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FilthyFletch

FilthyFletch

Mr I Can Do That For Half
ttystikk said:
Dude, Bernie would have qualified as a good republican for much of this country's history. We aren't nationalizing industry, just making sure everyone pays their fair share. You aren't against that, are you?
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Define fair share as the 10 percent the wack jobs hate on pay almost 70% of all federal taxes taken in which in normal people math means they pay way way more then their fair share of taxes. Bernie a self described socialist wants to basically have us taxed out of living. People try to use Denmark as a socialist success story but forget they have a roughly 128% sales tax, The average yearly take home pay is $4800 a year less then the average US pay, they have a suicide rate hats 3 times higher then the US, the have a much lower happiness percentage then the US, and their national economic growth rate is about a 1/3 rd the US. So basically that's an economy in failure as is every single socialist based economy ever. To even think a socialist government will work with all the example of it being tried and always failing just makes you either a fool or just stupid no way around it and to support Bernie who is openly pushing for a guaranteed failed government with big government running every bit of your life is beyond stupid. I like freedom, opportunity to succeed and as little government in my life as possible. Bernie is against all of these things openly.
 
FilthyFletch

FilthyFletch

Mr I Can Do That For Half
Michael Huntherz said:
No educated person would say this. I mean educated currently, not 50 years ago. You're living in the past, bud.
All forms of government fail. In the same way that the human risk of death is 100%; Every government will fail, every person will die. The most successful states currently on the planet are socialist democracies. Different than National or Marxist Socialism, it is called Social Democracy. Countries like Norway, Sweden, Netherlands and Iceland seem to be doing pretty well with it.

Learn the things!
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You have a ton of learning to do lol...First if you go with the democrat lean you will find that the US states in the most financial mess and economic collapse are all democrat run and have been. The left does not understand basic economics and those states have higher internal theft then red states which kills the states. That's just fact... Then you quote the usual Countries that people who have zero clue what they are talking about try to push as a success. You have no idea of the real numbers and figures from these countries do you? Obviously not. The average take home in most of these is around $3500 a year less the the average US citizen, Each of these countries has a economic growth of about a third that of the US. Each of these countries has a suicide rate of more then double the US rate. The percent of happiness of it's citizens is about half that of the US happiness rate of it's citizens. You also know that the sale tax is roughly 120% or more in these counties meaning a $35000 car is around $60000.So I mean if you call a sluggish economic growth rate, unhappy suicidal citizens who make less money but pay extreme high taxes and have a huge government presence in every day life a success your right. Most people who don't hate life consider that a huge fail.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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FilthyFletch said:
Define fair share as the 10 percent the wack jobs hate on pay almost 70% of all federal taxes taken in which in normal people math means they pay way way more then their fair share of taxes. Bernie a self described socialist wants to basically have us taxed out of living. People try to use Denmark as a socialist success story but forget they have a roughly 128% sales tax, The average yearly take home pay is $4800 a year less then the average US pay, they have a suicide rate hats 3 times higher then the US, the have a much lower happiness percentage then the US, and their national economic growth rate is about a 1/3 rd the US. So basically that's an economy in failure as is every single socialist based economy ever. To even think a socialist government will work with all the example of it being tried and always failing just makes you either a fool or just stupid no way around it and to support Bernie who is openly pushing for a guaranteed failed government with big government running every bit of your life is beyond stupid. I like freedom, opportunity to succeed and as little government in my life as possible. Bernie is against all of these things openly.
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Factually incorrect in more places than I have time for. Please confine this non growing discussion to politics.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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FilthyFletch said:
You have a ton of learning to do lol...First if you go with the democrat lean you will find that the US states in the most financial mess and economic collapse are all democrat run and have been. The left does not understand basic economics and those states have higher internal theft then red states which kills the states. That's just fact... Then you quote the usual Countries that people who have zero clue what they are talking about try to push as a success. You have no idea of the real numbers and figures from these countries do you? Obviously not. The average take home in most of these is around $3500 a year less the the average US citizen, Each of these countries has a economic growth of about a third that of the US. Each of these countries has a suicide rate of more then double the US rate. The percent of happiness of it's citizens is about half that of the US happiness rate of it's citizens. You also know that the sale tax is roughly 120% or more in these counties meaning a $35000 car is around $60000.So I mean if you call a sluggish economic growth rate, unhappy suicidal citizens who make less money but pay extreme high taxes and have a huge government presence in every day life a success your right. Most people who don't hate life consider that a huge fail.
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Calling this guy politically ignorant simply makes you look all the more so.

