EXCUSE ME?!..The OFFICIAL Bernie Sanders For President 2016 Thread

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schuylaar

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londonfog said:
Did you really just say SCOTUS does not directly affect a United States citizens ? If you believe that you should never be allowed to cast a vote on your own. How the SCOTUS leans determines a lot on ones life in America DIRECTLY.
So now you hating Obama ? Are you insinuating that he has done nothing ?
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you ASSume a lot and that's why you aren't in charge of anything except for vending.

i'm waiting for @Padawanbater2 's answer since he wishes to make a point.

i'm prepared with my rebuttal.

i have a point of my own to make..
 
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schuylaar

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BustinScales510 said:
If Bernie doesnt get the nomination and enough of his supporters stay home or dont vote Democratic in the general, I dont think it would help the prospects for future progressive primary candidates in the Democratic party.

Bernie ran as a Democrat instead of Independent because he knew that if he was able to succeed in winning the Democratic nomination he would be able to count on Hillarys supporters backing him in the general. He also didnt want to spoil the election for the Democrats as a third party candidate. A quote from him:

" Sanders rejected the idea of running for president as an independent. “No matter what I do, I will not be a spoiler,” Sanders said. “I will not play that role in helping to elect some right-wing Republican as President of the United States.”

If his supporters tank the election and Trump or Cruz win,the media will point to low Democratic primary turnout and low general election Democratic votes and conclude that the under 30 crowd still doesnt vote and the country as a whole has moved right after 8 years of Obama.

Maybe if the same kind of schism happens on the republican side and they split into two groups (moderate/troglodyte) then the independent lane will be more viable in the future if it has candidates from both sides pulling away votes from the larger parties.
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GOP is only 10% of the electorate now..they will become fringe there will be no split..my prediction for party split would actually be on the democratic side believe it or not..there will be a more left soci-dem (we the people) and a centrist-dem (establishment/moderate right).

the paradigm has shifted along with the electorate.
 
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schuylaar

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now you know why we are passionate about Bernie:

Bernie Sanders Wins 3 Policy Victories, Media Shrugs

While the media hyped a false narrative about Bernie Sanders’ competence and policies, three of Sanders’ policy proposals were implemented this week.

What’s sad is that as the biggest leak in world history came to light, exposing 140 different politicians from 50 countries engaged in egregious tax dodging, corporate-owned media outlets chose instead to take their lead for the week’s news from a greasy tabloid’s error-laden editorial board meeting with Bernie Sanders. The main narrative that came out of that interview was that the Vermont senator didn’t know how his own policies worked, with the Washington Post gleefully climbing on board.

However, the Huffington Post’s Ryan Grim accurately pointed out that the interview transcript revealed both Sanders’ expertise and the New York Daily News editorial board’s sheer ignorance of both financial policy and civics. The New York Times and many other publications also balked at the sudden media attack on Sanders’ accurate answers.

While this all played out, Sanders watched as two governors, a federal agency head, and a president implemented some of his “unrealistic” policy proposals.

1. New York and California pass a $15/hour minimum wage
Bernie Sanders has called for a “living wage” of $15/hour to be the new national minimum wage, introducing legislation in July 2015 and joining the Fight for $15 during their events. Before taxes, this would amount to $31,200 a year for a full-time worker. It’s not exactly enough to live like a king, but enough for a person to be able to pay their bills and not live in abject poverty.

Even though detractors have been saying that doubling the minimum wage isn’t possible, and to aim lower, governors of two of the most populous states (New York and California) have joined other major cities in signing $15/hour minimum wage bills into law.

While Hillary Clinton tried to take credit for the New York law by being present at the signing ceremony, she’s only championed raising the minimum wage to $12/hour. And Sanders’ calls for $15/hour appear to be on their way to reality in other states as well, as 25 cities in Oregon are now on their way to having a $15/hour minimum wage, with Boston and Massachusetts considering the possibility.

