Fox News “brainwashed” so many dads: “People are being bamboozled on a massive scale”

[ThickStemz]

Ill end my participation in this thread with this.

in other words, you can't refute any of it.

Not ture. I refute them with Hitchens' Razor.

That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

Ill end my participation in this thread because its pointless. The stance you and pada and others here take isn't based on logic or facts or argument. Your position is based on political agenda. You cant be convinced because you choose not to be. The entire left wing obsession with FoxNews boils down to an organized effort to deny credibility to FNC.

If half of what you imply of FNC were true there would be much more solid evidence against FNC and multiple examples of Dan Rather style fabricated stories would be easily found.

Instead, what we see is the result of multiple organizations who record and monitor every moment of FNC broadcasts and go through them with a fine tooth comb looking for the slightest possible mistake or error and then these are used as evidence of propaganda.

There is a ceaseless drum beat out there that FNC is FauxNews and exuberant declarations that no one should ever watch FNC, and when pressed to why the best that can be come up with is "they had a guest on a show that said something stupid." or Megyn "Kelly said Jesus was white." Its vacuous.

There is no valid criticism of FNC that cannot equally apply to the news industry as a whole. I do wish for a day when the term Journalist means something again. When they could be trusted to report the facts instead of drive opinion. The worst that can be said of Fox News is that they serve as a counter weight to an industry that is dominated by those on the left spectrum of politics in this country to give a perspective to half of the citizens of this country who do not share that end.

Because they are the only organization reporting news of interest to those on the right, they have huge ratings compared to their peers on the left, who must divide their share of the audience between them. Its jealousy over higher ratings. Its annoyance at having to report on some stories all other news networks would prefer to ignore. Its frustration at the ability to completely control the flow of information to suit the agenda of the left that controls the other alphabet networks.

FNC is necessary and as valid as any other cable news network.

 

[UncleBuck]

Ill end my participation in this thread

thank goodness.

That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

except padawan gave a massive amount of evidence.

Your position is based on political agenda. You cant be convinced because you choose not to be. The entire left wing obsession with FoxNews boils down to an organized effort to deny credibility to FNC.

their own viewers deny credibility to fox news, because those viewers are less informed than those who watch no news at all.

sorry that goes against your political agenda, bignbushy.

 

[ThickStemz]

thank goodness.



except padawan gave a massive amount of evidence.

No, he had a list, it had a lot of work left to do before it could have been called evidence. But as I said, its not worth discussing, particularly with you, since you're just a cheerleader.

their own viewers deny credibility to fox news, because those viewers are less informed than those who watch no news at all.

.

I've never seen you cite that study or report or poll or whatever it is.

 

[UncleBuck]

No, he had a list, it had a lot of work left to do before it could have been called evidence.

padawan's list enumerated many examples, or "evidence", of fox news outright lying.

no wonder you quit law school to suck dick for heroin, you don't even know what evidence is.

I've never seen you cite that study or report or poll or whatever it is.

you can google those exact words and find it.

but you already said you refused to acknowledge it as true, without ever having even seen the study.

that just speaks to your bias, prejudice, and political agenda.

so i guess you also lied when you said you were done with this thread.

 

[ThickStemz]

padawan's list enumerated many examples, or "evidence", of fox news outright lying.

no wonder you quit law school to suck dick for heroin, you don't even know what evidence is.

disregarding the nonsense above, let me point out to you how it isn't evidence...

As example, one of the things on that list was something like 'Fox news reported about isis crossing border with mexico'

Well turns out even Janet Napolitano has said that "from time to time" there is terrorist activity along the southern border and they have crossed.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/napolitano-terrorists-enter-us-mexico-time-time

At a July 25 hearing of the House Homeland Security Committee, Rep. Ron Barber (D-Ariz.) asked Napolitano: “As you know, Madam Secretary, there have been anecdotal reports about material evidence of the presence of terrorists along our southern border. My question is, is there any credible evidence that these reports are accurate and that terrorists are, in fact, crossing our southern border with the intent to do harm to the American people?”

Napolitano answered: “With respect, there have been--and the Ababziar matter would be one I would refer to that's currently being adjudicated in the criminal courts--from time to time, and we are constantly working against different and evolving threats involving various terrorist groups and various ways they may seek to enter the country.”

“What I can tell you, however, is that that southern border--the U.S.-Mexico border--is heavily, heavily staffed at record amounts of manpower, materiel, infrastructure and the like, and we are constantly making sure we're doing all we can to make that border as safe as possible,” she said.

An August 2009 audit by the Government Accountability Office that focused on Customs and Border Protection (CBP) checkpoints said that in fiscal 2008 CBP reported “there were three individuals encountered by the Border Patrol at southwest border checkpoints who were identified as persons linked to terrorism.”

