Fox News “brainwashed” so many dads: “People are being bamboozled on a massive scale”

ThickStemz

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It was a report on Fox News, just like I said. It doesn't matter who said it, Fox reported on it and it was broadcasted to millions of people.

You have an excuse for everything
I just searched it on my phone. I said I'd look into it more in a bit.

But what I saw from searching on my phone was looks like it was something said by a guest.

Not like O'Reilly said it at the top of his show and ran 5 minutes on the 'story of Birmingham being muslim only.'

Yes a comment by a guest is not the same as a news story from an anchor.
 

Padawanbater2

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I just searched it on my phone. I said I'd look into it more in a bit.

But what I saw from searching on my phone was looks like it was something said by a guest.

Not like O'Reilly said it at the top of his show and ran 5 minutes on the 'story of Birmingham being muslim only.'

Yes a comment by a guest is not the same as a news story from an anchor.
You asked "Where are the false stories?"

I just gave you a bunch of examples of false or deceptively misleading stories reported by Fox News

Now you're trying to move the goalposts to saying that the story has to be "from the anchor", whatever the fuck that means, as if it makes any difference


There's the anchor on Fox News in a four and a half minute clip selling fear and xenophobia to the geriatric Fox News audience

Defending this type of shit when it's clear for anyone to see for themselves makes you just as bad as Fox News
 

ThickStemz

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It was a report on Fox News, just like I said. It doesn't matter who said it, Fox reported on it and it was broadcasted to millions of people.

You have an excuse for everything
Ok... I think we could agree that the NY times would not be favorable to FNC in their reporting on this muslim no go zone issue. I'm not saying they would be unfavorable or unfair... just not in the tank for FNC.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/01/19/world/europe/fox-news-apologizes-for-false-claims-of-muslim-only-areas-in-england-and-france.html?referer=&_r=0

A guest on the show said it. The host who didn't know better repeated it. It was discussed for a bit. And later FNC did what news agencies do when they get it wrong. The issued a correction and apology.

Is your position that a news station is responsible for the statements of its guests?
 

Tangerine_

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Fox news "anchors" obviously do nothing to refute the commentary by their "guest" thereby condoning it to further push their agenda. They have continually used this type of commentary to instill fear and untruths in their constant battle to divide this country and pit the American people against each other.
 

Padawanbater2

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Ok... I think we could agree that the NY times would not be favorable to FNC in their reporting on this muslim no go zone issue. I'm not saying they would be unfavorable or unfair... just not in the tank for FNC.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/01/19/world/europe/fox-news-apologizes-for-false-claims-of-muslim-only-areas-in-england-and-france.html?referer=&_r=0

A guest on the show said it. The host who didn't know better repeated it. It was discussed for a bit. And later FNC did what news agencies do when they get it wrong. The issued a correction and apology.

Is your position that a news station is responsible for the statements of its guests?
My position is that you asked "Where are the false stories?", I provided a dozen examples and now you're trying to move the goalposts

Everybody here watched you do it

And I proved using evidence that Fox News does in fact report false and/or deceptively misleading stories in order to create political opinions that suit the right-wing narrative
 

ThickStemz

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You asked "Where are the false stories?"

I just gave you a bunch of examples of false or deceptively misleading stories reported by Fox News

Now you're trying to move the goalposts to saying that the story has to be "from the anchor", whatever the fuck that means, as if it makes any difference


There's the anchor on Fox News in a four and a half minute clip selling fear and xenophobia to the geriatric Fox News audience

Defending this type of shit when it's clear for anyone to see for themselves makes you just as bad as Fox News
I'm not trying to move the goal posts. I'm trying to have an honest discussion without a gotcha moment. If we can't do that we should just stop.

If the anchor gives a prepared segment and it has information like this that is far different than being ignorant and gullible while interacting with the guest who says something. She obviously doesn't have time to do live research whIle engaging with this fellow.
 

ThickStemz

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Here is why it isn't moving the goal posts.


I stated id like tk see a false news story.

You mention the 'FNC says Birmingham is a total muslim city and no go zone for whites.'

That could be a news story. But it wasnt. Turns out it's an interview.

You tried moving the goal posts. Or rather a straw man. An interview isn't an news story. It's an interview.
 

Padawanbater2

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I'm not trying to move the goal posts. I'm trying to have an honest discussion without a gotcha moment. If we can't do that we should just stop.

