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superbak3d said:
What? Tired of me proving you wrong at every turn?

Since you love OMRI labels and hate monsanto, maybe you can explain to us why you buy only OMRI certified products despite the fact monsanto lobbied them to lower their quality control standards in order to label their MG line with OMRI certified?

I would think such an anti-monsanto person such as yourself would actually avoid OMRI certified products, knowing the certification process was corrupted by monsanto themselves,
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You are using fox farm ocean forest and think its organic and pouring bottled nutrients on it, congrats on the big buds but that's not organic. Good luck to you.
 
Yodaweed said:
They do not claim to be organic how could I file anything against them...they say natural smart soil what do you not understand why are you fighting the truth so badly dude, its ok to use some synthetics I grow a plant in a hydroponics system each run , even tho the majority of my plants go in the organic soil.
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You don't get it.

You first need to start off with the term "organic". Which means LIVING. So when a fertilizer is labeled as "organic", it's because it's derived from LIVING materials.

But there's something you seem to overlook, and those are things called minerals. Minerals are not organic. They are however completely natural, not man made in a test tube, which would be synthentic.

The only reason FF doesn't label their soil as organic, is because it contains trace salt minerals (not synthetic) are present in the soil. And these minerals are there to promote nutrient uptake.

There's nothing in fox farm soil that is MAN MADE in test tube. Organic materials and natural minerals still makes it organic. Something you clearly don't understand or are simply too stupid to comprehend.
 
All i can say is pro mix with perlite, rockdust and biochar .Fertilise with mexican bat guano (tea) in veg and fertilize with indonesian/peruvian guano in flower.It doesn't do any harm to add some mykos in between pot changes.Unbeatable imo. Totally organic,simple, it kicks ass... i know this because i've grown in it and i'm so fucking baked right now ,off the produce lolbongsmilie
 
I grow all my veggies and fruits in the ground....what are
superbak3d said:
You don't get it.

You first need to start off with the term "organic". Which means LIVING. So when a fertilizer is labeled as "organic", it's because it's derived from LIVING materials.

But there's something you seem to overlook, and those are things called minerals. Minerals are not organic. They are however completely natural, not man made in a test tube, which would be synthentic.

The only reason FF doesn't label their soil as organic, is because it contains trace salt minerals (not synthetic) are present in the soil. And these minerals are there to promote nutrient uptake.

There's nothing in fox farm soil that is MAN MADE in test tube. Organic materials and natural minerals still makes it organic. Something you clearly don't understand or are simply too stupid to comprehend.
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Salt based fertilizers are the opposite of organic fertilizers, salt based force feed your plant. That is why all hydroponic nutrients are salt based. You are feeding your plants like hydroponic drain to waste, been there , done that , creates amazing buds too, you will learn one day, enjoy.
 
Yodaweed said:
I grow all my veggies and fruits in the ground....what are

Salt based fertilizers are the opposite of organic fertilizers, salt based force feed your plant. That is why all hydroponic nutrients are salt based. You are feeding your plants like hydroponic drain to waste, been there , done that , creates amazing buds too, you will learn one day, enjoy.
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They can also burn your plant to ash !
 
Yodaweed said:
I grow all my veggies and fruits in the ground....what are

Salt based fertilizers are the opposite of organic fertilizers, salt based force feed your plant. That is why all hydroponic nutrients are salt based. You are feeding your plants like hydroponic drain to waste, been there , done that , creates amazing buds too, you will learn one day, enjoy.
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The salts are all natural though. So when you grow in the ground, guess what, those minerals are there too.

This is what you don't get. The natural vs synthetic part.

Synthetic, again, is man made. Think of diamonds. There are natural diamonds, made by earth itself. And synthetic ones, made in test tubes.

Back to FF soil. Why is it NOT label as organic? Because it has minerals in it. Minerals cannot be defined as organic because they're not of living tissue.

BUT, the minerals are all natural. There's nothing synthetic about it. So while that does technically make it "not organic" by law, it also doesn't make it "synthetic" soil either.

Therefore, foxfarm soil is in fact a 100% organic and all natural mixture. There are no man made synthetics present in their soil or big bloom.
 
Yodaweed said:
I grow all my veggies and fruits in the ground....what are

Salt based fertilizers are the opposite of organic fertilizers, salt based force feed your plant. That is why all hydroponic nutrients are salt based. You are feeding your plants like hydroponic drain to waste, been there , done that , creates amazing buds too, you will learn one day, enjoy.
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dont you use azomite, glacial rock dust, ba-SALT when you make your omri certified soil?

your talking that fox farm letter out of content... only salt content they mention is silica...
organic users use silica...
thats the only reason why its not CERTIFIED...

again they have to label, urea or sewer sludge..
 
If you want to take it even further, water is a inorganic compound. Therefor, anyone who uses water isn't 100% organic.
 
Just to clear this up you do get organic and inorganic salts.Water is inorganic you would have to add dissolved carbon to make it organic however it cant burn your plants just drown them.
 
Yodaweed said:
....you really just cannot let it go, you are using synthetic soil and bottled nutrients, give it a rest bro.
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your the fucking one who can't let the shit go...you come off like your 10000 % organic and just admitted to using synthetic shit...Comon now ...you have made your point ...you dot think it's organic...some people do.... (a lot of people do)...and will continue using it with organic grows...that's not changing anytime soon...they make a pile of great products ...organic and synthetic. ...you have tried to change our minds and put all your "facts " down...so don't try to force your way into our heads...let is make the decision from here...If we don't the we don't. ...and I meen if your bent on thi being in the organic section then you have a lot more shit to write on here ...cause 1000s of ppl use it for organic grows that post here...
 
DankaDank said:
Just to clear this up you do get organic and inorganic salts.Water is inorganic you would have to add dissolved carbon to make it organic however it cant burn your plants just drown them.
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Not what I was getting at.

I was just being a dick lol. Because technically, no one grows organically because we all use water, an inorganic compound.
 
Omfg...so now ff dent make anything organic at alll...well they have the same labeling on them that u use on the organic ferts ...so then your shit isn't organic right
 
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