dealt with STARTS out green and change over to their color expression as early as about a 1/4-1/3 of the way into veg. Many of these strains are not coming from the common, everyday, seed market....That seems to be just about exclusive to purples. For the most part. Common market coloring strains begin coloring later and, for the most part, need a little push to get them really coloring......Not all of them but the majority is so. Remember that when you see those colored plants. The grower has that dialed in to express that trait.

The banana OG pheno I mentioned. Is one that really needs no help to yellow and it yellows pretty early in veg. Care must be taken to not overdo some nutrients in bloom, because the plant will not show it, in a conventional way. "Real" (not just prone to, but will to at least some extent, naturally color) Orange, Red, Blacks (of various degrees) and the more common purple strains,, are out there. Many come from unconventional breeders that you have and have not heard of.......It's up to you to find them!

I don't see anything that disagrees with my post there lol. And I don't disagree with any of yours. Here's a purple I've bred and so far all exhibit the purple trait, while all other plants in my tent are green. Both male and female exhibit the trait as well.

A major difference between true colored strains and ones that are forced to color is that the ones that are forced are unhealthy lol. True colors are genetic and cannot be avoided with nutrients.

I guess I was speaking more on green strains in my op.

 

[Olive Drab Green]

A few people are saying it's a good thing?

 

[Olive Drab Green]

I don't see anything that disagrees with my post there lol. And I don't disagree with any of yours. Here's a purple I've bred and so far all exhibit the purple trait, while all other plants in my tent are green. Both male and female exhibit the trait as well.

A major difference between true colored strains and ones that are forced to color is that the ones that are forced are unhealthy lol. True colors are genetic and cannot be avoided with nutrients.

I guess I was speaking more on green strains in my op.

Mine wasn't nutrient-induced. I use a 3-4-2 NPK'd nute, and less than recommended. There is purple so far on the branching and not in the veins. The buds are just now beginning to mature.

 

[kmog33]

Mine wasn't nutrient-induced. I use a 3-4-2 NPK'd nute, and less than recommended. There is purple so far on the branching and not in the veins. The buds are just now beginning to mature.

I wasn't speaking in regards to your plant. I haven't seen any pics of it so I don't have anything to say about it lol.

 

[Olive Drab Green]

 

[kmog33]

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A few people are saying it's a good thing?

That's a whole lot of wrong right there.

 

[Olive Drab Green]

That's a whole lot of wrong right there.

Can you explain?

 

[kmog33]

Can you explain?

Not all strains foxtail(unless you are speaking of heat/stress related foxtails). True foxtailing is a sativa trait derived from haze or the haze family I think. So some strains foxtail naturally and it's a good thing. Most true indicas and a lot of indica dominant hybrids will never foxtail if they are healthy and in an optimal environment.

Ie. That post is entirely incorrect info.

 

[Dr. Who]

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A few people are saying it's a good thing?

I'll step right out and say "He's wrong" on this one!

Yours is really high N produced/caused..Those of us with many years under our belts can "see" it...Like I said though. I don't find it much of a problem. A little to early in my book! I would in past learning terms, make a note of this in my log and reduce the N by about 33% to 50% starting right now!
It will make the plant take longer then it would otherwise....

Like I said in my other post to you, NICE JOB anyway!

 

[Olive Drab Green]

I'll step right out and say "He's wrong" on this one!

Yours is really high N produced/caused..Those of us with many years under our belts can "see" it...Like I said though. I don't find it much of a problem. A little to early in my book! I would in past learning terms, make a note of this in my log and reduce the N by about 33% to 50% starting right now!
It will make the plant take longer then it would otherwise....

Like I said in my other post to you, NICE JOB anyway!

Thank you, I didn't mean to get defensive. I don't plan to feed it through harvest from here, so do you think it should pose a problem?

 

[Dr. Who]

I don't see anything that disagrees with my post there lol. And I don't disagree with any of yours.
A major difference between true colored strains and ones that are forced to color is that the ones that are forced are unhealthy lol. True colors are genetic and cannot be avoided with nutrients.

I guess I was speaking more on green strains in my op.

I didn't say forced......encouraged is a better term......I don't think that they're "unhealthy".......per say! Some folks do "force" and those can be unhealthy! So we're both right on that one!

Otherwise - we agree! Just clarifying

 

[Dr. Who]

Thank you, I didn't mean to get defensive. I don't plan to feed it through harvest from here, so do you think it should pose a problem?

No. not in any real sense......It'll be a little longer running but, no real "problems"!

You learned something - That's a GOOD thing!

Personally, I like some of my foxtailing strains a LOT! Just look at the "different" Pineapple Express pheno in my AVATAR!

 

[Olive Drab Green]

No. not in any real sense......It'll be a little longer running but, no real "problems"!

You learned something - That's a GOOD thing!

Personally, I like some of my foxtailing strains a LOT! Just look at the "different" Pineapple Express pheno in my AVATAR!

That's a relief. And, I'll check your stuff out.

 

[kmog33]

I didn't say forced......encouraged is a better term......I don't think that they're "unhealthy".......per say! Some folks do "force" and those can be unhealthy! So we're both right on that one!

Otherwise - we agree! Just clarifying

Lol I would agree that encouraged is different than forced. A lot of that comes with knowing a strain and what it wants/when it wants it as well.

When I said forced I was speaking on everyone trying to use temp to get fall colors.

 

[Michael Huntherz]

Are bottles needed? Sometimes, maybe a little, if your soil didn't turn out to be baller enough. It doesn't make you a bad person, as some in the organics section might have you believe. Life is full of nuance, the devil is in the details, a stitch in time makes Einstein roll in his grave, but I digress.

OP, it seems you have been weirdly miseducated, you're asking for advice then arguing with people who give it; I find that really odd.

You could learn a lesson from @Olive Drab Green - he has the grace to admit when he could be wrong/misinformed and gain new insights based on new information. I feel you're a bit too proud for that right now.

P.S. Bernie is a constitutionalist. He swears an oath, every time he takes public office, to defend the Constitution. He's one on a very short list of people who I feel can be trusted to uphold their oaths.

 

[Dr. Who]

Lol I would agree that encouraged is different than forced. A lot of that comes with knowing a strain and what it wants/when it wants it as well.

When I said forced I was speaking on everyone trying to use temp to get fall colors.

Exactly!