So what does that mean? Padas list item about terrorists crossing the border turns out to not be evidence of anything. There is meat to this story.

IF, if FNC did some story indicating thousands of those new Toyota trucks with tens of thousands of ISIS fighters were lined up getting ready to bust into El Paso, then yes, that's a fake story.

If it was a piece on how its possibly a dangerous situation and a possibility, then absolutely its a valid story and that is a feather in my hat and not yours.

 

[UncleBuck]

disregarding the nonsense above, let me point out to you how it isn't evidence...

As example, one of the things on that list was something like 'Fox news reported about isis crossing border with mexico'

Well turns out even Janet Napolitano has said that "from time to time" there is terrorist activity along the southern border and they have crossed.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/napolitano-terrorists-enter-us-mexico-time-time


So what does that mean? Padas list item about terrorists crossing the border turns out to not be evidence of anything. There is meat to this story.

IF, if FNC did some story indicating thousands of those new Toyota trucks with tens of thousands of ISIS fighters were lined up getting ready to bust into El Paso, then yes, that's a fake story.

If it was a piece on how its possibly a dangerous situation and a possibility, then absolutely its a valid story and that is a feather in my hat and not yours.

so all of the evidence padawan listed works in your favor, not his, but you refuse to point it out?

LOL

yep, that makes sense.

 

[ThickStemz]

so all of the evidence padawan listed works in your favor, not his, but you refuse to point it out?

LOL

yep, that makes sense.

I didn't say all of it. I don't know. He certainly didn't tell us. Its not my job to validate his "evidence" against my position.

I just explained to you why is list wasn't evidence. It depends on how they reported the things on his list.

Just like it isn't my job to validate your claim that FNC viewers are less informed than if they didn't watch FNC.

Again, Hitchens Razor, That which is asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence.

 

[a senile fungus]

......... When you run a 24/7 news chanel with 21 hours of live talking, it can't all be planned out before hand.

*snip*

When I said news story, I meant a prepared segment with no outside variable. Something FNC would have been 100% in control of and had time to review and vet properly and still decide to go with. ......

Hmm.

How can they ever televise something that they are "100% in control of and had time to review and vet properly" when they run a "24/7 news chanel with 21 hours of live talking" and "it can't all be planned out before hand" ?

Obviously contradictory.

It's almost as if they are an entertainment channel and not news.

Oh wait...

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2012/jun/28/news-corp-split-rupert-murdoch

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303561504577493121669861262

 

[UncleBuck]

I didn't say all of it. I don't know. He certainly didn't tell us. Its not my job to validate his "evidence" against my position.

I just explained to you why is list wasn't evidence. It depends on how they reported the things on his list.

Just like it isn't my job to validate your claim that FNC viewers are less informed than if they didn't watch FNC.

Again, Hitchens Razor, That which is asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence.

except you are refusing to even acknowledge the evidence. there have been multiple scientific studies backing this up.

you just can't talk in circles for that long without getting dizzy, falling down, reaching for the nearest penis to break your fall, sucking it furiously in the hopes of getting heroin, and getting cut off by your daddy leaving you as a timeshare telemarketer.

 

[Padawanbater2]

disregarding the nonsense above, let me point out to you how it isn't evidence...

As example, one of the things on that list was something like 'Fox news reported about isis crossing border with mexico'

Well turns out even Janet Napolitano has said that "from time to time" there is terrorist activity along the southern border and they have crossed.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/napolitano-terrorists-enter-us-mexico-time-time

So what does that mean? Padas list item about terrorists crossing the border turns out to not be evidence of anything. There is meat to this story.

IF, if FNC did some story indicating thousands of those new Toyota trucks with tens of thousands of ISIS fighters were lined up getting ready to bust into El Paso, then yes, that's a fake story.

If it was a piece on how its possibly a dangerous situation and a possibility, then absolutely its a valid story and that is a feather in my hat and not yours.

"-Fox News' reports on ISIS at the Mexican border"

-Armed veterans patrol U.S.- Mexico border in search for ISIS terrorists - FoxNews Latino
-ISIS operating base few miles from Texas border, group warns - FoxNews.com
-Report: 4 ISIS Terrorists Caught at Southern Border in 36 Hrs - FoxNews Insider

Page 18 from your .pdf;

"Checkpoints also help screen for individuals who may have ties to
terrorism. CBP reported that in fiscal year 2008, there were three
individuals encountered by the Border Patrol at southwest border
checkpoints who were identified as persons linked to terrorism. In
addition, the Border Patrol reported that in fiscal year 2008 checkpoints
encountered 530 aliens from special interest countries,22 which are
countries the Department of State has determined to represent a potential
terrorist threat to the United States."

