6-Benzylaminopurine For Cannabis?

Cpappa27

Cpappa27

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Ive read a few things on this plant hormone. Its used commercially for fruit crops to make fruits bigger, make more fruit per site and more fruit sites. Also used on multiple vegetables including tomatoes and herbs. Theres also.triacontanol I was curious if anyone has any info on this or info in using any types of hormones for cannabis
 
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mrX3m

mrX3m

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I am also looking for the answer. How to use 6 Benzylaminopurine on cannabis.Can you or someone help me ? :)
 
mrX3m

mrX3m

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Do you know how i can calculate ppm ? for example i want to make 1liter 6-bap with 150ppm but i am not sure how many grams benzylaminopurine i need to disolve in KOH ?
 
GrowerGoneWild

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Enigmatic Ways said:
I was just researching plant hormones and found out that 6 Benzylaminopurine is a cytokinin...And one of the ways I'll be adding cytokinin to my garden is by using coconut water powder.
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Source please, I have some notes on TDZ Thidazuron, being the cytokinin in coconut water powder.

My understanding of hormones, to apply directly to the tissue, Such as the case is with auxins control in tip direction are near the site of control. Or the foliar application of pacolobutrazol, application to the root zone isnt usually how those things are used from what I've observed.

I would be careful with hormones in general, there literally is a class of synthetic auxins that are used in herbicides, even more caution if you are using purified sources of hormones.
 
Enigmatic Ways

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GrowerGoneWild said:
Source please, I have some notes on TDZ Thidazuron, being the cytokinin in coconut water powder.

My understanding of hormones, to apply directly to the tissue, Such as the case is with auxins control in tip direction are near the site of control. Or the foliar application of pacolobutrazol, application to the root zone isnt usually how those things are used from what I've observed.

I would be careful with hormones in general, there literally is a class of synthetic auxins that are used in herbicides, even more caution if you are using purified sources of hormones.
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There are two types of cytokinins: adenine-type cytokinins represented by kinetin, zeatin, and 6-benzylaminopurine, and phenylurea-type cytokinins like diphenylurea and thidiazuron (TDZ) which you're referring to.

From my understanding the presence of TDZ have not been confirmed in coconut water but zeatin-O-glucoside and dihydrozeatin-O-glucoside in coconut water was confirmed by independent high-performance liquid chromatography and liquid chromatography–mass spectrometry experiments...Source http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0021967304011860
 
GrowerGoneWild

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mrX3m said:
Do you know how i can calculate ppm ? for example i want to make 1liter 6-bap with 150ppm but i am not sure how many grams benzylaminopurine i need to disolve in KOH ?
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The problem with making an aqueous solution of BAP is you have to dissolve first in KOH, Then you would have to use serial dilution to get to the correct PPM. I would question the chart posted. Just to make things easier I would shoot for 100PPM, and assume 100% BAP.

For example when I work with Kinetin, I usually use serial dilution to get to the right ppm. I'll make a NaOH, solution to dissolve the hormone, then add 1 drop of that to say 1 liter of water, then I take that solution, and only add .5 ml to liter to a liter of tissue culture solution.
 
GrowerGoneWild

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Enigmatic Ways said:
There are two types of cytokinins: adenine-type cytokinins represented by kinetin, zeatin, and 6-benzylaminopurine, and phenylurea-type cytokinins like diphenylurea and thidiazuron (TDZ) which you're referring to.

From my understanding the presence of TDZ have not been confirmed in coconut water but zeatin-O-glucoside and dihydrozeatin-O-glucoside in coconut water was confirmed by independent high-performance liquid chromatography and liquid chromatography–mass spectrometry experiments...Source http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0021967304011860
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You're prolly right, I think my margin note was to use TDZ with coconut water in a tissue culture I was working on.
 
GrowerGoneWild

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So, here's the calculation I came up with for 100PPM BAP6, (Yeah I know you said 150).. But I simplified to make it easy for me. Check my math, I'm not a computer. :)

1 Mole, of BAP 6= 225.6G
1 Mole, of H20= 18 G.

So.. a 1:1 will equal 1mole 225.6G of BAP6 + 18G water.

225.2G
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1,800,000G = 100,000 PPM of BAP6 Solution.

Since nobody is going to batch up that much solution, reduce the product mixed.

.22 G
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1,800 G water. or 1.8 liter = 100,000 PPM of BAP6.

So thats still not 100 PPM.. so take 1ml of that solution and add to 1.8 L of water. (100,00/1000 = 100)

One way of solving it..
 
