Do you even know KNOWLEDGE? Wisdom?

TheFuture

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Consider that all of your traditional education came from but a few sources: Parents, Experience, Elementary School, High School & College or University.

Consider also that the sum of this education is the whole of the parts which comprise of all of the Teachers, Professors & other Authoritative Figures whom you have met throughout your experience on this Earth.

As Defined:
To Educate is to give moral, social & intellectual instruction to a person, likely at school or university.
To Teach is to show and explain.
To Profess is to affirm one's belief in a religion or set of beliefs.
A Religion is a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance.
An Opinion is a view or judgement about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
A Fact is something that truly exists or happens; something that has actual existence, a True piece of Information.
Information is Facts provided or learned about something or someone.
To Learn is to gain or acquire knowledge of or skill in something by study, Experience or being taught.
Experience is the practical contact with and observation of Facts or Events.
Skill is the Ability to do something well; Expertise.
Ability is the possession of the means or Skill to do something.
Expertise is expert skill or knowledge in a particular field.
Knowledge is Facts, Information, and Skills acquired by a person through Experience or Education; the theoretical or practical understanding of a subject.

Abstract:

We each Experience nearly the same progressive lives as one another. We each are Taught different Skills & gain varying Abilities based on our Environment, Culture, Parents, Schooling & Life Experience. Based also on our generational wave, we have multitudes of commonalities to one another based on the proximity to said generation. In America there are still essentially 6 living generations:

The GI Generation: Born 1901 to 1926. Children of WWI and WWII and young during the Great Depression. Hard Working, Teamwork Driven, Big Devastation, Big Wars, Big Prosperity.
The Korea/Vietnam Generation: Born 1927 to 1945. Lived through suffering conformity, Women stayed home, Men pledged loyalty to the corporation for life.
The Baby Boomers: Born 1946 to 1964. The Hippies & the Yuppies. Free Love, Self Righteous & Self-Centered.
The Generation X: Born 1965 to 1980. Entrepreneurial & Individualistic. Transition between Paper & Digital worlds.Self absorbed & Suspicious.
The Generation Y/Millenium: Born 1981 to 2000. The Echo Boomers or 9/11 Generation. Have never known a world without computers. Been repeatedly told they are special and expect the world to treat them that way.
The Generation Z/Boomlets: Born after 2001. More than 60% have their own TV. Have never known a world without computers and cell phones. Have Eco-Fatigue. Kids Growing Older Younger.

By no means is that meant to be all defining. I was just grabbing at some random excerpts on the internet for illustrative purposes of delineating generations. We all have our own ideas and to be honest I dont even know about that last one. Boomlets? WTF.

So our combined Knowledge as we traditionally see it is only credible if coming from some type of accredited schooling, while by definition Knowledge can be gained through Experience. What if I was to suppose that you consider that your Elementary School Teachers only contained the amount of Knowledge as they had Experienced in life plus Schooling? They did not have adequate enough Life Experience to have the Wisdom to know what material they were Teaching you was Fact or Opinion. Instead, they were required to follow the approved curriculum because it was their JOB to Teach you this material. Because your Teacher is an Authoritative Figure and you go to School to Learn, you absorb all information as Fact, whether Fact or Opinion, or even whether you are being taught irrelevant material from outdated books. You could have simply been taught material that has been proven otherwise through advances in technology, medicine, etc. and not yet updated because of lack of funding.

Then, let's continue this into High School, where more reinforcement is made on the same subjects. While you are gaining new information at a higher level of Schooling, this is the first transition in which your growing brain starts to see some incongruities. When the questioning of WHY and HOW is unable to be answered because the Teacher doesn't even agree with the curriculum, the Student is punished and deemed Rebellious. The system chooses to attempt to drive out the steam behind the motivations in the Student by focusing on Sports and other primitive means to "let off steam." Those students who excel are those who conform to the system. They Learn the Information presented as if it were Fact, and this ends up becoming a Habit. Thus, the system rewards those who DO and not THINK.