2. President Obama cracks down on corporate tax dodgers
As the release of the Panama Papers were causing international political scrambling and the resignation of Iceland’s prime minister, Sigmundur Davíð Gunnlaugsson, outrage over global elites hiding their wealth in offshore tax havens reached a boiling point. Shortly after Gunnlaugsson’s resignation, President Obama announced sweeping new rules by the U.S. Department of the Treasury aimed at stopping inversions — a popular corporate tax dodge.

Inversion is a process wherein an American corporation buys a foreign competitor, then re-registers themselves in that competitor’s home country to avoid paying U.S. tax rates.

While it’s great that Obama took action, the idea for executive action to stop inversions was originally proposed by Bernie Sanders last year. In March 2015 Sen. Sanders wrote a letter to the White House, asking President Obama to take executive action in order to close six of the most commonly-abused corporate tax loopholes, in light of Congress’ deadlock. The third item on that list was inversions.

Sanders explained that even though it would technically take an act of Congress to close the inversion loophole, Obama could get around Congress by using the power of the Executive Branch:

‘The Administration has the authority to block the tax avoidance strategies that become available to corporations after they invert, which are the main motivation for most inversions. The Administration rightly acted in September of 2014 to block one such tax avoidance strategy known as ‘hopscotch loans’ but has not yet acted on another, known as ‘earnings stripping.'”

The provision targeted by Obama’s executive action? You guessed it — earnings stripping. And as an added bonus, Obama’s action has already scuttled a planned merger between Pfizer and Ireland-based Allergan, preventing the loss of $35 billion in tax revenue.

3. Drug Enforcement Agency may reconsider marijuana policy
Last November, Sen. Sanders introduced a bill to take marijuana off the U.S. government’s list of Schedule I drugs. By definition, Schedule I drugs are defined as the “most dangerous” of drugs, with “no currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse.” Sanders made a point to mention the injustice of criminalizing marijuana during the first Democratic debate in Las Vegas.

“We have a criminal justice system that lets CEOs on Wall Street walk away, and yet we are imprisoning or giving jail sentences to young people who are smoking marijuana,” Sanders said.

Now it looks as if the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) may be taking that idea seriously. This week the DEA announced that it would decide on taking marijuana off the list of Schedule I drugs by the end of June. This would put the DEA in alignment with the U.S. Surgeon General, who recently stated “marijuana can be helpful” for treating certain ailments.

The DEA rejected petitions in 2001 and 2006 to reclassify marijuana. As such, many pundits believe the decision will be to reclassify marijuana to either Schedule II or III, which would open up new lines of medical research on the effects of marijuana.

Given these three bits of underreported news, it’s easy to see why this week was one of Bernie Sanders’ best, as these advancements debunk some of the establishment media’s main talking points: Sanders’ policy proposals are realistic, not pie-in-the-sky; they are detailed, not vague; and when implemented, they are effective.

http://usuncut.com/politics/bernie-wins-policy-victories/
 
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since1991

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He certainly called the trade pact with Panama what it really was....back in 2011. The only congressman to get on the floor and do so??
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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schuylaar said:
now you know why we are passionate about Bernie:

Bernie Sanders Wins 3 Policy Victories, Media Shrugs

While the media hyped a false narrative about Bernie Sanders’ competence and policies, three of Sanders’ policy proposals were implemented this week.

What’s sad is that as the biggest leak in world history came to light, exposing 140 different politicians from 50 countries engaged in egregious tax dodging, corporate-owned media outlets chose instead to take their lead for the week’s news from a greasy tabloid’s error-laden editorial board meeting with Bernie Sanders. The main narrative that came out of that interview was that the Vermont senator didn’t know how his own policies worked, with the Washington Post gleefully climbing on board.

However, the Huffington Post’s Ryan Grim accurately pointed out that the interview transcript revealed both Sanders’ expertise and the New York Daily News editorial board’s sheer ignorance of both financial policy and civics. The New York Times and many other publications also balked at the sudden media attack on Sanders’ accurate answers.

While this all played out, Sanders watched as two governors, a federal agency head, and a president implemented some of his “unrealistic” policy proposals.

