new grower using a flunce spydrx plus i need help

needynate

needynate

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So this is my first grow ever. im growing in a 6x6 x10 storage area, it has a door but no vents anywhere and in that storage area i have a 4x4 gorilla grow tent .im running co2 and my light is a spydrx plus from fluence bioengineering . I have a 6 inch mountain air carbon filter rated at 340 cfm and an 6 inch inline , hyper fan rated at 315 cfm .i also have a titan atlas one controller to control my co2 levels And i have a portable single exhaust ac/dehumidifier . I recently potted some sunset sherbert clones , they came in rockwool , they were pretty well rooted.im using peat moss and vermiculite as my medium . First day i got clones i potted them and next day i noticed my temps were at 91 degrees , this was before i bought ac. Plants were droopy but since i bought ac that problem is taken care of ,but im still having problems with clones ,yellow leaves and slightly burned tips .clones have been in pots for five days and for the first day i watered no nutes and i lightly watered ,2nd day no water or nutes, third day i gave very light nutes ec was at 0.6 and ph at 7 . Since then i see slight growth on clones but still i see slightly burned tips and slightly curled edges of leaves .ive dimmed lights tremendously, humidy is around60% and temps never go pass 85degrees .also niticed my ppms in room are always higher than i have set on my atlas 1 . Does anyone have any idea why my clones are struggling ? Could it be lack of ventilation? To many ppms in air ? Not enough water or to much water? Or not enough feeding? Please help and im sorry if i typed this all confusing .i typed this really fast..
 
puffenuff

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If you post pictures that show us the plants you might get more responses.

I don't know much about growing in peat moss or vermiculite, but I suspect that approach is considered soilless/hydro so if that's the case PH of 7 is too high and should be around 5.5 to 6 range.

Hope you stick around to keep us updated on how the new spydrx performs.
 
FranJan

FranJan

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needynate said:
So this is my first grow ever. im growing in a 6x6 x10 storage area, it has a door but no vents anywhere and in that storage area i have a 4x4 gorilla grow tent .im running co2 and my light is a spydrx plus from fluence bioengineering . I have a 6 inch mountain air carbon filter rated at 340 cfm and an 6 inch inline , hyper fan rated at 315 cfm .i also have a titan atlas one controller to control my co2 levels And i have a portable single exhaust ac/dehumidifier . I recently potted some sunset sherbert clones , they came in rockwool , they were pretty well rooted.im using peat moss and vermiculite as my medium . First day i got clones i potted them and next day i noticed my temps were at 91 degrees , this was before i bought ac. Plants were droopy but since i bought ac that problem is taken care of ,but im still having problems with clones ,yellow leaves and slightly burned tips .clones have been in pots for five days and for the first day i watered no nutes and i lightly watered ,2nd day no water or nutes, third day i gave very light nutes ec was at 0.6 and ph at 7 . Since then i see slight growth on clones but still i see slightly burned tips and slightly curled edges of leaves .ive dimmed lights tremendously, humidy is around60% and temps never go pass 85degrees .also niticed my ppms in room are always higher than i have set on my atlas 1 . Does anyone have any idea why my clones are struggling ? Could it be lack of ventilation? To many ppms in air ? Not enough water or to much water? Or not enough feeding? Please help and im sorry if i typed this all confusing .i typed this really fast..
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Like Puff said. Plus cut the CO2 for now, keep humidity in the 50 to 60 range. You could start them under CFLs if you wanted then switch them to LED. Sometimes LED panels can be tricky, especially with younglings but this sounds like a PH thing like Puff said.
 
needynate

needynate

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FranJan said:
Like Puff said save the CO2 for now, keep humidity in the 50 to 60 range. You could start them under CFLs if you wanted then switch them to LED. Sometimes LED panels can be tricky, especially with younglings but this sounds like a PH thing like Puff said.
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If i cut off my co2 wont that mess up growth due to having no ventilation ? Pretty much my co2 is my vent.
 
needynate

needynate

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puffenuff said:
If you post pictures that show us the plants you might get more responses.

I don't know much about growing in peat moss or vermiculite, but I suspect that approach is considered soilless/hydro so if that's the case PH of 7 is too high and should be around 5.5 to 6 range.

