Child predator gets busted

Hookabelly

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I appreciate your reasoned responses ;) I want to learn all I can about this issue, so when people post a link to a post regarding it, I've read the entire thread. For the posts and thread you've linked to above, it seems he was asking the forum at large for three general pieces of info regarding real estate they own. He wasn't asking for personal specific info of any one member, and many members freely posted the answers he was looking for. It seems that you read that as, 'I want personal info on you and other members so I can use it against them irl'. That's quite a leap from what was actually asked, and likely fueled from past negative altercations with Pad that I'm not privy to...



You're referring to his general question of how he would go about getting someone's personal info, I can't see how that was aimed at any specific member. Do you feel it was aimed at you because of your relatively close proximity to each other? I'm not at all attempting to be obtuse in regard to these issues, I just cannot see what you are perceiving from the text you are pointing to...



Lol. Yes, that response was a head shaker. It seems unsympathetic and callous, no doubt. No argument there. I like and respect you, your mind is one of the finest on this board. Thank you for patiently attempting to show me what you see, it worked on this winterwoman response.

Pad and I go way back when I first got to RIU, when he was a mod in S&S&P. At that time, I only hung out there and then the Science/Tech section when that was created a couple of years later. Besides his intelligence, training in critical thought, and vast theological knowledge, what impressed me about Pad was his sincerity and his willingness to be so vulnerable. He would admit his social and sexual challenges so openly, he struck me as a brave man with a good deal of strength, especially for his young age. As the heavies that held up that subforum left one by one for various reasons, that board fell apart and its quality quickly declined and I lost interest. That's when I came over to TNT, a little over a year ago. Pad went to politics (a subject I have almost zero interest in), and we lost touch for the most part. I wanted to give a little background info to illustrate why I think the way I do about him. I got to know him well through thousands of posts and PMs back and forth over years, so when others accuse him of being so opposite of the man I knew I naturally need to see some hard evidence of such to sway my belief. If the hard evidence is now deleted, I'm in somewhat of a quandary. I respect you guys, and I also respect him. From my perspective it's similar to those that proffer conspiracy theory: they just KNOW there's a conspiracy and have seen the evidence first hand, but they cannot show it to others because 'they' have deleted it. Now the lack of evidence of the conspiracy is evidence for the conspiracy. My mind is open, and I value truth above loyalty or friendship. But lacking actual proof (at least at this juncture), yes we have to agree to disagree. I'm okay with that, I hope you guys are, too...

I have the same memories and feelings Pie described so eloquently earlier. It's not just the data the meta data figured large and you can't recreate that as Sunni alluded to. I assume the truth will out in time, eventually. So, no, I have no problem with you.
And THIS is how two intelligent people are able to respectfully debate
 

Flaming Pie

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I appreciate your reasoned responses ;) I want to learn all I can about this issue, so when people post a link to a post regarding it, I've read the entire thread. For the posts and thread you've linked to above, it seems he was asking the forum at large for three general pieces of info regarding real estate they own. He wasn't asking for personal specific info of any one member, and many members freely posted the answers he was looking for. It seems that you read that as, 'I want personal info on you and other members so I can use it against them irl'. That's quite a leap from what was actually asked, and likely fueled from past negative altercations with Pad that I'm not privy to...



You're referring to his general question of how he would go about getting someone's personal info, I can't see how that was aimed at any specific member. Do you feel it was aimed at you because of your relatively close proximity to each other? I'm not at all attempting to be obtuse in regard to these issues, I just cannot see what you are perceiving from the text you are pointing to...



Lol. Yes, that response was a head shaker. It seems unsympathetic and callous, no doubt. No argument there. I like and respect you, your mind is one of the finest on this board. Thank you for patiently attempting to show me what you see, it worked on this winterwoman response.

Pad and I go way back when I first got to RIU, when he was a mod in S&S&P. At that time, I only hung out there and then the Science/Tech section when that was created a couple of years later. Besides his intelligence, training in critical thought, and vast theological knowledge, what impressed me about Pad was his sincerity and his willingness to be so vulnerable. He would admit his social and sexual challenges so openly, he struck me as a brave man with a good deal of strength, especially for his young age. As the heavies that held up that subforum left one by one for various reasons, that board fell apart and its quality quickly declined and I lost interest. That's when I came over to TNT, a little over a year ago. Pad went to politics (a subject I have almost zero interest in), and we lost touch for the most part. I wanted to give a little background info to illustrate why I think the way I do about him. I got to know him well through thousands of posts and PMs back and forth over years, so when others accuse him of being so opposite of the man I knew I naturally need to see some hard evidence of such to sway my belief. If the hard evidence is now deleted, I'm in somewhat of a quandary. I respect you guys, and I also respect him. From my perspective it's similar to those that proffer conspiracy theory: they just KNOW there's a conspiracy and have seen the evidence first hand, but they cannot show it to others because 'they' have deleted it. Now the lack of evidence of the conspiracy is evidence for the conspiracy. My mind is open, and I value truth above loyalty or friendship. But lacking actual proof (at least at this juncture), yes we have to agree to disagree. I'm okay with that, I hope you guys are, too...
I don't pick on people because of who they choose to associate with. I just personally wouldn't associate with the person they are associating with.

I think it just frustrates people how he acts like his persona is squeaky clean when we have seen his quick to anger side. He is a very judgmental person on issues that he himself has no way of truly understanding.

I mean he fought with the women trying to explain how rape/beatings affects them.

That is a douche in my book. Doesn't mean you are a douche.

The people who he has unsettled cannot filter that side of him out. Which is understandable.
 

whitebb2727

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I'd get nervous if it was suggested to me that my choice of video game or film indulgence was in any way reflective of the behaviour I exhibit on the daily..
I can agree with this as i time the call of duty games and loved the grand theft auto games. I liked the "driver" series to. Oh hell, Max Payne.