Is Napolitano talking about ISIS (the Islamic State) or someone from one of those 22 countries the State Dept. has deemed a "terrorist threat"?

You're trying to move the goalposts yet again. I said Fox News has been falsely reporting that ISIS is at the Mexican border. Examples have been provided ^^^. Then you try to use the border patrol report as proof of that when all the report says is that these three guys they caught trying to cross the border may have come from one of 22 countries known to dabble in terrorist activities.. So how exactly does that prove Fox News right that ISIS is at the Mexican border?

 

[ThickStemz]

Hmm.

How can they ever televise something that they are "100% in control of and had time to review and vet properly" when they run a "24/7 news chanel with 21 hours of live talking" and "it can't all be planned out before hand" ?

Obviously contradictory.

It's almost as if they are an entertainment channel and not news.

Oh wait...

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2012/jun/28/news-corp-split-rupert-murdoch

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303561504577493121669861262

No its not.

They plan it in advance, and present the plan live infront of the camera. Simple enough.

FFS, you even quote me saying "it CANT all be planned out before hand."

 

[ThickStemz]

"-Fox News' reports on ISIS at the Mexican border"

-Armed veterans patrol U.S.- Mexico border in search for ISIS terrorists - FoxNews Latino
-ISIS operating base few miles from Texas border, group warns - FoxNews.com
-Report: 4 ISIS Terrorists Caught at Southern Border in 36 Hrs - FoxNews Insider

Page 18 from your .pdf;

"Checkpoints also help screen for individuals who may have ties to
terrorism. CBP reported that in fiscal year 2008, there were three
individuals encountered by the Border Patrol at southwest border
checkpoints who were identified as persons linked to terrorism. In
addition, the Border Patrol reported that in fiscal year 2008 checkpoints
encountered 530 aliens from special interest countries,22 which are
countries the Department of State has determined to represent a potential
terrorist threat to the United States."

Is Napolitano talking about ISIS (the Islamic State) or someone from one of those 22 countries the State Dept. has deemed a "terrorist threat"?

You're trying to move the goalposts yet again. I said Fox News has been falsely reporting that ISIS is at the Mexican border. Examples have been provided ^^^. Then you try to use the border patrol report as proof of that when all the report says is that these three guys they caught trying to cross the border may have come from one of 22 countries known to dabble in terrorist activities.. So how exactly does that prove Fox News right that ISIS is at the Mexican border?

If we have had years going back with terrorist activity at the border, it isn't absurd on its face to think ISIS may be doing it now since its the biggest badest most wealthy terror organization ever that has repeatedly said they want to strike America.

Again, whatever story they may present could be fake it could be real, idk.

but just saying "FNC reported on ISIS at the border" isn't on its face a fake story.


Do you not see the difference in reporting on retired US army vets searching for ISIS and reporting that ISIS is invading Texas?

If those guys were indeed patrolling the border, then it wasn't a fake story.

 

[ThickStemz]

except you are refusing to even acknowledge the evidence. there have been multiple scientific studies backing this up.

you just can't talk in circles for that long without getting dizzy, falling down, reaching for the nearest penis to break your fall, sucking it furiously in the hopes of getting heroin, and getting cut off by your daddy leaving you as a timeshare telemarketer.

So post one.

 

[Padawanbater2]

If we have had years going back with terrorist activity at the border, it isn't absurd on its face to think ISIS may be doing it now since its the biggest badest most wealthy terror organization ever that has repeatedly said they want to strike America.

Again, whatever story they may present could be fake it could be real, idk.

but just saying "FNC reported on ISIS at the border" isn't on its face a fake story.

Fox News has reported on multiple different occasions that ISIS is on the Mexican border

There has never been any evidence of ISIS on the Mexican border

That means Fox News made it up to push a political agenda

 

[UncleBuck]

So post one.

a penis?

btw, weren't you done with this thread about 20 or so posts ago?

 

[ThickStemz]

Fox News has reported on multiple different occasions that ISIS is on the Mexican border

There has never been any evidence of ISIS on the Mexican border

That means Fox News made it up to push a political agenda

Did you read any of those stories you posted?

The first was a story that retired military took it upon themselves to patrol just incase.

The second was an independent group warning they had found signs of ISIS, but that the dept of defense or Justice hasn't or wouldn't confirm.

You have a shadow of a point with the third story... A congressman was talking about a judicial report that said 4 ISIS terrorists had been caught crossing the border.