Once we arrive in University or College, we are baffled by Professors. They spew forth their Beliefs onto the masses as educational zealots. You are told from a frothing mouth to forget everything you learned in all previous Schooling and learn an entirely new set of principles based upon specialization. To make a long story short, this is our Tower of Babylon. From this point forth, everyone's vocational language is splintered and for most of us we stick to our workplace "tribes." At this point the vast majority of people cling to their workplace tribes, filling their huts with precious trinkets and building fences to keep the hoard safe. Too afraid to do anything else or learn anything new, the only other place is a cave somewhere... Which inevitably leads to Plato's Allegory of the Cave. I'm not typing ANY of all that here you can go read it for yourself. Highly recommended.

Well, anyway, the GI generation paved the way for the Korea/Vietnam generations to live a life of prosperity out of calamity, strife, and suffering. They built the future on broken shoulders and worn backs and paved the way for the Baby Boomers. The Baby Boomers broke free from the staunch conservatism which led to equal rights, political protests, economic surges and upheavals, as well as driving prosperity forward. For the all of the volatility, Generation X and Y have been handed a dismal ashcan of an economy and a world filled with global strife unheard of through history. With the technological advances that have been made from this generation the Generation Z has been able to begin in an incredibly ridiculous world in which they have no idea what it was like before the world was peppered with cell phones, computers, and electronics. I know this paragraph is kinda summed up quickly but damnit I am tired of writing.

By the year 2030 the computers we perceive today as "Supercomputers" will be as disposable as the singing birthday cards of today. No one will be allowed to drive cars as they will all be automated and there will be no traffic fatalities or drunk driving. We will be able to wallpaper the walls of our homes one time with a Samsung OLED wallpaper and be able to program our walls just like our computer desktops.

And there will be a generation born then who will never know a life like ours today. Just as we have no idea how it was to really live in 1930. There's not that many people around anymore to tell the tale and if they did I would still have a hard time picturing it.

So how much do you really know? As in how much KNOWLEDGE and WISDOM do you really have? Wisdom is the quality of having experience, knowledge, and good judgment; the quality of being wise. Both require time no matter how you look at it and is precisely why you should listen to your elders. This is also why as an elder it is your duty to not just dessicate but disseminate your Wisdom and Knowledge. Instead of looking at the younger generations as ignorant, self serving, and blah blah blah, why not figure out how to get them to listen and/or apply your Knowledge and Wisdom? Instead of looking on to Older Generations as crotchety, annoying, and irrelevant, why not ask for the information you need? Why not try to help someone just to gain knowledge and wisdom rather than any other type of gain?

As humans, we need society and gathering. We need each other. We need Knowledge and we all have it... in little pieces. That is what this web site is about. that is what the internet and the millions of other forums and websites out there to exchange information. That is what every club and society is about. Gathering together to exchange ideas for the common furtherance of our society at large and as a planetary species.

How much KNOWLEDGE do you have? Prove it. Do some good in this world irrelevant to needs or rewards. Go teach somebody something you have factual knowledge, skills and abilities in. Help, grab someone inexperienced and turn them into someone experienced. Go plant a tree. You'll be providing back some of that oxygen you breathe. Do more than required, more often than asked. Knowledge is having skills, Wisdom is appropriately putting them to use.

As knowledgeable as you are in something, I guarantee there is something I know more about that you. At the same time, there will always be something you know way more than I could ever possibly delve into in a lifetime. That's the beauty of it. The more Knowledge you share, the more Knowledge you gain, and the more Wisdom you both gain. Where one mind can create, two or more can multiply and synergize.

It just takes Knowledge. Please share yours. Not just here, but everywhere. True Wisdom knows that it takes emphatically listening first, then seeking to understand before one can truly begin to teach.
 

Fogdog

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Somebody that I was acquainted with at college took a whole lot of peyote during summer break. She came back convinced that everything taught at school could be divined by simply thinking about it. We were beginning the second semester of Biochemistry. I didn't think I could "just figure it out" so I took the idiots path and studied. I don't recall seeing her in class at the end of semester or at graduation. Your tome reminded me of her. Peace out, dude.