1. New York and California pass a $15/hour minimum wage
Bernie Sanders has called for a “living wage” of $15/hour to be the new national minimum wage, introducing legislation in July 2015 and joining the Fight for $15 during their events. Before taxes, this would amount to $31,200 a year for a full-time worker. It’s not exactly enough to live like a king, but enough for a person to be able to pay their bills and not live in abject poverty.

Even though detractors have been saying that doubling the minimum wage isn’t possible, and to aim lower, governors of two of the most populous states (New York and California) have joined other major cities in signing $15/hour minimum wage bills into law.

While Hillary Clinton tried to take credit for the New York law by being present at the signing ceremony, she’s only championed raising the minimum wage to $12/hour. And Sanders’ calls for $15/hour appear to be on their way to reality in other states as well, as 25 cities in Oregon are now on their way to having a $15/hour minimum wage, with Boston and Massachusetts considering the possibility.

2. President Obama cracks down on corporate tax dodgers
As the release of the Panama Papers were causing international political scrambling and the resignation of Iceland’s prime minister, Sigmundur Davíð Gunnlaugsson, outrage over global elites hiding their wealth in offshore tax havens reached a boiling point. Shortly after Gunnlaugsson’s resignation, President Obama announced sweeping new rules by the U.S. Department of the Treasury aimed at stopping inversions — a popular corporate tax dodge.

Inversion is a process wherein an American corporation buys a foreign competitor, then re-registers themselves in that competitor’s home country to avoid paying U.S. tax rates.

While it’s great that Obama took action, the idea for executive action to stop inversions was originally proposed by Bernie Sanders last year. In March 2015 Sen. Sanders wrote a letter to the White House, asking President Obama to take executive action in order to close six of the most commonly-abused corporate tax loopholes, in light of Congress’ deadlock. The third item on that list was inversions.

Sanders explained that even though it would technically take an act of Congress to close the inversion loophole, Obama could get around Congress by using the power of the Executive Branch:

‘The Administration has the authority to block the tax avoidance strategies that become available to corporations after they invert, which are the main motivation for most inversions. The Administration rightly acted in September of 2014 to block one such tax avoidance strategy known as ‘hopscotch loans’ but has not yet acted on another, known as ‘earnings stripping.'”

The provision targeted by Obama’s executive action? You guessed it — earnings stripping. And as an added bonus, Obama’s action has already scuttled a planned merger between Pfizer and Ireland-based Allergan, preventing the loss of $35 billion in tax revenue.

3. Drug Enforcement Agency may reconsider marijuana policy
Last November, Sen. Sanders introduced a bill to take marijuana off the U.S. government’s list of Schedule I drugs. By definition, Schedule I drugs are defined as the “most dangerous” of drugs, with “no currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse.” Sanders made a point to mention the injustice of criminalizing marijuana during the first Democratic debate in Las Vegas.

“We have a criminal justice system that lets CEOs on Wall Street walk away, and yet we are imprisoning or giving jail sentences to young people who are smoking marijuana,” Sanders said.

Now it looks as if the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) may be taking that idea seriously. This week the DEA announced that it would decide on taking marijuana off the list of Schedule I drugs by the end of June. This would put the DEA in alignment with the U.S. Surgeon General, who recently stated “marijuana can be helpful” for treating certain ailments.

The DEA rejected petitions in 2001 and 2006 to reclassify marijuana. As such, many pundits believe the decision will be to reclassify marijuana to either Schedule II or III, which would open up new lines of medical research on the effects of marijuana.

Given these three bits of underreported news, it’s easy to see why this week was one of Bernie Sanders’ best, as these advancements debunk some of the establishment media’s main talking points: Sanders’ policy proposals are realistic, not pie-in-the-sky; they are detailed, not vague; and when implemented, they are effective.

http://usuncut.com/politics/bernie-wins-policy-victories/
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BOOM. We can't elect him; he'll make everyone else look as incompetent/bought as they really are.
 
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ChesusRice

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Presidential candidate Ron Paul overlooked by the media


Dear Editor,

Allow me to introduce you to a true statesman, a Republican who does not vote the George Bush line; a 10-term U.S. congressman who has never supported a single bill if it violated the Constitution; has never accepted one penny of lobbyist money and has refused to take part in the lucrative & juicy taxpayer funded congressional pension program.