That one game in questio though, kind of pushes the boundaries of taste.
 

Padawanbater2

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I can agree with this as i time the call of duty games and loved the grand theft auto games. I liked the "driver" series to. Oh hell, Max Payne.


That one game in questio though, kind of pushes the boundaries of taste.
That's exactly what the thread I posted was pointing out. More of a "Holy shit, look how insane this game is!" than a "OMG, this is what I want to do in REAL LIFE!". Exact same feeling I got when I saw the new MK fatalities. They are brutal as fuck, but nobody can deny how awesome they are.
 

Padawanbater2

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I think it just frustrates people how he acts like his persona is squeaky clean when we have seen his quick to anger side. He is a very judgmental person on issues that he himself has no way of truly understanding.

I mean he fought with the women trying to explain how rape/beatings affects them.
I didn't "fight" with anybody about that, there was nothing confrontational or hostile about anything in that thread

You are simply butthurt your opinions get trashed in the politics section because they are trash. You found a group of people that don't like me and kowtow to their opinions
 

whitebb2727

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I appreciate your reasoned responses ;) I want to learn all I can about this issue, so when people post a link to a post regarding it, I've read the entire thread. For the posts and thread you've linked to above, it seems he was asking the forum at large for three general pieces of info regarding real estate they own. He wasn't asking for personal specific info of any one member, and many members freely posted the answers he was looking for. It seems that you read that as, 'I want personal info on you and other members so I can use it against them irl'. That's quite a leap from what was actually asked, and likely fueled from past negative altercations with Pad that I'm not privy to...
You have to admit that a few from politics, pada included, have a lot of post saved for future use. I've seen it myself.

What does that mean? It could be they are meticulous when it comes to arguing. Could be the years of arguing back and forth.

Are we to forgot how out of hand things get in that section? Including people opening accounts in each others handles on racist or other questionable sites.

Does this mean the accusations ring true? No. It might be another nail in the coffen.
 

whitebb2727

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That's exactly what the thread I posted was pointing out. More of a "Holy shit, look how insane this game is!" than a "OMG, this is what I want to do in REAL LIFE!". Exact same feeling I got when I saw the new MK fatalities. They are brutal as fuck, but nobody can deny how awesome they are.
I can't deny that I like gory games. Everything from RPGs like baludurs gate and other games from blizzard on the PC in the 90's. 007 golden eye on n64. Delta force games for PC in the 90's.

Fair enough, I understand the reaction to the game mentioned.
 
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whitebb2727

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It was indeed a method of ascertaining "truth" during the Salem witch trials. I have no dog in this fight, happened before I joined, but I will always snark when opportunity presents because I'm an asshole :)
My brother from another mother.

Hmmmmmmm.


I stick with a previous statement "the military will make you a man or asshole, sometimes both.".

I know why you are an asshole. The same reason I am.
 

Flaming Pie

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Btw I remember him as a Sexuality and Religion mod. He was very combative with people who wanted to discuss religion in a positive or inquisitive nature.
I didn't "fight" with anybody about that, there was nothing confrontational or hostile about anything in that thread

You are simply butthurt your opinions get trashed in the politics section because they are trash. You found a group of people that don't like me and kowtow to their opinions
I've never really liked you. Too judgemental of others. Like huge buzzkill.

Everyone who doesn't agree with you is trash.
 

Padawanbater2

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Btw I remember him as a Sexuality and Religion mod. He was very combative with people who wanted to discuss religion in a positive or inquisitive nature.
I disagree. Much like the previous accusations, I don't believe things like asking for clarification or following logical conclusions is "combative" behavior. Science doesn't care about your feelings, science follows the evidence
 
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SunnyJim

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I mean he fought with the women trying to explain how rape/beatings affects them.

That is a douche in my book.
I'm not trying to stoke the fire here, but I think that's a risky way to roll.

It implies that any women, or indeed ALL women regardless of circumstance, are better equipped to understand the psychological, emotional, or physical effects of physical or sexual abuse against women than ANY man. Is this a fair statement?

So could we extrapolate that to say "my sister has a deeper understanding of how rape affects women than, say, a leading male psychologist working for the WHO and therefore can/should reject all of his opinions on the matter?" That statement would be invalid, I can assure you.

Gender, race, religion, or creed doesn't supersede knowledge, in my view.

This invites such thinking as "a Christian, all Christians, are better versed in the matters of the history of Jesus Christ than ANY non-Christian" which, again, is invalid.



:peace:
 

Xiu

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I'm not trying to stoke the fire here, but I think that's a risky way to roll.

It implies that any women, or indeed ALL women regardless of circumstance, are better equipped to understand the psychological, emotional, or physical effects of physical or sexual abuse against women than ANY man. Is this a fair statement?

So could we extrapolate that to say "my sister has a deeper understanding of how rape affects women than, say, a leading male psychologist working for the WHO and therefore can/should reject all of his opinions on the matter?" That statement would be invalid, I can assure you.

Gender, race, religion, or creed doesn't supersede knowledge, in my view.

This invites such thinking as "a Christian, all Christians, are better versed in the matters of the history of Jesus Christ than ANY non-Christian" which, again, is invalid.



:peace:
Good point, but I think you may have misread the quote.

I shall extinguish this fire before the curtains go ablaze. Fairly certain that Flamingpie was saying he was arguing with actual female members who had talked about their personal sexual assaults Not female members discussing assault in general.

A lack of emotion and tact was present in his interaction with that one female member from the thread. "Arguing" is up for interpretation.

Rather impressed how civil this has remained. I doff my cap.
 
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