Can I do this? Electrical question

Buds4Fun

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I want to turn the exhaust and intake fans down when lights good out. Not off, but down. I have a fan speed control. Can I hook it up with dual input to the fans like in the sketch. T being timmer and FC being fan speed control. If they timmers overlap at all (both on at the same time is this going to cause a problem? Do I need to fit diodes? Cheers

 

JMichael

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First let me say that I am not a licensed electrician. I do have a good bit of formal training and hands on experience with electricity and electronics. That being said, I doubt that an electrician would tell you any of this is acceptable according to code and the following information is strictly my opinion, so proceed at your own risk.

Providing that both timers receive their power from the same circuit, I don't see why not. As for the diodes, I figure you obviously understand their purpose would be to prevent back feed to the inactive timer or you wouldn't have known to ask about using them. But, since the contact of the inactive timer should be open while it is inactive, I would not expect you to need them. But that is going to depend on the circuit design of your timers and the way you wire it all up. But rather than worry about the timers overlapping or back feed, you could do this with a single timer and a relay/contactor, providing that the relay had both NC and NO contacts and it is capable of carrying the amp load of the two fans. That way you'd never have to worry about multiple timers and overlap.

A licensed electrician would probably have heart murmurs if he saw my setup. I've got a 24 hr timer, a minute timer, a delay relay, a standard relay and a fan speed control wired up so that if my power goes out/blinks, my fans (circulation and exhaust) come on as soon as power is restored while my HPS is delayed 5 minutes to allow cool down to eliminate hot restrike. When my timer turns the lights out, my minute timer will kick in and run my fan approx 3 mins on for every 15 minutes to keep odor in check and help keep temps down and air circulated. Odors haven't been an issue for now so As summer is getting here, I'm about to change the minute timer out for a thermostat control to only run my fan when temps get too high because I don't have AC for my grow room. LoL
 

Buds4Fun

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Thanks for taking the time to reply. You bring up some valid points and I had come to almost the same conclusion today. I ditched the Idea of 2 timers. I went to an electrical wholesaler and asked if they made such a timer that instead of turning on and off at set time. Can turn A on, B off and A off, B on at at set time. Essentially opening one circuit and closing the other rather than just on & off. He asked me what the application was, I said flood lights :roll:. Hahaha. Anyway he said a "two channel timer", but he wanted almost $300 which is f@#king ridiculous. I am yet to research these and see if they would actually do the job.
 

SSampsy

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I want to turn the exhaust and intake fans down when lights good out. Not off, but down. I have a fan speed control. Can I hook it up with dual input to the fans like in the sketch. T being timmer and FC being fan speed control. If they timmers overlap at all (both on at the same time is this going to cause a problem? Do I need to fit diodes? Cheers
i don't really get the diagram but look up the mercury 4 by titan controlls. it has 3 different settings but one of them lets you keep the fan at an idle speed but also thermostatically controlled so when it his a certain temp it goes on max speed

https://sunlightsupply.s3.amazonaws.com/documents/product/702760_Instructions.pdf
 

ttystikk

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Google Variable fan speed temperature controllers. Some do it in steps, some continuously variable. Do NOT run a brushless fan on one or you'll destroy it.
 

SSampsy

Member
Google Variable fan speed temperature controllers. Some do it in steps, some continuously variable. Do NOT run a brushless fan on one or you'll destroy it.
So could a vortex s-line fan be used with the mercury 4? thats what i was thinking about getting. i already have a vortex on a dial-a-temp
 

ttystikk

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So could a vortex s-line fan be used with the mercury 4? thats what i was thinking about getting. i already have a vortex on a dial-a-temp
Maxfan brand fans are notorious for burning out on cheap speed controllers. I'm not sure about the others. Most of the time, if it's a muffin fan it's ok.
 

JMichael

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Can turn A on, B off and A off, B on at at set time. Essentially opening one circuit and closing the other rather than just on & off.
That is exactly what the relay I mentioned would do. When the relay is energized, the NO (normally open) contacts would conduct electricity to the fan , and the NC (normally closed) contacts would be open and not conduct any power. Then, when you drop power to (de energized) the relay, the NO contacts would open, thus dropping power from that leg while the NC contacts would close and conduct power to the speed control and fan.

Edit: This is the relay I'm using. It's contacts are rated at 5 amps but I'm running less than 1.5 amp load with my 4" inline and small circulation fan.
http://www.amazon.com/HH52P-120VAC-Electromagnetic-Power-DYF08A/dp/B00DN32YOG/ref=pd_bxgy_60_img_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=12WMT6XGCTE2VJN58TYF
 
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JMichael

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Just to expand on the warning that ttystikk gives above. This is one of the better writeups/answers I've seen, giving more detailed info on why cheap speed controls burn up inductive motors and why some fans seem to be more prone to die from using a speed control than others. Read the second answer which is given by Madrivereric.
http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/28692/ac-fan-speed-control
BTW, the lower/slower you try to go with one of these cheap speed controls, the harder it is on the motor and the more likely you are to damage it.
 
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