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THE KONASSURE

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is this for veg or bloom or rooting clones ?

if you want more bushy plants and bigger buds triacontanol works very well

want taller plants ? GA3 works for that

want to hemi a female plant for pollen ? use loads of ga3

Looked into 6-bap a few times but never found anything conclusive and don`t really have a set up I see often enough to play around with it now days :(

I wonder if its in "plant steroids" that evaponic make ? it does have something in it that really makes plants veg hard always thought it was mostly ga3 but it could have some 6-bap in it ?
 
mrX3m

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I want to spray my plants last week wit 300 ppm 6-benzlaminopurine (6-bap ) . You guys think that i can see the different of am i too late for it to get more yield ? When is the best time to spray them and what must be ph of spray medium ? After i spray them, when is it safe time to goto in the room where plants are ? Do soemoene know the answers of those questions ? thank you .
 
GrowerGoneWild

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mrX3m said:
I want to spray my plants last week wit 300 ppm 6-benzlaminopurine (6-bap ) . You guys think that i can see the different of am i too late for it to get more yield ? When is the best time to spray them and what must be ph of spray medium ? After i spray them, when is it safe time to goto in the room where plants are ? Do soemoene know the answers of those questions ? thank you .
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Seems kind of high, where did you get the info to spray with 300 ppm of BAP?. Generally speaking hormones usually work in lower concentrations.
 
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4.5 millimolar 6bap increases shoot growth in a petri dish. I used 20 millimolar (foliar spray) on some clones with ambiguous results. I do believe I prepared it correctly. I was not trying to induce flowering but rather to increase the number of nodes before flower. I can tell you that at this concentration I didn't harm my plants.

In my next attempt I will try to dissolve first in 91% alcohol then stabilize in neem oil but we'll see how that works.
I believe there is a site called planthormones dot net that has application suggestions in ppm
 
mrX3m

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GrowerGoneWild said:
Seems kind of high, where did you get the info to spray with 300 ppm of BAP?. Generally speaking hormones usually work in lower concentrations.
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I have found it here https://www.marijuanagrowing.eu/indoor-growing/playing-with-6-benzylaminopurine-t44401.html
* 150 to 300 PPM: increase in flower size.
* 300 to 400 PPM: stem elongation was reduced.
* 1000 to 3000 PPM: will cause plant to branch out.
So you guys have no experience about this ? I have already sprayed them with 300ppm yesterday and now fingers crossed :)
 
GrowerGoneWild

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mrX3m said:
I have found it here https://www.marijuanagrowing.eu/indoor-growing/playing-with-6-benzylaminopurine-t44401.html
* 150 to 300 PPM: increase in flower size.
* 300 to 400 PPM: stem elongation was reduced.
* 1000 to 3000 PPM: will cause plant to branch out.
So you guys have no experience about this ? I have already sprayed them with 300ppm yesterday and now fingers crossed :)
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Experience with plant hormones yes.. BAP no.. Hormones tend to work better in pairs and looking at the chart you've provided, I would have started at the lower end of the dosing.

Post pics, i'm interested in your results.

I saw your post on ICMAG, those guys have alot of experience with BAP, seeing how the thread goes back to 2014. Why BAP? I would have picked other PGR's.
 
mrX3m

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I saw your post on ICMAG, those guys have alot of experience with BAP, seeing how the thread goes back to 2014. Why BAP? I would have picked other PGR's.


Because i saw this on the internet and my plants are usually like pic below and want to get them healty as bap treated plant like this pic above. I am new in pgr's and every day trying to learn new things . Which pgr do you thin is better for cannabis for healty plants and bigger yield ?
I am new menber on ICMAG and almost nothing works for me on that site.Allowed to almost nothing and still waiting for full activating.
 

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Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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triacontanol for overall vigor.
brassinoids for root growth, larger leaves, and thicker longer stems.
bap for bushiness and to stop stretching.
if you plan to use it during flower, be aware it works better with brassinoid, and it will STOP stretch, so let the plant stretch to where you want it before you use it, or you could get a midget. i'm still experimenting myself, i'm getting good results with .1 ppm brass and 50 ppm bap. i spray at week 4 or w/e you want to to stop stretching, then again a week later. i'm actually planning on a 3rd spraying in another week. i read so many conflicting things people do, conflicting amounts, schedules. i'm really kind of winging it using info from 4 or 5 different threads, including the one you're talking about on ICMAG
 
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