If the anchor gives a prepared segment and it has information like this that is far different than being ignorant and gullible while interacting with the guest who says something. She obviously doesn't have time to do live research whIle engaging with this fellow.
I don't believe you're this stupid so I now think you're lying

How did they form the headers "on the fly" without any research? How'd they set up the interview with the guy weeks ahead of time? Why would they let somebody on their show they hadn't screened first? You think Emerson was just some guy off the street who they thought might be kinda interesting to talk to?

Fox News, the organization, purposefully had this guy come onto this show, report about these fake "Muslim-Only" zones in the UK to instill fear into American nursing homes by injecting the implication that "If they could do it here, they can do it where you live too!". As if the Muslims are taking over! Millions of people see it, then a month later they release a 15 second "apology clip" that maybe a few thousand people see and gets swept under the rug while the original fear they created permeates through pharmacies and bingo rooms throughout the nation.
 

Padawanbater2

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Here is why it isn't moving the goal posts.


I stated id like tk see a false news story.

You mention the 'FNC says Birmingham is a total muslim city and no go zone for whites.'

That could be a news story. But it wasnt. Turns out it's an interview.

You tried moving the goal posts. Or rather a straw man. An interview isn't an news story. It's an interview.
So you're saying the story about how Birmingham is a "Muslim Only" city reported on by Fox News wasn't "news"?

What constitutes what "news" is, to you? Using the traditional definition of 'news', it means literally "a report of a recent event", so explain to me why you believe the story about how Birmingham doesn't allow non-Muslims in is not "news"?
 

ThickStemz

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I don't believe you're this stupid so I now think you're lying

How did they form the headers "on the fly" without any research? How'd they set up the interview with the guy weeks ahead of time? Why would they let somebody on their show they hadn't screened first? You think Emerson was just some guy off the street who they thought might be kinda interesting to talk to?

Fox News, the organization, purposefully had this guy come onto this show, report about these fake "Muslim-Only" zones in the UK to instill fear into American nursing homes by injecting the implication that "If they could do it here, they can do it where you live too!". As if the Muslims are taking over! Millions of people see it, then a month later they release a 15 second "apology clip" that maybe a few thousand people see and gets swept under the rug while the original fear they created permeates through pharmacies and bingo rooms throughout the nation.
I'm sure they set up the interview and I'm sure they knew the topic would be islam in Europe. I don't think these things are scripted. It's possible they knew ahead of time that the Muslim only thing was going to be said. It's possible they didn't.

It's entirely possible that they had no idea what specifically this man was going to say, only general talking points. When you run a 24/7 news chanel with 21 hours of live talking, it can't all be planned out before hand.

You ask how they get the headers up. They can be up within seconds of the uttering of a phrase. All someone in a control booth need do is type, and remember that the graphics are overlay onto a delayed conversation. So the graphics can been be ahead of the people talking that way.

So you're saying the story about how Birmingham is a "Muslim Only" city reported on by Fox News wasn't "news"?

What constitutes what "news" is, to you? Using the traditional definition of 'news', it means literally "a report of a recent event", so explain to me why you believe the story about how Birmingham doesn't allow non-Muslims in is not "news"?
I'm not trying to move the goalposts here but hopefully you'd allow someone to refine their point. When I said news story, I meant a prepared segment with no outside variable. Something FNC would have been 100% in control of and had time to review and vet properly and still decide to go with. An example would be something like the Dan Rather story in the 04 election. Something they should have known was false, had total control of, and went ahead due to their zeal getting the better of any journalistic integrity.

You did provide a lot of examples. I focused on this one becuase you listed it first. I assume you lead with your best. If you think another thing better exhibits their fakeness let's discuss that becuase we can't discuss all those issues.

And keep in mind. I'm not saying FNC is a perfectly centrist objective news chanel. They have a right slant and operate that way. They chose what to discuss and what way to discuss it.

Msnbc does the same, just on the left. CNN is almost as left as msnbc. Having a slant doesn't mean it isn't news. Reporting false events as truth does. And of course, normal human error has to be taken into account.
 

Tangerine_

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So I guess MSNBC supports all the crazy shit Pat Buchanon said on their air too?
For most people "right" and "wrong" are not convertible terms dependent upon "who" says them or what party their directed at.
The Pat Buchanons, Sean Hannitys, and Bill O'Reillys do nothing to help unite the American people. They love to pull out all these hot button "issues" in an attempt to polarize us so the focus is taken off the real issues we face. After all, its easier to report on a scandal than it is to explain a difficult piece of legislation.

The point is, Fox News still amounts to blatant lies, ignorance, bigotry, and shameless racism. And, ignorance and implicit racism is still racism no matter how you slice it.
 