That man is Congressman Dr. Ron Paul (R) Texas. And he is a candidate for the U.S. Presidency.

The reason I feel compelled to 'introduce' Dr. Paul is because the majority of the mass media have attempted to either ignore him or overlook his record and opinions in favor of so-called 'top tier' candidates.

Dr. Paul has been referred to in congress as the modern Thomas Jefferson for his stand on the issues. Ron Paul has the most consistent voting record in congress, a fact most pundits refuse to acknowledge because they fear the voters will find out that there is someone seeking the presidency that will actually do as he says. We know this because his voting record provides proof.

Ron Paul:

Never voted to raise taxes.

Never voted to raise congressional pay.

Never took a government paid junket.

Repeatedly has been named 'Taxpayer's best friend' in Congress.

Dr. Paul is a veteran, having served as a flight surgeon in the Air Force and Air National Guard.

As a true constitutionalist, Congressman Paul will secure our borders and end illegal immigration; end the IRS; end the 'Patriot' act which dissolves our constitutional rights and end the undeclared unconstitutional war in Iraq.

Please go to www.RonPaul2008.com and research this remarkable man. After truly learning more, you will see why this man will truly reshape America and return it to the great country it once was.

Bob Erpelding, Metamora
November 21, 2007
 
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schuylaar

Well-Known Member
ChesusRice said:
Presidential candidate Ron Paul overlooked by the media


Dear Editor,

Allow me to introduce you to a true statesman, a Republican who does not vote the George Bush line; a 10-term U.S. congressman who has never supported a single bill if it violated the Constitution; has never accepted one penny of lobbyist money and has refused to take part in the lucrative & juicy taxpayer funded congressional pension program.

That man is Congressman Dr. Ron Paul (R) Texas. And he is a candidate for the U.S. Presidency.

The reason I feel compelled to 'introduce' Dr. Paul is because the majority of the mass media have attempted to either ignore him or overlook his record and opinions in favor of so-called 'top tier' candidates.

Dr. Paul has been referred to in congress as the modern Thomas Jefferson for his stand on the issues. Ron Paul has the most consistent voting record in congress, a fact most pundits refuse to acknowledge because they fear the voters will find out that there is someone seeking the presidency that will actually do as he says. We know this because his voting record provides proof.

Ron Paul:

Never voted to raise taxes.

Never voted to raise congressional pay.

Never took a government paid junket.

Repeatedly has been named 'Taxpayer's best friend' in Congress.

Dr. Paul is a veteran, having served as a flight surgeon in the Air Force and Air National Guard.

As a true constitutionalist, Congressman Paul will secure our borders and end illegal immigration; end the IRS; end the 'Patriot' act which dissolves our constitutional rights and end the undeclared unconstitutional war in Iraq.

Please go to www.RonPaul2008.com and research this remarkable man. After truly learning more, you will see why this man will truly reshape America and return it to the great country it once was.

Bob Erpelding, Metamora
November 21, 2007
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tldr.
 
BustinScales510

BustinScales510

Well-Known Member
schuylaar said:
now you know why we are passionate about Bernie:

Bernie Sanders Wins 3 Policy Victories, Media Shrugs

While the media hyped a false narrative about Bernie Sanders’ competence and policies, three of Sanders’ policy proposals were implemented this week.

What’s sad is that as the biggest leak in world history came to light, exposing 140 different politicians from 50 countries engaged in egregious tax dodging, corporate-owned media outlets chose instead to take their lead for the week’s news from a greasy tabloid’s error-laden editorial board meeting with Bernie Sanders. The main narrative that came out of that interview was that the Vermont senator didn’t know how his own policies worked, with the Washington Post gleefully climbing on board.

However, the Huffington Post’s Ryan Grim accurately pointed out that the interview transcript revealed both Sanders’ expertise and the New York Daily News editorial board’s sheer ignorance of both financial policy and civics. The New York Times and many other publications also balked at the sudden media attack on Sanders’ accurate answers.

