Fox News “brainwashed” so many dads: “People are being bamboozled on a massive scale”

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ThickStemz

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a senile fungus said:
" WHAT IS THE EVIDENCE HERE OF BAD CHARACTER?
Conduct in the U.K. includes the following:

  • Top News Corp. officials, including Rupert Murdoch and Rebekah Brooks, lied before a British investigation – the Leveson Inquiry – about the source of a story run by News Corp.’s The Sun about Prime Minister Gordon Brown’s son having cystic fibrosis.
  • James Murdoch lied to an inquiry conducted by a committee of the House of Commons about not having information about wiretaps before approving a large monetary settlement with the victim of the wiretaps.
  • Multiple News Corp. executives and reporters have been arrested and charged with illegally intercepting voicemail messages, including the voicemail messages of a young girl, Milly Dowler, which led to the false impression she was still alive.
  • Rupert Murdoch and News Corp. have promoted an environment of secrecy and lack of candor, including payments of large money settlements that include confidentiality clauses in order to keep the information from investigators and the public.
  • News Corp. employees have bribed British officials, which in addition to violating British law, also may violate the U.S. Foreign Corrupt Practices Act.
  • The House of Commons concluded from all this that Rupert Murdoch “is not a fit person to exercise the stewardship of a major international company.” We agree.
Conduct in the U.S. includes allegations of hacking phones of 9/11 victims and illegally gaining access to the password-protected system of a company News Corp. was trying to acquire."

http://www.citizensforethics.org/pages/faq-fcc-petition-to-deny-news-corp-fox-broadcast-renewal-rupert-murdoch

Pretty damning. All of the above would explain the split of the company.
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I'm not now nor have I ever been under the delusion that FNC was out to stand up for conservative principles.

There are people in their employ on tv who may be.

But the reason it's on the air is to turn a profit for Murdock et al.
 
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ThickStemz

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UncleBuck said:
what?
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Youre not that stupid to read that literally.

If you didn't constantly engage in "gotcha" games you would probably be entertaining to talk to.

Instead, you're just boring and predictable.

FFS you forgot to cut out the part of my quote where I said they have an obvious biased slant.

That would negate their fair and balanced calling card.

And when I said balance it's clear in my full quote I'm talking about the viewer having a balanced view of all news, FNC just being one piece of the whole. They are a balance against msnbc and Cnn. Not balanced themselves.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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ThickStemz said:
Youre not that stupid to read that literally.

If you didn't constantly engage in "gotcha" games you would probably be entertaining to talk to.

Instead, you're just boring and predictable.

FFS you forgot to cut out the part of my quote where I said they have an obvious biased slant.

That would negate their fair and balanced calling card.

And when I said balance it's clear in my full quote I'm talking about the viewer having a balanced view of all news, FNC just being one piece of the whole. They are a balance against msnbc and Cnn. Not balanced themselves.
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so it's biased and its balance is way to the right, but they also do not stand up for conservative principles?

you talk in circles pretty bad.
 
Blunted 4 lyfe

Blunted 4 lyfe

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ThickStemz said:
I'm sure they set up the interview and I'm sure they knew the topic would be islam in Europe. I don't think these things are scripted. It's possible they knew ahead of time that the Muslim only thing was going to be said. It's possible they didn't.

It's entirely possible that they had no idea what specifically this man was going to say, only general talking points. When you run a 24/7 news chanel with 21 hours of live talking, it can't all be planned out before hand.

You ask how they get the headers up. They can be up within seconds of the uttering of a phrase. All someone in a control booth need do is type, and remember that the graphics are overlay onto a delayed conversation. So the graphics can been be ahead of the people talking that way.


I'm not trying to move the goalposts here but hopefully you'd allow someone to refine their point. When I said news story, I meant a prepared segment with no outside variable. Something FNC would have been 100% in control of and had time to review and vet properly and still decide to go with. An example would be something like the Dan Rather story in the 04 election. Something they should have known was false, had total control of, and went ahead due to their zeal getting the better of any journalistic integrity.