Please confine this non growing discussion to politics.
 
Vnsmkr

Vnsmkr

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ttystikk said:
Was thinking they needed to be mid 80s, so cool. I'm going through everything with a fine toothed comb, it's like a whole new world of horsepower, gotta learn how to drive it!
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I am thinking high 70's is perfect. I was watching John Berfelo on youtube update his indoor a few months back and he was going through leaf temps, doing the same as you, hitting them with a laser. Seem to remember them performing optimal in high 70's.

FYI, CO2-enriched plants will produce more at a marginally higher temperature of just under 80*F (27*C).

And the article it came from: http://www.theweedblog.com/what-is-the-ideal-temperature-for-growing-marijuana-plants/
 
Michael Huntherz

Michael Huntherz

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sixstring2112

sixstring2112

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ttystikk said:
Wups, too busy for pics today but I did get some leaf temps in the canopy with my IR laser heat gun. All the temps were mid to upper 70s, nothing broke 80. I think this is a bit cool, yes?
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leaf temp should always feel cooler than ambient air temps to the touch.if your leaves feel warm something is amuk.so another way of putting it is if your room is 80f and your leaves are 80f they aint happy plants,prob due to vpd.but i grab leaf all the time when i first enter the room just to see how the plants are doing.those plants you see praying to the lights always feel cooler than leaves laying down or even straight out(lights on ). i dont trust the lasers as much because alot of times they are reading the space(air) between the gun and what your pointing at.so using the gun you want to be as close as possible or your getting a mix of surface and air temps between the 2
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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sixstring2112 said:
leaf temp should always feel cooler than ambient air temps to the touch.if your leaves feel warm something is amuk.so another way of putting it is if your room is 80f and your leaves are 80f they aint happy plants,prob due to vpd.but i grab leaf all the time when i first enter the room just to see how the plants are doing.those plants you see praying to the lights always feel cooler than leaves laying down or even straight out(lights on ). i dont trust the lasers as much because alot of times they are reading the space(air) between the gun and what your pointing at.so using the gun you want to be as close as possible or your getting a mix of surface and air temps between the 2
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Good advice, thank you.

I think part of my issue is the water cooled air handler exhaust constantly blowing down the hallway and thus keeping things a bit too cold, air temp wise.

They're doing better as I reduce EC, I'll change out the sauce today.
 
sixstring2112

sixstring2112

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ttystikk said:
Good advice, thank you.

I think part of my issue is the water cooled air handler exhaust constantly blowing down the hallway and thus keeping things a bit too cold, air temp wise.

They're doing better as I reduce EC, I'll change out the sauce today.
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that leaf temp thing works for everything,indoor and out.just like when you lay on a nice green lawn on a hot summer day.if you feel the grass its always coller than the air,and if healthy it will be moist.transpiring as it should to keep itself cold,or colder than the 95f air that day lol.when i was a young man,prolly about 18 i had this super smart dude i worked for in the nursery.we would walk in the greenhouses and the guy would always walk up and start touching plants.finally one day im like what are you looking for when you grab the plants all the time.and he explained this cool leaf deal to me and used the grass analogy i just used to explain it and it made perfect sense to me.learned so much from that guy over a 4 year period before they fired him.he wasa hippy dude,im sure he grew pot just never had the balls to ask him if he grew or smoked cause he was my boss.
 
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