2016 even hotter than 2015 and 2014

UncleBuck

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robbzilla

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UncleBuck said:
no.



still no.



but that would give you a headache.



don't worry, i already paid your mother for sex.



i saw no rebuttal in there.
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Was it good/how much did you pay? I'm always curios to hear about other people's adventures in to the unkown
 
Fogdog

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robbzilla said:
It's funny how all your graphs start in the 1900's. Here are some that support my side of the argument.
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So as you can see graphs can support both sides of the argument, but really you just need to open your eyes and stop being blinded by ignorance. As you can see, there have been hotter years in the past. The problem is when you look at something with horse blinders on you end up having an intellectual blind spot, it's not your fault though you've just been listening to what you've been told
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Get the fuck out of here about "blinded by ignorance". We disagree and I'm not calling you ignorant. We don't know each other, so how can you make this claim? In fact, I relish the idea of having an intelligent discussion on this. @Bugeye opened up a great discussion with me and I was convinced by his argument that a lot of surface temperature data taken on the ocean is not as accurate as it might seem. So again, fuck about that ignorant stuff and let's talk.

Your first graph is the Pacific Decadal Oscillation Index, which is used to El Nino events for one thing. What is your point with that?

Your second graph is from a pretty suspect source, but OK, what are you trying to say here? Note that throughout that graph, data come from many different sources. By mish-mashing measurement methods, a graph was pasted together to show that earth has warmed and cooled over the past 2000 years. How this is relevant to today when the atmosphere has accumulated more CO2 over the last century than all of the centuries before? By the way, that temperature spike at the end of the graph is exactly what is predicted when CO2 is elevated compared to earlier days

Your last graph is basically a repeat of the second one.

So you claim I'm ignorant then put stuff out there as if it had meaning. If you know as much as you claim, then let's talk. I can deal with math and data pretty well. Can you?
 
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Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
Who's proving the point for whom with that graph?
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We'll see. The problem with all of this is there is so much hash out there that you have to check the source. Some of it has been refuted and retracted (especially from Spencer) yet it lives on in the Internet and people keep using it.
 
ttystikk

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Fogdog said:
We'll see. The problem with all of this is there is so much hash out there that you have to check the source. Some of it has been refuted and retracted (especially from Spencer) yet it lives on in the Internet and people keep using it.
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...which of course was the point all along, to muddy the waters for those with an agenda that doesn't square with the truth.
 
ttystikk

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Fogdog said:
Last year and the year before were hot too and not El Nino. So, do we just discard everything because nino one year?
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This winter has been shockingly unseasonably warm. If the trend continues we'll have a hot spring and a record breaking hot summer.

Since that will skew the averages, will we see the apologists deny the weather report?

Hey wait a minute. How many of you anti climate change types own stock in coal, gas or other fossil fuel bared industries?

This should be telling; if they say they own lots, there's your motive. If they say they own none, then why are they shilling for someone else's fortune at the expense of their own and their children's? Why suck Koch so hard if you don't own stock?
 
Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
...which of course was the point all along, to muddy the waters for those with an agenda that doesn't square with the truth.
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Same strategy by the same people that brought us delays in the scientific understanding of health problems with cigarettes and asbestos. Also same people that delayed action on CFC's (Freon) and are now muddying waters about second hand smoke health issues. Same "think tank" is putting out the same deceptive pseudoscienc on AGW.
 
Bugeye

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Fogdog said:
Last year and the year before were hot too and not El Nino. So, do we just discard everything because nino one year?
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No, we keep plotting the data so the good people at NOAA can stay employed reconfiguring it for us.

El Niño is the obvious reason for the significant January and February spikes.
 
Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
This winter has been shockingly unseasonably warm. If the trend continues we'll have a hot spring and a record breaking hot summer.

Since that will skew the averages, will we see the apologists deny the weather report?

Hey wait a minute. How many of you anti climate change types own stock in coal, gas or other fossil fuel bared industries?

This should be telling; if they say they own lots, there's your motive. If they say they own none, then why are they shilling for someone else's fortune at the expense of their own and their children's? Why suck Koch so hard if you don't own stock?
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Largest El Nino event on record too. Multiple sources about this. I'll cite Aljazeera just to annoy the Muslim bigots.
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/12/31/biggest-el-nino-impacts-on-us-may-be-yet-to-come-in-new-year.html
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Bugeye said:
No, we keep plotting the data so the good people at NOAA can stay employed reconfiguring it for us.

El Niño is the obvious reason for the significant January and February spikes.
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...but not for the century they occur in, which has a very clear and unmistakable trend.
 
Fogdog

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Bugeye said:
No, we keep plotting the data so the good people at NOAA can stay employed reconfiguring it for us.

El Niño is the obvious reason for the significant January and February spikes.
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this year had the largest el nino ever recorded. When data from multiple sources and multiple models indicate an approaching and avoidable calamity, how can we not pay attention to it?
 
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