 
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VegasWinner

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Knowledge is like a field of flowers. The flowers appear beautiful. The flowers can be appreciated, enjoyed, cared for, nurtured, etc. Knowledge is like flowers. However, to create the highest potential from the knowledge requires Wisdom. Wisdom comes from training by a Mentor or Teacher. Best Wisdom comes from Experience of both Teacher and Self. Wisdom comes from within. Knowledge comes from without. Wisdom resides in the heart, knowledge resides in the head. True Wisdom comes from the Oneness of Mind and Body.
namaste
 

GreenLogician

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"A Religion is a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance."
--- What if a skeptical secular atheist biochemist is obsessed with trying to cure cancer, striving their whole lives to achieve this goal? Does that make them religious, with curing cancer as their religion?
How about the same situation but for a Christian biochemist? Does belief in a classical religion's structure of supernatural claims no longer count as your religion if you have something secular as your most important value?
 

GreenLogician

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This point could be made for many examples, if that one doesn't strike home. Perhaps a mother whose child is about to be hit by a car temporarily changes her religion to 'get my child to safety' instead of Christianity, etc.
I don't think you've got a very good definition of religion there.
 

VegasWinner

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"A Religion is a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance."
--- What if a skeptical secular atheist biochemist is obsessed with trying to cure cancer, striving their whole lives to achieve this goal? Does that make them religious, with curing cancer as their religion?
How about the same situation but for a Christian biochemist? Does belief in a classical religion's structure of supernatural claims no longer count as your religion if you have something secular as your most important value?
what is religion? a organized group of common thought and teachings put into practice.? Curing cancer is not religious it is faith that is not tied to any religion, other than belief in self. All healing comes from within self. peace.
 

VegasWinner

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This point could be made for many examples, if that one doesn't strike home. Perhaps a mother whose child is about to be hit by a car temporarily changes her religion to 'get my child to safety' instead of Christianity, etc.
I don't think you've got a very good definition of religion there.
Wisdom and knowledge have no direct connection to religion. Knowledge is what you learn in school. Wisdom is knowing when to use that knowledge for best positive outcome for all involved. No religion in that understanding. Knowledge is observing a field of flowers and picking some to take home for your table in a vase.. wisdom is observing a field of flowers and being content in seeing the flowers just as they are in the field with the other flowers expressing their Joy. No religon in that, just and ability to observe nature and leave it as you found it, for others to appreciate, just as you or I did. namaste
 

eye exaggerate

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Wisdom and knowledge have no direct connection to religion [...[
Wisdom (Sophia)

Sophia (σοφία, Greek for "wisdom") is a central idea in Hellenistic philosophy and religion, Platonism, Gnosticism, Orthodox Christianity, Esoteric Christianity, as well as Christian mysticism. Sophiology is a philosophical concept regarding wisdom, as well as a theological concept regarding the wisdom of the biblical God.

Sophia is honored as a goddess of wisdom by Gnostics, as well as by some Neopagan, New Age, and Goddess spirituality groups. In Orthodox and Roman Catholic Christianity, Sophia, or rather Hagia Sophia (Holy Wisdom), is an expression of understanding for the second person of the Holy Trinity, (as in the dedication of the church of Hagia Sophia in Constantinople) as well as in the Old Testament, as seen in the Book of Proverbs 9:1, but not an angel or goddess.
 

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VegasWinner

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Wisdom (Sophia)

Sophia (σοφία, Greek for "wisdom") is a central idea in Hellenistic philosophy and religion, Platonism, Gnosticism, Orthodox Christianity, Esoteric Christianity, as well as Christian mysticism. Sophiology is a philosophical concept regarding wisdom, as well as a theological concept regarding the wisdom of the biblical God.

