Should politicians be allowed to invoke god?

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ThickStemz

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Given that they represent all of their constituents and we have freedom of religion should politicians be free to talk about god and jesus and how great it all is?

To me the most nauseating thing about listening to the Republican candidates for president is their race to be the biggest Jesus lover.

I almost got solidly behind Marco Rubio yesterday when I saw he told someone they wouldn't find many answers in a Bible. I was disappointed when I found out the subtitles were fake and he didn't say that.

I think Trump is probably a nominal christian but likely atheist.

Even H. Clinton can't shut up about god. Her and Obama are almost certinlty atheists and they both run around praising god.

Should that be allowed from government officials?
 
MarijuanaMike420

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ThickStemz said:
Given that they represent all of their constituents and we have freedom of religion should politicians be free to talk about god and jesus and how great it all is?

To me the most nauseating thing about listening to the Republican candidates for president is their race to be the biggest Jesus lover.

I almost got solidly behind Marco Rubio yesterday when I saw he told someone they wouldn't find many answers in a Bible. I was disappointed when I found out the subtitles were fake and he didn't say that.

I think Trump is probably a nominal christian but likely atheist.

Even H. Clinton can't shut up about god. Her and Obama are almost certinlty atheists and they both run around praising god.

Should that be allowed from government officials?
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Why not.... it's all part of the show America pays taxes for.
 
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ThickStemz

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MarijuanaMike420 said:
Why not.... it's all part of the show America pays taxes for.
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Precisely because all our politicians evoke Christianity and not all Americans are christian.

Even the Democrats, who are so much more likely to be secular and atheist, out of their 200+ members of Congress in don't think more than one denies belief in a personal god.

Statistically this is impossible.
 
Jimdamick

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Definitely they should present their spirituality and connection with God for the world to see.. It just helps to make it easier, for your average, dumb as fuck American voter to understand that such a person is a lying sack of shit, or a complete fool, or both. Let's say for instance that they believe that a man named Jesus Christ was the male offspring of the Creator of The Universe, aka God (except for Bernie, he's still waiting for his Messiah). If they were truly devoted to the teachings of Jesus and the New Testament, they could not support the death penalty for instance. They, the Republican candidates for President, would vote to increase contributions to Medicaid, not defund it, if they believed in Christ They would support Universal Healthcare, not do everything in their power to eradicate it, if they believed in Christ. They would not have ELIMINATED Head Start, a educational aid program for low income students, if they believed in fucking Jesus Christ
Yea, I like to see them blather about their connection with God. It just re-enforces my belief there is none
 
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ThickStemz

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I agree with you Jim. The false homage politicians have go pay to the imaginary dictator of the universe is disgusting. But it isn't just republican candidates. Hillary Clinton won't stop talking about god either.

I'm not as hard on them for their policy discrepancy with the Bible. For helping the poor to be a moral good it has to come from free and volunteer giving. Not forced compliance with the tax code. The only redeeming thing about religion is the roll it's taken for itself to help the poor. There are ministries doing worthwhile things all across the country.

I think the reason the fight it so hard for public policy is that they get to prosletize while doing their good works. But I don't think they refuse help for religious reasons, at least not the vast majority of the time. I'm sure there are instances of it.
 
NLXSK1

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ThickStemz said:
Given that they represent all of their constituents and we have freedom of religion should politicians be free to talk about god and jesus and how great it all is?

To me the most nauseating thing about listening to the Republican candidates for president is their race to be the biggest Jesus lover.

I almost got solidly behind Marco Rubio yesterday when I saw he told someone they wouldn't find many answers in a Bible. I was disappointed when I found out the subtitles were fake and he didn't say that.

I think Trump is probably a nominal christian but likely atheist.

Even H. Clinton can't shut up about god. Her and Obama are almost certinlty atheists and they both run around praising god.

Should that be allowed from government officials?
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Nobody promised you freedom from religion... LOL!!!
 
UncleBuck

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ThickStemz said:
Given that they represent all of their constituents and we have freedom of religion should politicians be free to talk about god and jesus and how great it all is?