Hope you stick around to keep us updated on how the new spydrx performs.
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I posted some pics
 
FranJan

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I don't think it's the lights as much as growing pains. Those roots on those plants need to get into your media, which needs nutes. What are you feeding them? And are you watering the whole pots and not just the area where the clones are? I'm no hydro wiz but even with the moisture retention of vermiculite, the amount of peat in those pots and normal humidity is gonna make watering and feeding those a pain. You should really buy a Blumat system IMO and worry about the PH and the Blumat carrot jamming. Peat is tough to water even with the vermiculite added, you gotta water reeeeeeeeeeal slow. And it's gonna compact and that's gonna test the vermiculite's aeration qualities, which aren't as high as perlite. The more I think about it , Blumats might really be sweet with that media. Maybe others have an opinion? @The Dawg

Great White or some other root stimulator is a good idea too right now. Compost/nute teas might stimulate your grow media and help your roots. And if you want my opinion one more time you may also want to give a really good think about switching those pots to buckets and grow hempy style. Or switching media if you really want to use those pots.
 
needynate

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FranJan said:
I don't think it's the lights as much as growing pains. Those roots on those plants need to get into your media, which needs nutes. What are you feeding them? And are you watering the whole pots and not just the area where the clones are? I'm no hydro wiz but even with the moisture retention of vermiculite, the amount of peat in those pots and normal humidity is gonna make watering and feeding those a pain. You should really buy a Blumat system IMO and worry about the PH and the Blumat carrot jamming. Peat is tough to water even with the vermiculite added, you gotta water reeeeeeeeeeal slow. And it's gonna compact and that's gonna test the vermiculite's aeration qualities, which aren't as high as perlite. The more I think about it , Blumats might really be sweet with that media. Maybe others have an opinion? @The Dawg

Great White or some other root stimulator is a good idea too right now. Compost/nute teas might stimulate your grow media and help your roots. And if you want my opinion one more time you may also want to give a really good think about switching those pots to buckets and grow hempy style. Or switching media if you really want to use those pots.
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Im feed them dyna grow foliage pro 9-3-6. Dyna grow pro tekt 0-0-3 and floralicious plus by general hydro . Today when i water i will be feeding and every other time after today i will stay feeding every other day. Ive only given nutes one time before today and that was on my fourth day of veg , today is day six in veg. And when ive been watering and feeding i dont water whole pot i just moisten up the center of pots not very much water really .these are three gallon smart pots by the way
 
FranJan

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Hey Nate, btw you can't skip feeding, you're using an inert media. What you're better off doing is starting low and increasing your ppm as the plant gets bigger. Only skip feeding when they look overfed, (burnt). And water the whole pot when you water. You want that media completely wet, then have it dry out, which it probably will do pretty quickly with your choice of media and fabric pot. And water nice and slow. Peat is pretty water phobic, you have to water it slow to get it to retain some water and not just push it.

See how you have so many different problems with your plants? That's a root/PH thing. You get your roots going, your problems will be a memory. So get your PH lower, work on your watering habits and figure out how to best get your roots booming so the plants can absorb what they need from your nutes and not from itself. Poor roots can't effectively intake nutes and that usually results in pretty funky looking plants. Best of Luck Nate and you should start a post with some of those pix in the hydro section and see what the champs there have to say.
 
Resinhound

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One thing that will help with watering light mixtures is to add a small amount of wetting agent to keep it from compacting and beading up on the fibres.A small amount of wetting agent will help those fibres absorb the nutrients/water.I like earth juice assist,its natural yucca saponins.Ive heard of people using a drop of plain dishsoap as well.
 
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banke1

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i would try dimming the light and saving some electricity while your at it.... or just raise it up.... in addition to the ph issues.... they just remind me of a time my buddy put my clone machine under stronger light and they almost all died... he thought it would be ok since they had giant foot long roots in the clone machine
 
needynate

needynate

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The Dawg said:
ok your in smart pots 1st is get them off the floor. The reason is the bottoms will stay wet and create root rot. Air movement under smart pots is critical
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Ive only fed once and today is 7 days in pots.my ec was at 0.6 and ph 7.0
The Dawg said:

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What you ppm's at. Look's like their starving for food also whats your pH
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Ive only fed once and today is 7 days in pots ec was at 0.6
 
needynate

needynate

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Resinhound said:
One thing that will help with watering light mixtures is to add a small amount of wetting agent to keep it from compacting and beading up on the fibres.A small amount of wetting agent will help those fibres absorb the nutrients/water.I like earth juice assist,its natural yucca saponins.Ive heard of people using a drop of plain dishsoap as well.
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Yea ive been thinking about buying yucca .its a little pricey tho lol
 
needynate

needynate

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banke1 said:
i would try dimming the light and saving some electricity while your at it.... or just raise it up.... in addition to the ph issues.... they just remind me of a time my buddy put my clone machine under stronger light and they almost all died... he thought it would be ok since they had giant foot long roots in the clone machine
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Yea ive raised the light and dimm.
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needynate

needynate

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For peat moss where should my ph and ec/ppms be at? How much should i water?i use tgree gallon smart pots
 
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