Sophia is honored as a goddess of wisdom by Gnostics, as well as by some Neopagan, New Age, and Goddess spirituality groups. In Orthodox and Roman Catholic Christianity, Sophia, or rather Hagia Sophia (Holy Wisdom), is an expression of understanding for the second person of the Holy Trinity, (as in the dedication of the church of Hagia Sophia in Constantinople) as well as in the Old Testament, as seen in the Book of Proverbs 9:1, but not an angel or goddess.
Using religion to define religion. Wisdom as defined by the Greeks that stole the concept from the Egyptians. Religion has nothing to do with wisdom, just as faith ahs notjhing to do with religion. But of your religon says so, it must be so.

Wisdom comes from within, that is not religion, that is called self reflection. There is a difference. Please provide a concept of wisdom outside of religion and religions definition. You are free to believe anything you want. I am moving on as Philosophy is NOT religion. peace. have a good day.
namaste
 

VegasWinner

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"Aristotle distinguished between two different kinds of wisdom, theoretical wisdom and practical wisdom. Theoretical wisdom is, according to Aristotle, “scientific knowledge, combined with intuitive reason, of the things that are highest by nature”,

"For Aristotle, theoretical wisdom involves knowledge of necessary, scientific, first principles and propositions that can be logically deduced from them."

"This is why we say Anaxagoras, Thales, and men like them have philosophic but not practical wisdom, when we see them ignorant of what is to their own advantage, and why we say that they know things that are remarkable, admirable, difficult, and divine, but useless; viz. because it is not human goods they seek” ->http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/wisdom/
 

eye exaggerate

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Using religion to define religion. Wisdom as defined by the Greeks that stole the concept from the Egyptians. Religion has nothing to do with wisdom, just as faith ahs notjhing to do with religion. But of your religon says so, it must be so.

Wisdom comes from within, that is not religion, that is called self reflection. There is a difference. Please provide a concept of wisdom outside of religion and religions definition. You are free to believe anything you want. I am moving on as Philosophy is NOT religion. peace. have a good day.
namaste
Hi, not sure what you mean there in the blue.

Wisdom is seeing the bigger picture and being able to apply knowledge gained through experience in order to navigate it. It's not an intellectual pursuit, it is an introspective one. Seeing within and throughout.
 

VegasWinner

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Hi, not sure what you mean there in the blue.

Wisdom is seeing the bigger picture and being able to apply knowledge gained through experience in order to navigate it. It's not an intellectual pursuit, it is an introspective one. Seeing within and throughout.
Yeah I said that, but I was accused of being religious. I am a Buddhist. I understand these concepts. have practiced them my entire life. peace. have good time. out.
 

OriginalRoast

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the sum of this education is the whole of the parts
Were you were trying to quote Aristotle when you said this? If not, then its kinda redundant. I enjoyed your post nonetheless. Looking at the structure of the education system for clues to the extent our our knowledge is a novelty for me, I prefer a more philosophical approach. It seems that you rely on the concepts of empiricism to examine knowledge. Have you ever considered rationalism as a source? For example, gaining knowledge from innate ideas.
 

TheFuture

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It started out interesting, but quickly turned into tl;dr
Thanks, I got tired of writing too.

So what's your point, in fifty words or less?
To create a venue of intellectual discourse.

I love that reply.

Somebody that I was acquainted with at college took a whole lot of peyote during summer break. She came back convinced that everything taught at school could be divined by simply thinking about it. We were beginning the second semester of Biochemistry. I didn't think I could "just figure it out" so I took the idiots path and studied. I don't recall seeing her in class at the end of semester or at graduation. Your tome reminded me of her. Peace out, dude.

Well obviously you cannot just have insight into biochem especially as taught in an institution, but the initial ideas behind biochemistry at its core came from where? For the sarcasm, while you were in school spending a bunch of money you didn't have learning about biochem I was busy building businesses to employ people like yourself so I CAN think about existentialism and philosophy. Ah, leisure is priceless. C'mon, think outside of that box. You're smarter and better than that.