To me the most nauseating thing about listening to the Republican candidates for president is their race to be the biggest Jesus lover.

I almost got solidly behind Marco Rubio yesterday when I saw he told someone they wouldn't find many answers in a Bible. I was disappointed when I found out the subtitles were fake and he didn't say that.

I think Trump is probably a nominal christian but likely atheist.

Even H. Clinton can't shut up about god. Her and Obama are almost certinlty atheists and they both run around praising god.

Should that be allowed from government officials?
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OP is a holocaust denier.

ThickStemz said:
It's funny you mention that. I saw something one time from the late 40s. It was in my grandfather's things. It estimated about 1.4 million Jewish victims of the holocaust.

I don't have anything against the jews.
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ThickStemz

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UncleBuck said:
OP is a holocaust denier.
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I love how you only quote part of a post to shape the context.

Even in this one area where it looks like we probably agree more than disagree you just seek disagreement don't you?

My only point in that is we have no idea how many jews were killed. That was such a turbulent time, it was prior to keeping very good population records in many countries.

We know now well over 1.4 million jews were killed, my only point is that saying 6 million is an educated guess.

Is it really any less horrific if they killed 4.7 million jews? Would it be more horrific I'd they killed 7.6 million?
 
RickyBobby26

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ThickStemz said:
Given that they represent all of their constituents and we have freedom of religion should politicians be free to talk about god and jesus and how great it all is?

To me the most nauseating thing about listening to the Republican candidates for president is their race to be the biggest Jesus lover.

I almost got solidly behind Marco Rubio yesterday when I saw he told someone they wouldn't find many answers in a Bible. I was disappointed when I found out the subtitles were fake and he didn't say that.

I think Trump is probably a nominal christian but likely atheist.

Even H. Clinton can't shut up about god. Her and Obama are almost certinlty atheists and they both run around praising god.

Should that be allowed from government officials?
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I believe polls show that an atheist would have a slim-to-no chance of being elected president. That impresses candidates for sure. On both sides.
 
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ThickStemz

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UncleBuck said:
actually, we do. and only holocaust deniers like yourself seem to have a problem with that.
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I'm equally open to the idea it's over 6 million. I've looked into this. Its based on census estimates from 1933 to 1950, there simply isn't no way to know for sure.
 
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ThickStemz

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RickyBobby26 said:
I believe polls show that an atheist would have a slim-to-no chance of being elected president. That impresses candidates for sure. On both sides.
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I know, it's sad isn't it? So what has this zealous nation brought for itself? A government full of people lying about their religion to appease them.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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ThickStemz said:
Freedom of religion is meaningless without freedom from religion.
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The bill of rights is a list of protections from the government, not protections from citizens.

The government cannot support one religion over another but it was never intended as a complete ban on religion. Look at our currency for example.
 
Padawanbater2

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ThickStemz said:
Given that they represent all of their constituents and we have freedom of religion should politicians be free to talk about god and jesus and how great it all is?

To me the most nauseating thing about listening to the Republican candidates for president is their race to be the biggest Jesus lover.

I almost got solidly behind Marco Rubio yesterday when I saw he told someone they wouldn't find many answers in a Bible. I was disappointed when I found out the subtitles were fake and he didn't say that.

I think Trump is probably a nominal christian but likely atheist.

Even H. Clinton can't shut up about god. Her and Obama are almost certinlty atheists and they both run around praising god.

Should that be allowed from government officials?
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Should they be allowed? Of course
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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NLXSK1 said:
The bill of rights is a list of protections from the government, not protections from citizens.

The government cannot support one religion over another but it was never intended as a complete ban on religion. Look at our currency for example.
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"Should politicians be allowed to invoke god?"

"In God We Trust" was added to the currency as a response to the Cold War. Plaques of the 10 commandments at state houses, swearing on a bible in court, "Under God" in the pledge, etc.. are all government endorsements of Christianity which is unconstitutional.
 
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