None of these were, however, a Fox News reporter saying "i came down here on my own and found all this evidence of ISIS."

Now that wasn't my criteria and you almost meet it here with your third story. But the story isn't that ISIS is at the border, the story is that a congressman is saying ISIS is at the border.

For example, when Harold Camping was saying Jesus was coming back in 2013, was the news story "Jesus comes back" or was it "Harold Camping says Jesus is coming back."

The whole thought of ISIS isn't absurd since there has been Arabic and other mid eastern writing found there, and a long record of small numbers of folks with ties to terrorists have been known to cross the border. When someone like a congressman is saying something its news worthy, it is still the news departments duty to test the validity of his claims and FNC did fall short there.

But this isn't that grave of a malfeasance on their part because it isn't absurd on its face to think ISIS might want something to do with the border.

 

[a senile fungus]

No its not.

They plan it in advance, and present the plan live infront of the camera. Simple enough.

FFS, you even quote me saying "it CANT all be planned out before hand."

Dude. Rupert Murdoch split News Corp into two seperate publicly listed companies.

" He will be president and chief executive of the media and entertainment business, which will encompass the 20th Century Fox film and TV studio, Fox network, cable channels including Fox News, and satellite TV assets including the 39.1% stake in BSkyB.

As expected the publishing company will include News International's UK newspapers, the Sun, the Times and the Sunday Times, along with the Wall Street Journal, the New York Post, Dow Jones news and financial information service, the Australian, HarperCollins book publishing operation, and News Corp's fledgling digital education business."

Did you see the part where Fox News was following the words " media and entertainment" ? There is no discussion here, this matter was settled years ago and you refuse to believe it, despite evidence to the contrary. It's almost as if you've been brainwashed...

 

[ThickStemz]

Dude. Rupert Murdoch split News Corp into two seperate publicly listed companies.

" He will be president and chief executive of the media and entertainment business, which will encompass the 20th Century Fox film and TV studio, Fox network, cable channels including Fox News, and satellite TV assets including the 39.1% stake in BSkyB.

As expected the publishing company will include News International's UK newspapers, the Sun, the Times and the Sunday Times, along with the Wall Street Journal, the New York Post, Dow Jones news and financial information service, the Australian, HarperCollins book publishing operation, and News Corp's fledgling digital education business."

Did you see the part where Fox News was following the words " media and entertainment" ? There is no discussion here, this matter was settled years ago and you refuse to believe it, despite evidence to the contrary. It's almost as if you've been brainwashed...

I see what you mean. However, I would just say that FNC has more in common with the other tv companies than it does the print news companies in the other division of the company.

Running a news paper is vastly different from running a tv cable news channel.

At no point in this thread, in case you missed it, have I said that FNC lives up to its motto fair and balanced. It has an obvious right wing bias and Murdoch has done this to capitalize on the under served conservative half of America that had no place to turn for right leaning news. Brilliant business decision.

 

[a senile fungus]

I see what you mean. However, I would just say that FNC has more in common with the other tv companies than it does the print news companies in the other division of the company.

Murdoch agrees, he sees ESPN as competition. Hence the whole splitting.of.the company and putting FNC under media and entertainment.

 

[a senile fungus]

" WHAT IS THE EVIDENCE HERE OF BAD CHARACTER?
Conduct in the U.K. includes the following:

• Top News Corp. officials, including Rupert Murdoch and Rebekah Brooks, lied before a British investigation – the Leveson Inquiry – about the source of a story run by News Corp.’s The Sun about Prime Minister Gordon Brown’s son having cystic fibrosis.
• James Murdoch lied to an inquiry conducted by a committee of the House of Commons about not having information about wiretaps before approving a large monetary settlement with the victim of the wiretaps.
• Multiple News Corp. executives and reporters have been arrested and charged with illegally intercepting voicemail messages, including the voicemail messages of a young girl, Milly Dowler, which led to the false impression she was still alive.
• Rupert Murdoch and News Corp. have promoted an environment of secrecy and lack of candor, including payments of large money settlements that include confidentiality clauses in order to keep the information from investigators and the public.
• News Corp. employees have bribed British officials, which in addition to violating British law, also may violate the U.S. Foreign Corrupt Practices Act.
• The House of Commons concluded from all this that Rupert Murdoch “is not a fit person to exercise the stewardship of a major international company.” We agree.

Conduct in the U.S. includes allegations of hacking phones of 9/11 victims and illegally gaining access to the password-protected system of a company News Corp. was trying to acquire."

http://www.citizensforethics.org/pages/faq-fcc-petition-to-deny-news-corp-fox-broadcast-renewal-rupert-murdoch

Pretty damning. All of the above would explain the split of the company.