You did provide a lot of examples. I focused on this one becuase you listed it first. I assume you lead with your best. If you think another thing better exhibits their fakeness let's discuss that becuase we can't discuss all those issues.

And keep in mind. I'm not saying FNC is a perfectly centrist objective news chanel. They have a right slant and operate that way. They chose what to discuss and what way to discuss it.

Msnbc does the same, just on the left. CNN is almost as left as msnbc. Having a slant doesn't mean it isn't news. Reporting false events as truth does. And of course, normal human error has to be taken into account.
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Ok let's move on what about Bill O'Reilly's on air lies about reporting from a war zone or that he was about to interview an important witness to Kennedys assassination conspiracy but the witness committed suicide when he was at the door, but later it was reported he wasn't even in the state or how about the report of Death Panels. What say you about that?

B4L
 
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ThickStemz

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UncleBuck said:
so it's biased and its balance is way to the right, but they also do not stand up for conservative principles?

you talk in circles pretty bad.
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No. It's just your job to try to draw them.

My original comets you chopped up to make your point still stand.
 
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ThickStemz

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Blunted 4 lyfe said:
Ok let's move on what about Bill O'Reilly's on air lies about reporting from a war zone or that he was about to interview an important witness to Kennedys assassination conspiracy but the witness committed suicide when he was at the door, but later it was reported he wasn't even in the state or how about the report of Death Panels. What say you about that?

B4L
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I've heard about them but I'm not that familiar with the facts surrounding the stories.

O'Reilly has an ego a mile wide. Making up stories about being in a war zone, under sniper fire when there was only a welcoming party at the airport. That's just his style.

Can't trust someone that would do that. Can we?
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Even if every other news organization was left leaning, which they're not, why would you support a media outlet that leans right? Shouldn't they all be objective? Instead of supporting Fox News to "balance it out", why wouldn't you just stop supporting the stations that are not objective, both left and right leaning?
 
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ThickStemz

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Padawanbater2 said:
Even if every other news organization was left leaning, which they're not, why would you support a media outlet that leans right? Shouldn't they all be objective? Instead of supporting Fox News to "balance it out", why wouldn't you just stop supporting the stations that are not objective, both left and right leaning?
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It isn't about supporting Pada.

What I was talking about there was how to watch news in this environment and leave with the best perspective. Watch some msnbc, some FNC, some BBC and some AL Jazeera. Read drudge and huffpo.

Look at something from as many angles as possible.

I didn't say they all lean left, I said they all lean left of center. Some are pretty damn close to center. Msnbc is fox as far as bias.
 
Blunted 4 lyfe

Blunted 4 lyfe

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ThickStemz said:
I see what you mean. However, I would just say that FNC has more in common with the other tv companies than it does the print news companies in the other division of the company.

Running a news paper is vastly different from running a tv cable news channel.

At no point in this thread, in case you missed it, have I said that FNC lives up to its motto fair and balanced. It has an obvious right wing bias and Murdoch has done this to capitalize on the under served conservative half of America that had no place to turn for right leaning news. Brilliant business decision.
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You stated Faux had a right wing bias but otherwise fair and balanced

Fair and balanced my ass.

B4L
 
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Blunted 4 lyfe said:
You stated Faux had a right wing bias but otherwise fair and balanced

Fair and balanced my ass.

B4L
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I never said they were balanced.

I said they serve as a balance.

I said they're fair. I've seen countless interviews with republican and democrat subjects and they don't engage in gotcha questions.
 
a senile fungus

a senile fungus

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Padawanbater2 said:
Even if every other news organization was left leaning, which they're not, why would you support a media outlet that leans right? Shouldn't they all be objective? Instead of supporting Fox News to "balance it out", why wouldn't you just stop supporting the stations that are not objective, both left and right leaning?
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ThickStemz said:
Look, it's an information war, and objectivity isn't the goal it's scoring points.
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