Knowledge is like a field of flowers. The flowers appear beautiful. The flowers can be appreciated, enjoyed, cared for, nurtured, etc. Knowledge is like flowers. However, to create the highest potential from the knowledge requires Wisdom. Wisdom comes from training by a Mentor or Teacher. Best Wisdom comes from Experience of both Teacher and Self. Wisdom comes from within. Knowledge comes from without. Wisdom resides in the heart, knowledge resides in the head. True Wisdom comes from the Oneness of Mind and Body.
namaste
This is what I was looking for.

Wisdom (Sophia)

Sophia (σοφία, Greek for "wisdom") is a central idea in Hellenistic philosophy and religion, Platonism, Gnosticism, Orthodox Christianity, Esoteric Christianity, as well as Christian mysticism. Sophiology is a philosophical concept regarding wisdom, as well as a theological concept regarding the wisdom of the biblical God.

Sophia is honored as a goddess of wisdom by Gnostics, as well as by some Neopagan, New Age, and Goddess spirituality groups. In Orthodox and Roman Catholic Christianity, Sophia, or rather Hagia Sophia (Holy Wisdom), is an expression of understanding for the second person of the Holy Trinity, (as in the dedication of the church of Hagia Sophia in Constantinople) as well as in the Old Testament, as seen in the Book of Proverbs 9:1, but not an angel or goddess.
Again, good stuff.

"Aristotle distinguished between two different kinds of wisdom, theoretical wisdom and practical wisdom. Theoretical wisdom is, according to Aristotle, “scientific knowledge, combined with intuitive reason, of the things that are highest by nature”,

"For Aristotle, theoretical wisdom involves knowledge of necessary, scientific, first principles and propositions that can be logically deduced from them."

"This is why we say Anaxagoras, Thales, and men like them have philosophic but not practical wisdom, when we see them ignorant of what is to their own advantage, and why we say that they know things that are remarkable, admirable, difficult, and divine, but useless; viz. because it is not human goods they seek” ->http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/wisdom/
Yep, that too.

I just came here to fuck bitches and Hail Satan.

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I like a man who knows what he wants and seeks it with determination.

Hi, not sure what you mean there in the blue.

Wisdom is seeing the bigger picture and being able to apply knowledge gained through experience in order to navigate it. It's not an intellectual pursuit, it is an introspective one. Seeing within and throughout.
Thank you.

Were you were trying to quote Aristotle when you said this? If not, then its kinda redundant. I enjoyed your post nonetheless. Looking at the structure of the education system for clues to the extent our our knowledge is a novelty for me, I prefer a more philosophical approach. It seems that you rely on the concepts of empiricism to examine knowledge. Have you ever considered rationalism as a source? For example, gaining knowledge from innate ideas.

Thank you as well. You see the value in not having to go to an "educational institution" for that knowledge.


I just had to make this tome longer by replying to everyone's individual reply, FYI.
 

Fogdog

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Thanks, I got tired of writing too.



To create a venue of intellectual discourse.



I love that reply.



Well obviously you cannot just have insight into biochem especially as taught in an institution, but the initial ideas behind biochemistry at its core came from where? For the sarcasm, while you were in school spending a bunch of money you didn't have learning about biochem I was busy building businesses to employ people like yourself so I CAN think about existentialism and philosophy. Ah, leisure is priceless. C'mon, think outside of that box. You're smarter and better than that.



This is what I was looking for.



Again, good stuff.



Yep, that too.



I like a man who knows what he wants and seeks it with determination.



Thank you.




Thank you as well. You see the value in not having to go to an "educational institution" for that knowledge.


I just had to make this tome longer by replying to everyone's individual reply, FYI.
nobody...NOBODY...just figured out the Kreb's cycle. There is a good reason for teachers and education. Maybe not for everything well, yes for everything. It's an arrogance to think that you are the best there ever was. Or to think that you can't learn something from a person who dedicated his life to the subject.
 

OriginalRoast

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Gaining new knowledge is not possible. For us to gain new knowledge we would have to learn something new. However, all knowable things are already known. When we find that we don't "know" something, it is because we have simply forgotten it; we just have to be reminded to "know" something.
 
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