ThickStemz

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For most people "right" and "wrong" are not convertible terms dependent upon "who" says them or what party their directed at.
The Pat Buchanons, Sean Hannitys, and Bill O'Reillys do nothing to help unite the American people. They love to pull out all these hot button "issues" in an attempt to polarize us so the focus is taken off the real issues we face. After all, its easier to report on a scandal than it is to explain a difficult piece of legislation.

The point is, Fox News still amounts to blatant lies, ignorance, bigotry, and shameless racism. And, ignorance and implicit racism is still racism no matter how you slice it.
I was watching msnbc the night of the trump protest in Chicago that got out of hand. One could have easily formed the impression that the trump supporters lured in a bunch of innocent left leaning people and started attacking them.

I turned it to FNC and the impression was a peaceful gathering of trump fans was invaded by an organized group of liberals and mild violence broke out as the two sides clashed.
 

Tangerine_

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I was watching msnbc the night of the trump protest in Chicago that got out of hand. One could have easily formed the impression that the trump supporters lured in a bunch of innocent left leaning people and started attacking them.

I turned it to FNC and the impression was a peaceful gathering of trump fans was invaded by an organized group of liberals and mild violence broke out as the two sides clashed.
And? I'd be better served to take cooking lessons from Jeffrey Dahmer than rely on Fox News to provide me with an honest evaluation of todays news events!
 

ThickStemz

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And? I'd be better served to take cooking lessons from Jeffrey Dahmer than rely on Fox News to provide me with an honest evaluation of todays news events!
I can agree with that. Someone on this forum has said a few times recently that FNC viewers are less informed than people who watch no news at all. I'm not acknowledging that as true, not saying its a lie, but its interesting.

The thing that's different about your typical FNC viewer, or things are that they watch only that one news channel, and that its probably the only news channel that has a large segment of uneducated viewers. I think the typical uneducated conservative watches much more news than the uneducated liberal.

I don't rely on FNC. I incorporate it into my news gathering. Its obviously right wing media, most other media is center to left, so its essential to watch it to get balance of perspective to have as much information as possible. I wouldn't rely on FNC, I also could say one might be incomplete if they never watch it. There are stories there that will be covered that other media will gloss over because of agenda.
 

UncleBuck

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I'm not trying to move the goalposts here but hopefully you'd allow someone to refine their point.
lol, go ahead and try to move the goalposts.

don't even bother trying to address all the other stuff padawan pointed out either.

in fact, just go suck some dick for heroin.
 

UncleBuck

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Someone on this forum has said a few times recently that FNC viewers are less informed than people who watch no news at all. I'm not acknowledging that as true
fortunately, facts don't care of you believe them or not, bignbushy.

they remain true anyways, and you just prove your stupidity.
 

ThickStemz

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lol, go ahead and try to move the goalposts.

don't even bother trying to address all the other stuff padawan pointed out either.

in fact, just go suck some dick for heroin.
He listed quite a few things. The texas board of education thing was based off of comments made by AronRa and the Atheist Community of Austin, who are sort of famous, advocating for those issues. Ive not watched all FNC coverage of this, but there was a news worthy story there, depending on how it was reported would be the issue. I'm familiar with AronRa, he is an education advocate and I am actually on his side most of the time.

Most of this things on that list are too general to respond to. He didn't provide any of the FNC coverage to see how it was presented vs how the facts actually were.

Yes, Megyn Kelly blurted out "santa is white." Well he is. But he is made up fictional character. But the common excepted figure of Santa is an old fat white man with a big white beard. We all know that.

Some of the things on the list were opinion.

You act like it was some sort of knock out legal document, like the Pentagon Papers or the Nixon tapes.
 

UncleBuck

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He listed quite a few things. The texas board of education thing was based off of comments made by AronRa and the Atheist Community of Austin, who are sort of famous, advocating for those issues. Ive not watched all FNC coverage of this, but there was a news worthy story there, depending on how it was reported would be the issue. I'm familiar with AronRa, he is an education advocate and I am actually on his side most of the time.

Most of this things on that list are too general to respond to. He didn't provide any of the FNC coverage to see how it was presented vs how the facts actually were.

Yes, Megyn Kelly blurted out "santa is white." Well he is. But he is made up fictional character. But the common excepted figure of Santa is an old fat white man with a big white beard. We all know that.

Some of the things on the list were opinion.

You act like it was some sort of knock out legal document, like the Pentagon Papers or the Nixon tapes.
in other words, you can't refute any of it.
 
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