While this all played out, Sanders watched as two governors, a federal agency head, and a president implemented some of his “unrealistic” policy proposals.

1. New York and California pass a $15/hour minimum wage
Bernie Sanders has called for a “living wage” of $15/hour to be the new national minimum wage, introducing legislation in July 2015 and joining the Fight for $15 during their events. Before taxes, this would amount to $31,200 a year for a full-time worker. It’s not exactly enough to live like a king, but enough for a person to be able to pay their bills and not live in abject poverty.

Even though detractors have been saying that doubling the minimum wage isn’t possible, and to aim lower, governors of two of the most populous states (New York and California) have joined other major cities in signing $15/hour minimum wage bills into law.

While Hillary Clinton tried to take credit for the New York law by being present at the signing ceremony, she’s only championed raising the minimum wage to $12/hour. And Sanders’ calls for $15/hour appear to be on their way to reality in other states as well, as 25 cities in Oregon are now on their way to having a $15/hour minimum wage, with Boston and Massachusetts considering the possibility.

2. President Obama cracks down on corporate tax dodgers
As the release of the Panama Papers were causing international political scrambling and the resignation of Iceland’s prime minister, Sigmundur Davíð Gunnlaugsson, outrage over global elites hiding their wealth in offshore tax havens reached a boiling point. Shortly after Gunnlaugsson’s resignation, President Obama announced sweeping new rules by the U.S. Department of the Treasury aimed at stopping inversions — a popular corporate tax dodge.

Inversion is a process wherein an American corporation buys a foreign competitor, then re-registers themselves in that competitor’s home country to avoid paying U.S. tax rates.

While it’s great that Obama took action, the idea for executive action to stop inversions was originally proposed by Bernie Sanders last year. In March 2015 Sen. Sanders wrote a letter to the White House, asking President Obama to take executive action in order to close six of the most commonly-abused corporate tax loopholes, in light of Congress’ deadlock. The third item on that list was inversions.

Sanders explained that even though it would technically take an act of Congress to close the inversion loophole, Obama could get around Congress by using the power of the Executive Branch:

‘The Administration has the authority to block the tax avoidance strategies that become available to corporations after they invert, which are the main motivation for most inversions. The Administration rightly acted in September of 2014 to block one such tax avoidance strategy known as ‘hopscotch loans’ but has not yet acted on another, known as ‘earnings stripping.'”

The provision targeted by Obama’s executive action? You guessed it — earnings stripping. And as an added bonus, Obama’s action has already scuttled a planned merger between Pfizer and Ireland-based Allergan, preventing the loss of $35 billion in tax revenue.

3. Drug Enforcement Agency may reconsider marijuana policy
Last November, Sen. Sanders introduced a bill to take marijuana off the U.S. government’s list of Schedule I drugs. By definition, Schedule I drugs are defined as the “most dangerous” of drugs, with “no currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse.” Sanders made a point to mention the injustice of criminalizing marijuana during the first Democratic debate in Las Vegas.

“We have a criminal justice system that lets CEOs on Wall Street walk away, and yet we are imprisoning or giving jail sentences to young people who are smoking marijuana,” Sanders said.

Now it looks as if the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) may be taking that idea seriously. This week the DEA announced that it would decide on taking marijuana off the list of Schedule I drugs by the end of June. This would put the DEA in alignment with the U.S. Surgeon General, who recently stated “marijuana can be helpful” for treating certain ailments.

The DEA rejected petitions in 2001 and 2006 to reclassify marijuana. As such, many pundits believe the decision will be to reclassify marijuana to either Schedule II or III, which would open up new lines of medical research on the effects of marijuana.

Given these three bits of underreported news, it’s easy to see why this week was one of Bernie Sanders’ best, as these advancements debunk some of the establishment media’s main talking points: Sanders’ policy proposals are realistic, not pie-in-the-sky; they are detailed, not vague; and when implemented, they are effective.

http://usuncut.com/politics/bernie-wins-policy-victories/
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The minimum wage in Vermont is 9.60, why hasnt he led by example in his own state with a $15 min wage?
 
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